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[Citius Altius Fortius]

We should face the fact that the IOC is lying in bed with the Chinese government and the committee of laymen is showed up now by the communist party of China.

I hope the IOC isn't unsophistcated anymore to believe that their "Olympic Games" can change a country for better - the only problem is that their fuss about the moral background of the Olympic Games aroused illusions by us - now we suffer of "de-illusions"...

[Olympian2004]

BBC CHINESE is regularly posting the articles of FROM TAIWAN SEPERISTS, FA LUN GONG( A Chinese Cult aims to provoke the hatred between believers and non-believers of China), 1989 Pekin riots refugees but linked to the Western Intelligent Agecies)

And the English BBC website does not? That one is obviously not banned in China!

DW stands for the voice of German government and particularly in 2008, its voice standing stronger in the tune of anti-Chinese policy

So then please explain me why DW is deemed a "voice of the German government" while other German news websites are not (I haven't heard so far of other German news websites being banned in the MPC). That makes absolutely no sense, and that is what I meant with those ridiculous bullshit excuses the Chinese regime finds for its bans, visa restrictions and so on.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

Maryjane - there is a difference -

yes - the website "DeutscheAussenpolitik" criticise the German foreign policy, but it isn't an official one.

The difference is that it isn't censored in Germany - in China you have not the chance to get an own opinion about other point of views.

Futhermore the German politics is based on different parties, which have totally different approaches in political issues - therewith we (and every other Democracy) have experiences to build up own opinions, since we are informed by totally different sources - in totalitarian states, in which a single party is ruling, you have just one source.

I don't share the point of view of the "DeutscheAussenpolitik" - it is just propaganda of a left-wing-party - nobody said to me that it is propaganda - that is my own opinion.

Do you ever reached a Chinese website, which criticise the Chinese authorities or government? Did you ever have the chance to get an own opinion?

Edited July 30, 2008 by Citius Altius Fortius

[Maryjane]

Oh, that propagandistic website which mainly still gnaws on mistakes made by some Western media back in March/April? I'm NOT impressed.

And you learn some German first before you post German news articles whose content you even don't understand.

NO~ THAT WEBSITE CONTINUES UNTIL NOW AND GROWING BIGGER AND BIGGER~ Whether you are impressed or not doesn't change any facts of another amount of people dislike what you swearing randomly.

OK~WE ARE EVEN STEVEN, WE BOTH NEED TO LEARN STH BEFORE WE TRYING TO PERSUADE OTHERS WISELY RATHER THAN JUST JUDGING WITH SHORT-SIGHTS AND PLENTY OF IGNORANCES

[Maryjane]

And the English BBC website does not? That one is obviously not banned in China!

So then please explain me why DW is deemed a "voice of the German government" while other German news websites are not (I haven't heard so far of other German news websites being banned in the MPC). That makes absolutely no sense, and that is what I meant with those ridiculous bullshit excuses the Chinese regime finds for its bans, visa restrictions and so on.

I DON'T have plenty of time to argue with you, so just briefly answer you the questions.

BECAUSE BBC CHINA HAS ALL THE CHINESE FEATURES AND ALSO ALL THE COMMENTS MADE BY CHINESE-SPEAKING NOCs~And it aims to the Chinese speaking audiences!

CAN YOU FIND A DW-CHINESE? IF YOU DO, YOU COULD FIND SOME CONTENT OF THE WEBSITES AND COMPARES TO THE BBC CHINESE~BY THE WAY, DW RECENTLY CLAIMING a report of ALL THE CHINESE athletes ARE IN DOPING JUST BEFORE THE GAMES~THAT'S JUST TWISTING THE WHOLE IMAGE OF Chinese team for its long history and is not being tolerated by no matter Chinese government or Chinese people.

I CAN TELL YOU, ALSO RSF, Amnesty International may be also considered been baned because of the their extreme Propaganda insulting of Chinese athletes

[Al in NYC]

Hopefully the IOC will come to realize its error in believing anything the Chinese government had to say in their desperation to get the Games. People criticize the press and TV all the time for whining and driving the games in certain directions, but in this case they will hopefully be a force for good and effectively make the IOC think twice before ever placing the Olympics in a totalitarian country again.

[Olympian2004]

BECAUSE BBC CHINA HAS ALL THE CHINESE FEATURES AND ALSO ALL THE COMMENTS MADE BY CHINESE-SPEAKING NOCs~And it aims to the Chinese speaking audiences!

