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Well that's settled...NZOC has said the chances of Auckland hosting the OSGs are almost nil this side of 2060...London has simply proved that a nations population needs to be above 10million to sustain the heavy burden of cost. It would be fesable to host another full sized Commonwealth Games or even the World Track& Field Champs. But the OSGs are just too gargantuan for NZ.

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Maybe New Zealand can host a Summer Youth Olympics, but not an Olympics.

SO YOU KEEP SAYING...And we already know that! Walk away now!

I've always loved this photo of Queenstown I think that above link included stuff from the Queenstown winter festival I'm not really a booster for Queenstown as a winter Olympic host, but certa

Simple. 4 million taxed with a 1,000 dollar "Olympic" tax over 7 years equals to 28 billion dollareedoos! :P

More than what you need if you consider a max of 10 billion in overall costs (not including sponsorships and TV rights).

Then you give back the 18 billion not spent to the public. They'll think it's some sort of stimulus! 4,500 bucks each, woot! :P

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I think it is a little erroneous to use London costs

1) Building in a 2,000 year old city is always going to add costs to any construction both in terms of sites, and built new transportation links to reach those sites - tunnels are more expensive than overland links as a rule

2) The London Olympic Park had to be expensively cleaned up before the first brick was laid. This might not be necessarily true of Auckland

3) Security costs went through the roof both because of size of population, location and political postion of the UK government. It is far easier to restrict entry into NZ, and therefore far easier to police the games at a substantially reduced cost.

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This is from last year, but it gives a pretty good idea of New Zealand's beliefs and attitudes re a winter games:

New Zealand Winter Olympics bid 'ambitious'

A mystery group is pushing for a South Island bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics.

The group, New Zealand 2022 Winter Olympic Bid, has created a website, Facebook page, logo and two-minute promotional video.

Talk about a joint Christchurch-Queenstown bid for the first southern hemisphere Winter Games has grown after suggestions of a clash between the 2022 Fifa World Cup and the Winter Olympics.

However, International Olympic Committee (IOC) president Jacques Rogge said there were no plans to move the Games date.

The group, which could not be contacted, is also associated with a Brisbane bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics.

Christchurch skiing identity Anton Coberger said New Zealand as host was "laughably improbable", while the New Zealand Olympic Committee said such a plan would be "ambitious in the extreme".

In 1998, a bid for the 2006 Winter Olympics by Christchurch businessman Bruce Ullrich, a former Olympic and Commonwealth Games administrator, was aborted.

Other sites believed to be considering a 2022 Games bid include Harbin in China, Munich in Germany, Lillehammer in Norway, Barcelona and Zaragoza in Spain, Toulouse in France and Quebec in Canada.

The winner will be announced in 2015.

New Zealand Olympic Committee secretary-general Barry Maister said those who had been to a Winter Olympics realised it was an "enormous undertaking".

He was "blown away" by the logistics involved with the 2002 Salt Lake City Games.

"I took a look at the infrastructure and thought, `This is way beyond us'," Maister said.

"I admire people with passion and vision, and people who want to make things happen, but my initial take is that a Winter Olympics Games for New Zealand is ambitious in the extreme."

Ullrich's aim was a "no-frills Games" in 2006, where competitors would be housed at Lincoln University, with some in "a sub-village" in the Wanaka area, close to skiing venues.

Coberger said Queenstown's 2009 Winter Games, one of the largest snow events outside the Olympics, was "just do-able".

The step up to a Winter Olympics was too large, he said.

"We'll just manage to run the Rugby World Cup, for which we really only have to build a few big stadiums."

"For a Winter Olympic Games you need specialised tracks, all of which need synthetic snow made now."

NZSki chief executive James Coddington, who attended last year's Vancouver Olympics, said it was an "ambitious" concept, but doubted it was feasible.

"It makes perfect sense, if we had the facilities to deliver such an event," he said.

"Just hosting the media alone would tie up most of the Christchurch accommodation, let alone the athletes and support crew," he said.

Vancouver's Whistler ski area spent more than C$80 million (NZ$105m) developing a bobsleigh track.

"You've got a whole host of different events which we just don't currently have the facilities for," he said.

Maister said the cost would be "phenomenal", even just to make a bid.

"It's on a different scale to anything we do here, and we're a little country.

"I'm trying not to be sceptical here, but I just think, realistically, we're a long way from it."

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Before or after the successful Rugby World Cup 2011?

A bid centred on Christchurch using Mt Hutt and Porter Heights and some of the new stadia/arenas being constructed would not be exceptionally taxing.

The idea of using Wanaka/Queenstown is - they are simply not big enough especially as the only possible location with the required vertical is Treble Cone in vertical and it would take a massive undertaking to get that access road ready for any event.

Mt Hutt is far easier to develop as is Porter Heights.

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Since we are seeing some "out there" but welcomed future bid cities being mentioned, I thought I would resurrect this discussion especially now that NZ does have a better sense of direction having made it through the GFC with relative ease.

