Jim856796 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 How come there is no speculation of New York City hosting the Pan American Games? The city is the largest in the United States and it already failed an Olympic bid. What about Los Angeles's hosting of the Games? They already hosted the Olympic Games twice (the first was hosted before the establishment of the Pan-Am Games). They have enough sporting venues, why not let those two cities host the Pan Ams for once. Chicago already hosted the games in 1959. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 How come there is no speculation of New York City hosting the Pan American Games? The city is the largest in the United States and it already failed an Olympic bid. What about Los Angeles's hosting of the Games? They already hosted the Olympic Games twice (the first was hosted before the establishment of the Pan-Am Games). They have enough sporting venues, why not let those two cities host the Pan Ams for once. Chicago already hosted the games in 1959. NYC. Does not want the PanAms they think they are too good for that, nd that they deserve the Olympics.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 New York hosted the Goodwill Games in 1994. That should suffice for them for the time being. Besides, the Pan Am's should really be reserved for the silly U.S. cities that think they can host the Olympics (i.e. Tulsa, Birmingham, Cincinnatti, Minneapolis, Tampa, etc, etc. & save the Big Boy U.S. cities for the Real Thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 New York hosted the Goodwill Games in 1994. That should suffice for them for the time being. Besides, the Pan Am's should really be reserved for the silly U.S. cities that think they can host the Olympics (i.e. Tulsa, Birmingham, Cincinnatti, Minneapolis, Tampa, etc, etc. & save the Big Boy U.S. cities for the Real Thing. I don't think Minneapolis should be getting it either, there are better cities.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 The Pan-Ams are the right size and profile for a city like Minneapolis. It is essentially "the Winnipeg of America", and Winnipeg hosted two Pan-Ams. Actually, it is bigger and better equipped than Winnipeg. I'd leave the Summer Olympics to cities like Chicago, NYC, SF, LA, and possibly Boston, the Winter Olympics for places like Salt Lake, Denver, Reno/Tahoe, Anchorage and again possibly Boston or Seattle. For the Pan-Ams, this is the chance for Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Detroit, San Diego, Charlotte, or Pittsburgh to shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 The Pan-Ams are the right size and profile for a city like Minneapolis. It is essentially "the Winnipeg of America", and Winnipeg hosted two Pan-Ams. Actually, it is bigger and better equipped than Winnipeg.I'd leave the Summer Olympics to cities like Chicago, NYC, SF, LA, and possibly Boston, the Winter Olympics for places like Salt Lake, Denver, Reno/Tahoe, Anchorage and again possibly Boston or Seattle. For the Pan-Ams, this is the chance for Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Detroit, San Diego, Charlotte, or Pittsburgh to shine. nahh boston is no good for winter olympics, it's damn cold and snowy but we have no big mountains here. Mountaneous states abova Mass. Are new Hampshire and Vermont but i don't think they are capable of hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Yeah, but Boston can be used as the "anchor" making NH host the Alpine events, ala Turin '06, Vancouver '10 & Munich '18 bid. Now, the question is, would anything in NH meet the requirements from the relative international winter sports federations. And VT would be too far from Boston, so that wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Yeah, but Boston can be used as the "anchor" making NH host the Alpine events, ala Turin '06, Vancouver '10 & Munich '18 bid. Now, the question is, would anything in NH meet the requirements from the relative international winter sports federations. And VT would be too far from Boston, so that wouldn't work. There is mountains that do meet requirements but they are 2 to 3 hours away from Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 That would definitely scratch off Boston as a Winter candidate then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 That would definitely scratch off Boston as a Winter candidate then. there's actually one 1 hour away from Boston in Princeton Ma it's actually pretty big. Wachussett Mountain is the biggest in Greater Boston, was there 2 winters ago nd took me like half hour snowboarding from peak to bottom, But in new England region no Ma mountain is among the 100 highest, NH dominates all. But do agree that Boston should be the anchor city if New England dreams of getting The games, the other capitals aren't good enough. Same situation for a summer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluz Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 If Rio wins the 2016 Olympics the level of the cities looking to host the PanAm Games should increase. PanAm Games are not as big and important as the SOG, but hosting it serves as a pilot Olympic