And so why are even the international correspondents not allowed to access those websites?

CAN YOU FIND A DW-CHINESE? IF YOU DO, YOU COULD FIND SOME CONTENT OF THE WEBSITES AND COMPARES TO THE BBC CHINESE~BY THE WAY, DW RECENTLY CLAIMING a report of ALL THE CHINESE athletes ARE IN DOPING JUST BEFORE THE GAMES~THAT'S JUST TWISTING THE WHOLE IMAGE OF Chinese team for its long history and is not being tolerated by no matter Chinese government or Chinese people.

That's absolutely no justification for banning the whole website. German news channel n-tv made a mistake in March/April as well (the thing with the wrong picture captions), but obviously it isn't banned now. How can one ban a website just because of one wrong or inconvenient reports? By the way, I'd like to see that alleged DW report about "all Chinese athletes being doped" first. I highly doubt that DW makes such crude generalisations.

I CAN TELL YOU, ALSO RSF, Amnesty International may be also considered been baned because of the their extreme Propaganda insulting of Chinese athletes

And once more the question: Why are those websites also banned for international correspondents then -- when only the Chinese shall be "protected" from those websites?

[Citius Altius Fortius]

BY THE WAY, DW RECENTLY CLAIMING a report of ALL THE CHINESE athletes ARE IN DOPING JUST BEFORE THE GAMES~THAT'S JUST TWISTING THE WHOLE IMAGE OF Chinese team for its long history and is not being tolerated by no matter Chinese government or Chinese people.

Maryjane - it is obvious that you are not used to the rules of western media - it is just pure nonsense to claim that the DW said that "All the chinese athletes..." - this sentence is easily to disproved and the newspaper, the journalist, who claimed such thing would get an action for slander.

By the way you have to be carefully you have to differ between an article or programm and a commentary - a commentary is one opionion of a journalists, which is published - such commentaries must be marked with the word "Commentary" and the full name of the journalist...

[Citius Altius Fortius]

Olympian2004,

forget it - maryjane won't answer our questions - maybe he/she/it isn't allowed to answer them or he/she/it can't see it since our posts are censored by the chinese authorities...

Let's go back to the trivial issues in life and talking about the important questions in life e.g. the colours of the toilets in the venues or ....

Edited July 30, 2008 by Citius Altius Fortius

[Maryjane]

Maryjane - there is a difference -

yes - the website "DeutscheAussenpolitik" criticise the German foreign policy, but it isn't an official one.

The difference is that it isn't censored in Germany - in China you have not the chance to get an own opinion about other point of views.

Futhermore the German politics is based on different parties, which have totally different approaches in political issues - therewith we (and every other Democracy) have experiences to build up own opinions, since we are informed by totally different sources - in totalitarian states, in which a single party is ruling, you have just one source.

I don't share the point of view of the "DeutscheAussenpolitik" - it is just propaganda of a left-wing-party - nobody said to me that it is propaganda - that is my own opinion.

Do you ever reached a Chinese website, which criticise the Chinese authorities or government? Did you ever have the chance to get an own opinion?

I of course know how the democracy system works, and I would be pleased if China having its own great progress of democracy.

BUT China now is not a maoist society, but more likely a capitalism under the ruling of elitism bureaucracy. It's progressing but also a developing nation.

So that means more and more middle class is building up in China in a preparation of political reform. If you don't believe me, just watch the whole story of this year's China's Earthquake, how the people, the officals and the rich react to this crisis.

YOU OVERLOOKED as WITHIN THE Chinese communist party, there are many different voices behind your so-called totalitarian system, even including the sponsorship by american ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY.~ That means the government is formed by more democratic powers than ever. But there are still a generation of Maoist and communist believers shares a large of the Chinese population~And they are still seeing the current modernization is shameful and A compromise of the Western colonialism. Igorent enough? I think so too, but that's what the history causes all the pains and distrust BY th West in the worst part of the Chinese history of the last 100 years.

It's just complicated and impossible to please the entire 1.3 billion people's needs~It's a shame but that's why Chinese just opening its door to the world 30 years ago! It's the time China speaks and become an ''adult'' properly as its economic weighting heavier and heavier.

