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I find it amusing many members have called the Chinese government and the International Olympic Committee hypocritical for many recent actions without realizing the irony of hypocrisy that us talking about, paying attention to, planning to attend or watch the hypocrisy in all its glory come August 8th. If we are truly against a regime or how our beloved Olympics are being used and abused by the current host we should tune out. Also what would you expect from a country with not just a human rights track record but a political track record of acting like a child internationally and not thinking twice about some of their more draconian and medieval practices they perpetrate.

I also have to express my disappointment at the lack of non-cycling doping talk we aren't having, despite more than a dozen Greek athletes testing positive along with the vast majority of Bulgarian weightlifters, and now 7 Russian track athletes have been suspended due to urine tampering. In total there has been more than 40 doping violations caught, more than half of those in 1 sport from 2 countries and this barely gets noticed here. Also Rogge's assertion that their will be at least 40 doping violations in the games proper hasn't even registered here. We have talked about Thanou and Chambers but in both cases those were doping repercussions and not doping itself.

No matter the quality of these games, the level of competition, the number of stars, flawless organization, these games will be not remembered well. The media will be very displeased about restrictions and this will definitely affect perspectives and coverage. As Jeremie has said, the Chinese don't care, in their eyes this is a games for the Chinese and no one else. But how can that be true when the Fuwas spell out Beijing Welcomes You, One World, One Dream and the bid presenting this as China's opening to the world?

Also with the prospect of these games being the most doping tainted games in history these games will always have a dark cloud hanging over them, just like Mexico, Munich and Montreal.

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I find it amusing many members have called the Chinese government and the International Olympic Committee hypocritical for many recent actions without releasing the irony of hypocrisy that us talking about, may attention told, planning to attend or watch the hypocrisy in all its glory come August 8th. If we are truly against a regime or how our beloved Olympics are being used and abused by the current host. Also what would you expect from a country with not just a human rights track record but a political track record of acting like a child internationally and not thinking twice about some of their more draconian and medieval practices.

I also have to express my disappointment at the lack of non-cycling doping talk we aren't having, despite more than a dozen Greek athletes testing positive along with the vast majority of Bulgarian weightlifters, and now 7 Russian track athletes have been suspended due to urine tampering. In total there has been more than 40 doping violations caught, more than half of those in 1 sport from 2 countries and this barely gets noticed here. Also Rogge's assertion that their will be at least 40 doping violations in the games proper hasn't even registered here. We have talked about Thanou and Chambers but in both cases those were doping repercussions and not doping itself.

No matter the quality of these games, the level of competition, the number of stars, flawless organization, these games will be not remembered well. The media will be very displeased about restrictions and this will definitely affect perspectives and coverage. As Jeremie has said, the Chinese don't care, in their eyes this is a games for the Chinese and no one else. But how can that be true when the Fuwas spell at Beijing Welcomes You, One World, One Dream and the bid presenting this as China's opening to the world?

Also with the prospect of these games being the most doping tainted games in history these games will always have a dark cloud hanging over them, just like Mexico, Munich and Montreal.

ok~I saw your opinion, and I respected~ But nonetheless world politics are realistic.

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Don't trash the China

Despite the west's worst fears, most Chinese are happy with the transformation of their society

A Pew survey published this week suggests Chinese people are upbeat about the future direction of their nation. In 2002, only 48% of Chinese people surveyed were "satisfied" with it; today, 86% are. In 2002, 52% rated the Chinese economy as "good"; today, 82% do. Although many respondents recognise that China's "traditional way of life is getting lost" as it leaps from creaking Stalinism to gleaming modernity, 71% said they like the "pace of modern life". Only 3% think China's global economic influence is negative.

Ninety-six per cent of respondents think the Olympics will be successful and 79% describe the games as "important to me personally". Chinese people know their country has problems – rising prices, the rich/poor gap, corrupt officials, air pollution and unemployment – but they seem generally, and inspiringly, optimistic about the future. Good for them.

These Pew findings contrast dramatically with western attitudes to China. Where Chinese people seem happy with the economic progress of recent years, western observers see only its downsides. China is described as a "rapidly advancing dystopia where rivers run black", where the widespread use of "the dirtiest fuel of all" – coal – is putting the planet on "the fast track to irreversible disaster". Many fret that Chinese demand for more stuff – meat, fridges, cars and other apparently outrageous luxuries – is contributing to the food price crisis and the warming of the planet.

Some claim that China's thoughtless economic rise is causing job losses in America and Europe, or even that China's cheap toys and even cheaper dog food are choking our children and poisoning our pets. When it was discovered that some Chinese toys had relatively high levels of lead paint, fears were expressed in the US about American children's IQ possibly being lowered as a result of chewing on these "toxic" toys.

Many in the west regard the games as an opportunity to berate China. Simon Jenkins says he hopes the Olympics will expose "the true nature of the Beijing regime". Some want them relabelled the "Genocide Olympics" in reference to China's relationship with Khartoum. Others call on Gordon Brown and George Bush to use the Olympics to pressurise China to reform. There's no question that China remains an authoritarian regime, but what earthly right do Brown or Bush have to lecture anyone about authoritarianism? People in the moral gutter cannot take the high ground.

No doubt some will argue that the Pew survey results simply show that Chinese people are too scared to give honest answers to pollsters, and that western observers can take a more sophisticated, critical and objective view of China's dirtiness and wickedness. This is self-deceiving pomposity. In truth, the difference between Chinese attitudes and those of western commentators reveals what really lies behind the China debate today: a tussle over modernity itself.

From the old cold war brigade in the US to trendy green groups in Europe, China has been transformed into the whipping boy of the 21st century, an "all-purpose rogue state", as Mark Leonard describes it. Much of this fear-mongering is driven by western distaste for progress. Many see in China the "mistakes" that we in the west have already made: industrialisation, the expansion of cities, skyscraper-building, mass migration, the rise of a consumer society. Our own doubt about these historic gains for humanity means we look at China and see its awe-inspiring development as something dirty, dangerous or duplicitous.

Slowly but surely, the western elite's self-loathing of recent years is transforming into a loathing of China, which is seen to represent everything that is rotten about "western-style" modernity. Anyone with an ounce of humanism should challenge the demonisation of the Chinese and instead share in their optimism about the future. Whatever the killjoys in Islington and DC might say, it is an unalloyed good that Chinese people's material lives are improving; let us hope their political lives rapidly improve, too.

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I find it amusing many members have called the Chinese government and the International Olympic Committee hypocritical for many recent actions without releasing the irony of hypocrisy that us talking about, may attention to, planning to attend or watch the hypocrisy in all its glory come August 8th. If we are truly against a regime or how our beloved Olympics are being used and abused by the current host.

Why is it hypocritical if I still bother to watch the Games and talk about them beforehand? Not everything about those Games of Beijing is political -- there's still the fascination (and in terms of doping, of course there's only the threat) which is provided by the ceremonies, the sports events and the behaviour of the common people.

Hypocrisy means that you say one thing, but do exactly the other. Just like the IOC which promised to guard the liberty of press in Beijing, but made a deal with the organisers that the web access for journalists will be restricted.

I for my part never said that I wouldn't watch the Games because of the political issues. There were times (at the climax of the Tibet crisis last spring) when I didn't look very much forward to the Games, yes. But I wouldn't ever had got the idea of completely ignoring the Games. The athletes (at least those who give me the impression that they are clean) and the ceremonies are much too important for me to be ever ignorant of the Olympic Games.

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