Future events are in Government discussion now, including another CWGs, but as Michael Warren is about to launch his Phd on the relationship of the nation and the Olympics, we will truly be able to get a handle on a future bid if it can work.

I have always wanted an OSG in 2040 as part of the nation's 200 anniversary.

Auckland has and always will be the only city that could host them, and this city, amongst all it's moaning is transforming its self with new infrastructure and a massive doubling in size of the airport.

Now just to sort out it's stadiums and the siting of the fabled Stadium of NZ which oh so close came to being a decade ago.

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Since we are seeing some "out there" but welcomed future bid cities being mentioned, I thought I would resurrect this discussion especially now that NZ does have a better sense of direction having made it through the GFC with relative ease.

Future events are in Government discussion now, including another CWGs, but as Michael Warren is about to launch his Phd on the relationship of the nation and the Olympics, we will truly be able to get a handle on a future bid if it can work.

I have always wanted an OSG in 2040 as part of the nation's 200 anniversary.

Auckland has and always will be the only city that could host them, and this city, amongst all it's moaning is transforming its self with new infrastructure and a massive doubling in size of the airport.

Now just to sort out it's stadiums and the siting of the fabled Stadium of NZ which oh so close came to being a decade ago.

New Zealand is too small for the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games the only way that New Zealand will the Olympics rings there is by hosting the Youth Summer Games in Auckland and an Winter Olympics and Paralympics Games with Christchurch - Queenstown New Zealand. Auckland does not have an chance beating Perth or Brisbane as the next host of the Summer Olympics and Paralympics in the Oceania region.

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New Zealand is too small for the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games the only way that New Zealand will the Olympics rings there is by hosting the Youth Summer Games in Auckland and an Winter Olympics and Paralympics Games with Christchurch - Queenstown New Zealand. Auckland does not have an chance beating Perth or Brisbane as the next host of the Summer Olympics and Paralympics in the Oceania region.

Perth? Are they thinking of bidding for the games? Cant see them getting it.

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Auckland is too small for SoG and New Zealand for WoG is impossible... The next SoG in Oceania will be in Melbourne or Sydney... I don't know if is it possible to have a bid with Brisbane and Gold coast together.... But Brisbane or Gold coast alone is impossible...

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Perth? Are they thinking of bidding for the games? Cant see them getting it.

Perth is planning to bid for the World Championships in Athletes in 2021 with the support from Athletics Australia and already hosted the World Aquatics Championships two times in the 1990s, 1987 Americas Cup, 2011 Sailing World Championships and CHOGM, 1962 Commonwealth Games and many of the Red Bull Air races, I would not rule out Perth at all for an Olympics Games ruling Perth out is foolish when you look at what is going on in Perth right now and Perth sporting Resume.

Perth is also home to the worlds greatest tennis player Rev Dr Margaret Smith Court and Perth host the yearly Hopman Cup and one of the biggest yearly fireworks shows in the world the Australia Day Fireworks.

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Perth is planning to bid for the World Championships in Athletes in 2021 with the support from Athletics Australia and already hosted the World Aquatics Championships two times in the 1990s, 1987 Americas Cup, 2011 Sailing World Championships and CHOGM, 1962 Commonwealth Games and many of the Red Bull Air races, I would not rule out Perth at all for an Olympics Games ruling Perth out is foolish when you look at what is going on in Perth right now and Perth sporting Resume.

Perth is also home to the worlds greatest tennis player Rev Dr Margaret Smith Court and Perth host the yearly Hopman Cup and one of the biggest yearly fireworks shows in the world the Australia Day Fireworks.

...yeah I don't think that last sentence counts for anything, and apart from the Red Bull races, Auckland has a similar resume, adding in the Masters Games in 2017, FifaU20 WC next year...and a larger population.

Going by current statistics, shows Auckland's population just over 2.2 million in 2030.

New Zealand has looked at the Youth Olympics and contemplating over the benefits to costs ratio...That's where you make the decision to go for it...or not. There probably will be another CWGs within 20 years and another Rugby WC, but as a nation, the focus I'm trying to lean towards is a keystone event for 2040.

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I think a 2040 event would be excellent. I take your point about Perth, but still think there are other Australian cities that will be in the running before Perth to host the games.

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Why not WOG? I guess NZL is one of the few countries inthe Southern Hemisphere that can host them. (they have won medals in past WOGs which is a big plus in contrast with any of our South American buddies) But SOG seems quite a long shot, perhaps in the 40s-50s.

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...yeah I don't think that last sentence counts for anything, and apart from the Red Bull races, Auckland has a similar resume, adding in the Masters Games in 2017, FifaU20 WC next year...and a larger population.

Going by current statistics, shows Auckland's population just over 2.2 million in 2030.

New Zealand has looked at the Youth Olympics and contemplating over the benefits to costs ratio...That's where you make the decision to go for it...or not. There probably will be another CWGs within 20 years and another Rugby WC, but as a nation, the focus I'm trying to lean towards is a keystone event for 2040.