Do you know CHINA ONCE WAS THE BROTHER NATION OF AMERICA BECUASE OF ITS DEMOCRTIC GOVERNMENT, AND THE BIGGEST POWER FIGHTS THE FACISM IN ASIA.? But because of all the bureaucracy corruption and ''democratic version of totalitarian''in the 1930s, the COMMUNIST PARTY WON THE CIVIL WAR SUPPORTED BY THE CHINESE PEOPLE themselves.~

Can you see how inmature the political-satisfaction of the general Chinese population is? Chinsese only developed its modernization 30 years ago and they were even just the slaves of one royal family before the British Empire was born, but Germany already gone through the rapid economic growth of over 60 years. Don't you think that's an amazing but aslo roller-coaster like transformation for the German people and their nation? What do you think of China's progress compares to MAO's China in the 1949s, until this year, China's weight of economy is expected to take over Germany and become the third biggest. Generally, China is at least on the right track of revolutiong the nation and its political system rather than becoming the real totalitarian LIKE IRAN OR NORTH KOREA.

Criticising China is not a big deal, but to demonise 1/4 of world population and the oldest civilization in the world is a dead-end route. it Neither helps to construct a better international community nor to build up a new China what the world is expecting to see. Anyway, World Economy already gone into depression, to concern more about our wallets is more realistic tahn swearing all the time over other's issue. The world is always changing, nobody would top the rule model of the world forever.

I do respect your concern, but please do listen to different opinions too. To answer your last question, I can surely say YES, you can criticise the authority, you can learn from many aspects of the thoughts and viewpoints, but in a Chinese way. AND Chinese has family values, they are nice, friendly, and owns a good moral values and philosophy. If you're trying to open your heart rather than being defenSive, they would be impressed and willing to talk a lot about their thoughts and minds WITH you~

[downtownBLUE]

Frankly, I am more disappointed with the IOC than I am with the Chinese. Regardless of the issues of what news source says what, I think it is disappointing that the IOC did not push harder during the negotiations process nor have harsher words after the announcement of censorship. No live broadcasts from Tienanmen Square is one thing, but access to the internet is a much different case.

I have, indeed, lost respect for the "Olympic Movement".

I find it difficult to understand why these restrictions exist for the international press. A group of reporters are not likely to incite rioting, protests or what-not based on reports from Amnesty International and by restricting their access does hinder their ability to comment or report on those issues that do pertain to the Olympics-for the positive or negative.

Shame on the IOC.

[LA84]

And people are surprise because????

PLEASE. As soon as I heard that Bejing won over Toronto in 2001 I laughed out loud because I knew the IOC was going to make fools of themselves and revert back and quash all the gains they had made 20 some odd years ago prior.

This is just the opening salvo.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

And people are surprise because????

PLEASE. As soon as I heard that Bejing won over Toronto in 2001 I laughed out loud because I knew the IOC was going to make fools of themselves and revert back and quash all the gains they had made 20 some odd years ago prior.

This is just the opening salvo.

You are right, LA84,

it is absolutely not a surprise, but I do love to rub IOC's nose that they are a bunch of incompetent managers...

Edited July 31, 2008 by Citius Altius Fortius

[Olympian2004]

Criticising China is not a big deal, but to demonise 1/4 of world population and the oldest civilization in the world is a dead-end route.

No one demonised China as a whole, especially the whole Chinese population. If you read correctly, our criticism is always directed towards the Chinese regime, but not towards the common people.

That's a major problem in that discussion: That Chinese take the criticism towards their government personally, although the critics clearly distinguish between the government and the people.

[Olympian2004]

You are right, LA84,

it is absolutely not a surprise, but I do love to rub IOC's nose that they are a bunch of incompetent managers...

That's a very polite expression. I use another (see my first posting), and nothing has changed about my attitude so far.

I for my part, was certainly not surprised that the Beijing Games wouldn't have a liberal, tolerant and free atmosphere and that there would still be restrictions. But what seriously surprised me is the extent of IOC's brown-nosing. They behave as if not they gave the Olympics to China, but as if China gave the Olympics to them! For heaven's sake, those are still the Games of the whole Olympic Movement and not of China alone! Wouldn't the IOC have chosen that way, China would have had yet another normal summer this year! So why does the IOC surrender in such ghastly fashion?

[Hobart]

Before the news of the ban came out i had never even heard of Falun Gong but once they said you couldnt acess it in China what the 1st thing i did? thets right i googled it very interesting.