organization and would leave a legacy as well as test potential venues. The EC report was really positive about the experience gained by hosting the PanAm in 2007. There were positive remarks about the organization committee team being kept and the quality of the venues. Toronto is already following those steps. So, if this model proves valid, I would expect some important cities in the US to be bidding for future PanAm Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie4040 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Honolulu or Austin, TX would be Premium bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roux Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I'd love to see Atlanta place a bid. We have a rapidly increasing Latino population, which I think would be very enthusiastic for the PanAm games. Many facilities already exsist that can accomodate the games, and we're continuing to improve infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I'd love to see Atlanta place a bid. We have a rapidly increasing Latino population, which I think would be very enthusiastic for the PanAm games. Many facilities already exsist that can accomodate the games, and we're continuing to improve infrastructure. But what major T&F stadium would Atlanta have? And Atlanta's power structure is still inner-city black and suburban white. The Latinos of the Atlanta area are still the underclass..in no position to really run and control something Latino like a PanAm Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Honolulu 2019 would be just amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would support that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic USA Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 That would definitely scratch off Boston as a Winter candidate then. What about a bid from Burlington, VT? It's much closer to the ski resorts of Vermont and I think it's large enough to pull of a WOG and the University of Vermont being there would be an added bonus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 If Rio wins the 2016 Olympics the level of the cities looking to host the PanAm Games should increase. PanAm Games are not as big and important as the SOG, but hosting it serves as a pilot Olympic organization and would leave a legacy as well as test potential venues.The EC report was really positive about the experience gained by hosting the PanAm in 2007. There were positive remarks about the organization committee team being kept and the quality of the venues. Toronto is already following those steps. So, if this model proves valid, I would expect some important cities in the US to be bidding for future PanAm Games. This is also valid to Commonwealth Games and Asian Games... More cities will want to show previous multi sports events as test for Olympic Bids... Rio started a way of bidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceNarcissus Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I mostly agree with baron. The USOC sees the pan-ams as a small fish fry and don't want much to do with them at all. It's basically treated as a training ground for young American C teams (not even B teams in most cases). However at some point they could suck it up and attempt a bid. Even Seattle with it's traffic issues would be a decent pan-am city. But the problem is how would hosting the pan-ams bolster a potential Olympic bid's vision amongst the IOC? It's not like Brazil's work with Rio: the US already has the clear capabilities in place and hosting a smaller event that is dwarfed by many other events that have already happened there doesn't do much to prove anything. It would only be worth it if an unlikelier city (not LA, Chicago, or NY) used it as a mobilization vehicle towards the OGs to demonstrate it's abilities despite not being a major economic centre. I'm confident that the IOC would respond better to an American 'underdog' city. They might see it as having good local spirit, little opposition, and having a municipal government that isn't too much of a bureaucratic tangle to deal with. Not only that, but a smaller city would have much more humbling bid leaders instead of high-and-mighty power figures that come along with the largest three cities. The IOC is tired of the bombastic show of political might by everybody in the past few elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 This is also valid to Commonwealth Games and Asian Games... More cities will want to show previous multi sports events as test for Olympic Bids...Rio started a way of bidding. I tend to agree Danny in regards to more emerging economies bidding because of Rio 2016. The way people from up north talked about the Staging of the 2007 Pan am Games in Rio being spotty you would think Rio was gone in the first round. The problems Rio 2007 had the 2016 bid seemed to ID . A key Sports Admin in the Americas does not like the Rio was awarded based on what he experienced in 2007 but at some point the mountain has to be climbed. Rio I am sure will be positive and memorable . Now how do we get the half naked women from Carnival into the opening ceremonies with a Family electronic