LA84 6 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 P.S. - did you know that on a per-capita basis, the Aussies came in ahead of GB, China AND the U.S.? Congrats! Link to post Share on other sites
krow 562 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 If one may see things in perspective, the US's 110 medal haul was only 10 more than China's 100. However, China's 51 Gold medals was streaks ahead of the US' 36. If it were to be considered a tie, China should be winning only 77.6 total medals, which it obviously outperformed. i said the edge goes to china. i did not downplay their magnificent accomplishment. however, they still LOST in total number of medals won. lost lost lost. even with a hometown crowd and all those easy qualifies. lost. it could have been 101 to 100, they still lost. get over it. americans got over losing in the golds. nobody's even talking about the olympics anymore. it's all about the DNC and fall tv. Link to post Share on other sites
huaiwei 9 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Actually, if you would look back before posting, you would see that we in the US are not the ones trying to "adjust" the medal totals. They are what they are. We have always counted them one way - others another. Also we are not the ones whining about it - but if it makes you feel better, go ahead. I read in an article that the Americans first used that ranking system during the cold war, when both the USSR and East Germany had more gold medals than the US. So the US media responded by ranking via total medals, which puts the US ahead of East Germany. If this statement is indeed true, there goes the long repeated argument that "We (the US) have always counted them one way". Link to post Share on other sites
huaiwei 9 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 i said the edge goes to china. i did not downplay their magnificent accomplishment. however, they still LOST in total number of medals won. lost lost lost. even with a hometown crowd and all those easy qualifies. lost. it could have been 101 to 100, they still lost. get over it. americans got over losing in the golds. Geez....I realised I may not be talking to an informed adult. There has been numerous reports that hometown advantage are not always a plus point. Several Chinese athletes has cracked under the intense domestic pressure, the most famous being of course Liu Xiang. It would appear that the Chinese athletes face far greater pressure than, say, the Greeks do in Athens 2004. Second, define "easy qualifies". China may be awarded a slot each in all events as the host country, but it still required every single one of them to meet the same qualification standard for other athletes. When we start seeing Chinese suddenly appearing frequently in the finals of the athletic and swimming events from out of the blue with sub-par personal bests, then your assumption may have some credit. Clearly, it has not. Link to post Share on other sites
krow 562 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Second, define "easy qualifies". China may be awarded a slot each in all events as the host country, but it still required every single one of them to meet the same qualification standard for other athletes. When we start seeing Chinese suddenly appearing frequently in the finals of the athletic and swimming events from out of the blue with sub-par personal bests, then your assumption may have some credit. Clearly, it has not. they still had a clear advantage which the US did not. whether or not they capitalized on it--clearly you don't think they did--is irrelevant. even with this advantage they still couldn't win the most medals. but it doesn't even really matter. few people care. so china won the most golds at home. good for them, no one's trying to take that away from them (apart, perhaps in gymnastics). every country deserves a moment like that, and even americans realize that. we don't think of china as some big, bad scary threat that we need to prove our superiority to every chance we get. i mean, without them where would we get all our poorly made electronics & plastic goods from? but let's see how they do though next time without all these variables. Link to post Share on other sites
micheal_warren 206 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 P.S. - did you know that on a per-capita basis, the Aussies came in ahead of GB, China AND the U.S.? Congrats! so did new zealand lol Link to post Share on other sites
LA84 6 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 but it doesn't even really matter. few people care. so china won the most golds at home. good for them, no one's trying to take that away from them (apart, perhaps in gymnastics). every country deserves a moment like that, and even americans realize that. we don't think of china as some big, bad scary threat that we need to prove our superiority to every chance we get. i mean, without them where would we get all our poorly made electronics & plastic goods from?but let's see how they do though next time without all these variables. ^^^ Another of the best quotes of the games. Thank you - you have been a wonderful audience but I am now bored with this topic. Link to post Share on other sites
LA84 6 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 so did new zealand lol Your right! I missed that - sorry Congrats NZ! YOU are one of the biggest medal winners! Link to post Share on other sites
NY20?? 98 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 There has been numerous reports that hometown advantage are not always a plus point. Several Chinese athletes has cracked under the intense domestic pressure, the most famous being of course Liu Xiang. It would appear that the Chinese athletes face far greater pressure than, say, the Greeks do in Athens 2004. Mind you, Liu Xiang couldn't compete because of injury. A good example would be Shooter, Du Li. She was expected to defend her title / win China's first Gold / win the first Gold of the Beijing Games, but finished in like 5th place (though she did go on two win in a later event). Link to post Share on other sites
krow 562 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Mind you, Liu Xiang couldn't compete because of injury. A good example would be Shooter, Du Li. She was expected to defend her title / win China's first Gold / win the first Gold of the Beijing Games, but finished in like 5th place (though she did go on two win in a later event). or the diver who at the last possible moment blew his lead and let the aussie take the gold. Link to post Share on other sites
huaiwei 9 Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Mind you, Liu Xiang couldn't compete because of injury. True....but an athlete in normal circumstances would not choose to go out there despite being obviously injured prior to the event. The intense pressure may even be attributed to his recent injuries. Link to post Share on other sites
savas 46 Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Well maybe Greece isnt in the top10 but they are in the 20 first countries. A fantastic performance buy the hellenic paralympic team and they surely deserve big respect as all athletes of the paralympics! Link to post Share on other sites
micheal_warren 206 Posted September 16, 2008 Report Share Posted September 16, 2008 New Zealand are not doing to bad with 12 medals so far... China are bloody miles ahead Link to post Share on other sites
NYCD 2012 3 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Singapore has really done well this year. This is the first time Singapore won medals in the Paralympics. We sent 5 paralympics and we've got 4 medals ! One Gold, One Silver and Two Bronze. Link to post Share on other sites
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