What are China's chances of getting another Olympics Games summer or winter? bout the same as Atlanta?

[jim jones]

And people are surprise because????

PLEASE. As soon as I heard that Bejing won over Toronto in 2001 I laughed out loud because I knew the IOC was going to make fools of themselves and revert back and quash all the gains they had made 20 some odd years ago prior.

This is just the opening salvo.

Lets Face it LA 84 the IOC is only following the trend of the Multinational Corporations that are their worldwide partners wanting to access the fastest expanding economy in the World.The IOC is basically a bunch of Boot lickers who nod their approval of anyone who is enriching them. McDonald's, Coca Cola , GE , NBC TV all part of this thinking of the massive marketplace at any cost.

The United States Government basically had that position with both the Bush and Clinton Administrations giving China most favorite trading nation status. China is one of the worst for trade practices which basically has the trade going one way.

Not to lay blame at the United States feet as much of the world powers turns a blind eye to China in regards to Human Rights for good old Heaps Cash. The IOC is just an extension of that as they have to be for the very survival of their Cash Cow.

As to Maryjane democracy does not mean just voting democracy it means freedom of expression, freedom of the Press and freedom of Ideas. as to Citrus well Germany certainly doesn't have that IE Nazi movements being banned. I don't favor hate groups but in the United States they are protected under the constitution until they actually commit a crime. In Germany it is wise to ban as they want to get as far clear of that past as possible and it does not reflex the very good people of Germany what so ever. Does it make Germany less of a democracy no not really. does it make Germany a true Democracy of course not. The political system has to adapt to the environment on the ground to keep a healthy order. China was for many centuries under Emperors who did nothing for the masses .

if people think human rights are bad in China now or in the recent past try the dynasties that ruled before the communists.

I can't recall any two or multi party elections in China so please don't say your a democracy because you are not. This is only the symptom of the ILL that rots part of this world. What China has embraced is Market Capitalism not Democracy , Freedom of the press or Human rights. The IOC just endorses China by awarding them the Olympics and then says to the rest of the World how reforms for our concerns will change with the awarding of the olympics. Yeah that is kind of like saying Hitler was going to change with Berlin 1936 LOL. The Olympics are a simple Propaganda tool that countries use to endorse their Behavior with.

When it Comes down to it you are basically looking at a Sports competition that is overblown and used for these purposes.

No politician thinks of uniting the youth of the world Blah blah blah when they have their country bid on these things. IT is how can I get into the history books worldwide in what seems like a positive way. Or how you I line my pockets.

Jim jones

[jim jones]

Before the news of the ban came out i had never even heard of Falun Gong but once they said you couldnt acess it in China what the 1st thing i did? thets right i googled it very interesting.

What are China's chances of getting another Olympics Games summer or winter? bout the same as Atlanta?

The chances of China getting the Olympics again are extremely good because once you have hosted them as a nation they usually come back in 50 years so long as you have the Money to pay for them . I would not doubt by 2050 that Shanghai or Hong Kong would be Hosts. Putting it to a set city like Atlanta well that is not possible. The United States will certainly host again. That is how the IOC kisses up for the Majority of the world Wide partners money. If Chicago hosts in 2016 or 2020 we will hear the same moaning for Europeans about commercialism in Chicago. THe IOC has to bow to the hosts it is a fact. and the Basic Fact is that the United States will never have a games with private sector involvement leading the Funding.

Then lets face it if there was a meltdown in interest like the time period of the late 1970's early 80's the IOC has a option in Beijing to be a Los Angeles type rescue city for the near future.

Venues for the Olympics are not going to get bigger or grander then Beijing for at least 20 years or more. In Fact there will be a general correction from that . Who knows 2008 Beijing followed by 2072 Beijing? It would be like London 1948 and then London 2012. My thinking is Beijing would certainly not be like Paris waiting nearly a Century for the games to return. China is about half the size of the US economy in 64 years that will change and may be the revise.

Jim jones

[zenica]

Freedom for free public.

[Maryjane]

Lets Face it LA 84 the IOC is only following the trend of the Multinational Corporations that are their worldwide partners wanting to access the fastest expanding economy in the World.The IOC is basically a bunch of Boot lickers who nod their approval of anyone who is enriching them. McDonald's, Coca Cola , GE , NBC TV all part of this thinking of the massive marketplace at any cost.