blocked version on one channel and a Adult Pay for view for the adults LOL ? Jim jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I mostly agree with baron. The USOC sees the pan-ams as a small fish fry and don't want much to do with them at all. It's basically treated as a training ground for young American C teams (not even B teams in most cases). However at some point they could suck it up and attempt a bid. Even Seattle with it's traffic issues would be a decent pan-am city.But the problem is how would hosting the pan-ams bolster a potential Olympic bid's vision amongst the IOC? It's not like Brazil's work with Rio: the US already has the clear capabilities in place and hosting a smaller event that is dwarfed by many other events that have already happened there doesn't do much to prove anything. It would only be worth it if an unlikelier city (not LA, Chicago, or NY) used it as a mobilization vehicle towards the OGs to demonstrate it's abilities despite not being a major economic centre. I'm confident that the IOC would respond better to an American 'underdog' city. They might see it as having good local spirit, little opposition, and having a municipal government that isn't too much of a bureaucratic tangle to deal with. Not only that, but a smaller city would have much more humbling bid leaders instead of high-and-mighty power figures that come along with the largest three cities. The IOC is tired of the bombastic show of political might by everybody in the past few elections. Well thought out post on the place of the Pan Am games in the US. The problem for Summer olympics bids for America seems to be having legacy that will appeal to voters. Many of the Voters are connected to International sports federations . Rio is on a project course similar to Seoul had in the late 1970's and early 1980s. Asian Games Followed by Summer Olympics. America it is a we are the biggest on the block and we don't really need the olympics to boost our country's standing in the World. It gets more basic to a city level . Atlanta I certainly would have put in a case of underdog city. Seattle for a Pan Ams and then SOGs would make sense. Who knows San Diego ? Jim jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Who knows San Diego ? San Diego is a nice, Naval base-retirement town. It doesn't have the economic base for an Olympics and other than a Superbowl, I don't believe they have such high aspirations as the Big 4. They'd be happy to get a spot on a 2022 WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 What about a bid from Burlington, VT? It's much closer to the ski resorts of Vermont and I think it's large enough to pull of a WOG and the University of Vermont being there would be an added bonus! That actually sounds exciting. It might be too small still. Although, we have Annecy & Pyeongchang bidding for 2018, we'll just have to wait & see how they do against their much bigger competitor, Munich. And that would give the Northeast (& New England) a new region for the Games. Another thing though, how would the people of VT welcome such an endeavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic USA Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 That actually sounds exciting. It might be too small still. Although, we have Annecy & Pyeongchang bidding for 2018, we'll just have to wait & see how they do against their much bigger competitor, Munich. And that would give the Northeast (& New England) a new region for the Games. Another thing though, how would the people of VT welcome such an endeavor. That is true, if the IOC moves away from the Annecy's or Pyeongchang type cities it would be a hard sell. However, because of Burlington's position in being the largest city in Vermont I think it has more amentities for a city it's size - plus with the University of Vermont you would have a legacy for sporting venues to be used by the University. As for Vermont itself - I honestly don't know too much about it, but by going through word of mouth the people of Vermonet are known to be very friendly, proud of their state, and very liberal. From an Olympic spirit point of view I think they would be open to the idea of hosting a WOG but it would need to be a very environmentally friendly games. It could also boost tourism even further for such a small state in terms of population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Are there 800m drop mountains close to Burlington? (I mean I like Vermont and NE in the fall...but first, the area in question must be able to pass the technical test of having developed ski runs with an 800m drop nearby. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Rio started a way of bidding. Well, Danny, it's NOTHING new. Rio was just the latest one to have been successful with a regionals that happened so recently. Many bidding cities in the past include all the multi-nation, multi-sport tournaments that they have hosted whether they be PanAms, Asians, All-Africa, Commonwealths, the Gay Games, the Sad Games, a World Cup, an Expo...or what have you...on their CVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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