Perth Western Australia is the 3rd fastest growing city in the develop world Perth has now 1.9 million people and it will be around 3.8 million people by 2036, Western Australia is very muck like Alberta of Canada the true superpower state of Australia, Perth is growing allot faster then Auckland is.

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Perth Western Australia is the 3rd fastest growing city in the develop world Perth has now 1.9 million people and it will be around 3.8 million people by 2036, Western Australia is very muck like Alberta of Canada the true superpower state of Australia, Perth is growing allot faster then Auckland is.

And if Perth grew to 3.8 million people, where would that rank them world-wide? Let alone by 2036.

Growth is a function of a city's starting point. If a city's population is small to begin with, any amount of growth is just going to catch up with other cities out there. I get that there's an element of that where a growing city might be well-suited for an Olympics, but if 1 city is already bigger than another, chances are it's going to stay that way.

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New Zealand is too small for the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games the only way that New Zealand will the Olympics rings there is by hosting the Youth Summer Games in Auckland and an Winter Olympics and Paralympics Games with Christchurch - Queenstown New Zealand. Auckland does not have an chance beating Perth or Brisbane as the next host of the Summer Olympics and Paralympics in the Oceania region.

You made me laugh so hard with this one I think I broke my spine.

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Perth Western Australia is the 3rd fastest growing city in the develop world Perth has now 1.9 million people and it will be around 3.8 million people by 2036, Western Australia is very muck like Alberta of Canada the true superpower state of Australia, Perth is growing allot faster then Auckland is.

Perth does not even make a top ten list, and no WA is not Oz's supper power state. I get your pushing your home city, but Perth will NEVER host the games, hell even Brisbane is a stretch.

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New Zealand is too small for the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games the only way that New Zealand will the Olympics rings there is by hosting the Youth Summer Games in Auckland and an Winter Olympics and Paralympics Games with Christchurch - Queenstown New Zealand. Auckland does not have an chance beating Perth or Brisbane as the next host of the Summer Olympics and Paralympics in the Oceania region.

New Zealand will always be overshadowed by big-brother Australia. Perth will always be overshadowed by the Australian superpowers (eg. Sydney). But to be fair, I shall compare the two cities and see if Auckland is indeed "too small" when compared to Perth.

AUCKLAND

Area: 1,102.9 km2 (425.8 sq mi)

Population: 1,418,000

WalkScore: 100/100

TransitScore: 99/100

Brand: N/A

PERTH

Area: 6,417.9 km2 (2,478.0 sq mi)

Population: 1,972,358

Walkscore: 98/100

TransitScore: 100/100

Brand: N/A

In conclusion, Perth is significantly larger than Auckland in area (but does the IOC really care how big the city is? I mean New Zealand is an island-nation, after all), and the population of the two cities both are greater than 1,000,000 but less than 2,000,000. Both cities have high WalkScores and TransitScores, and both have little international recognition. If you ask me, I think New Zealand/Auckland deserves an Olympics more than Perth. Australia is pretty well known but most Americans probably don't know where New Zealand is. Most Americans probably view New Zealand as an agriculture country, but the Olympics could show the world that New Zealand is much more than that. I think New Zealand/Auckland could provide a much greater legacy and narrative than the one I can think of for Perth. But that's just my opinion.

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The Perth v Auckland debates are nothing new.

I've got family in Perth and the biggest draw back is the long flight to get there. They also have a sense that they are so isolated and have to do things for themselves. Even a hundred years ago they weren't sure if joining the federation was a good idea.

Where Perth would fall down in an Olympics hosting is accessibility and the fact they are so expensive to host without federal support. GCL boasts about WA being the powerhouse state of Australia, but a we are about to find out in today's budget, it may have all been a facade. Taxes, the bain of all governments, are about to go up.

Auckland is unusual in the fact that, begrudgingly, the nation depends on it and Auckland hosting an Olympics would in Kiwi mindset be the main city of a "New Zealand" Olympics...Just as the last three hostings of the Commonwealth Games were. It will always require nationwide support as per the RWC11. Auckland also is going through an amazing transport and infrastructure building program that the govt supports and trying to reign in its enthusiasm because of the money supply and financial responsibility that goes with it.

As for knowing where NZ is, that may not necessarily be a bad thing. Still the same could be said for NZers. They did the point on a map where the major US cities were...surprisingly not that great, LA, NY, Dallas and Chicago getting results. Naming the states were just as bad. Texas, California, Washington and Florida scored the highest.

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I find it ironic that the people pushing Durban hosting the Olympics are bashing Perth, Perth is light years ahead of Durban there are only 4 million people that used Durban Airport while Perth has 13 million people used the Perth airport last year, Perth Airport is going under an massive upgrade and expansion which will be done in 10 years which is projected to handle 40 million people a year by 2030, Perth has been the historical gateway to Australia in shipping time. Perth is building an new 60-80,000 seater Stadium which will be done by 2018.

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