The United States Government basically had that position with both the Bush and Clinton Administrations giving China most favorite trading nation status. China is one of the worst for trade practices which basically has the trade going one way.

Not to lay blame at the United States feet as much of the world powers turns a blind eye to China in regards to Human Rights for good old Heaps Cash. The IOC is just an extension of that as they have to be for the very survival of their Cash Cow.

As to Maryjane democracy does not mean just voting democracy it means freedom of expression, freedom of the Press and freedom of Ideas. as to Citrus well Germany certainly doesn't have that IE Nazi movements being banned. I don't favor hate groups but in the United States they are protected under the constitution until they actually commit a crime. In Germany it is wise to ban as they want to get as far clear of that past as possible and it does not reflex the very good people of Germany what so ever. Does it make Germany less of a democracy no not really. does it make Germany a true Democracy of course not. The political system has to adapt to the environment on the ground to keep a healthy order. China was for many centuries under Emperors who did nothing for the masses .

if people think human rights are bad in China now or in the recent past try the dynasties that ruled before the communists.

I can't recall any two or multi party elections in China so please don't say your a democracy because you are not. This is only the symptom of the ILL that rots part of this world. What China has embraced is Market Capitalism not Democracy , Freedom of the press or Human rights. The IOC just endorses China by awarding them the Olympics and then says to the rest of the World how reforms for our concerns will change with the awarding of the olympics. Yeah that is kind of like saying Hitler was going to change with Berl1936 LOL. The Olympics are a simple Propaganda tool that countries use to endorse their Behavior with.

When it Comes down to it you are basically looking at a Sports competition that is overblown and used for these purposes.

No politician thinks of uniting the youth of the world Blah blah blah when they have their country bid on these things. IT is how can I get into the history books worldwide in what seems like a positive way. Or how you I line my pockets.

Jim jones

First of all, I think your part of ideas are realistic and down to the earth. It's very interesting to highlight which political position the IOC supposed to put itself at, or what kind of

idealology this sports event should be banlanced at the most rather than being twisted to a extreme. All I can say it's with this world has almost billions of people

living on one single plantnet but features different cutlures and values, economies, political aspects and so on. And the most important quesition, does every single one of the

nations in this world was, at presnet and in the futre would be on the same track as they are developing their nations for the better approach? And most importantly does politics

work the best to deal with the human rights issues that could be defined with many standards within different cultures. Yes, sometimes but not always. Why? Because there are

always competitions going on between nations and nations, and the world orders currently doesn't work fully only depends on the moral values rather than compromises between

arguments. If the Olympics really gone into a privillaged game for all nations to be qualified with their histories or so-called human rights records, then I would say EUROPE is the

major land of humanity crisis to be blamed, from the unspeakable imperialism/slavery to the doomsday-like 2 world wars. One question is remained, Why there are still some

nations are currently killing the civilians in the warzone of the middle-east while swearing others in a highest tune about human rights protection? And interestingly the BIG 5 of

the UN are just the biggest weapon traders in the world, including llegally. So I wonder what's the BORDERLINE of the FREEDOM while muslims, jews, anglos, asians, africans are

sharing the most? Does the notion of FREEDOM stand for a self-genocide of each of the traditional values in order to please a universal standard? Is this standard a sensational

or just political?

It's like blaming economy because of the pollution, but also blaming the poverty because of the economy at the same time.Then to bring back the pollution again to ensure all

of us to be able to afford the campagin of fighting the pollution~So was the modern civilization really set up to be an ultimate perfection 100 years ago? I don't know, but the

history of the Olympics doesn't seem like very nice of the human rights chapters or a fairy-tale book. But have the world including China, Russia, Many African nations, and

almost half of the world given up the efforts of promoting and supporting the Olympic movement? Well~let the fact tells all

And particularly in 1984 Los ANGLES, it's China borke the boycotts of USSR's pressures and insisted to join the Olympic family as their first time. But boycotted the USSR's Regime

of imperialism over the invation of Afganistan. Yes, olympics is always a battleground for some politics, but politics still never successed of killing Olympics growing bigger and

bigger.

Freedom of China would be on the track but only up the hands of the Chinese. Because people are the major force of change, not just a President or so-called World Leader

[Maryjane]

IT'S COMFIRMED BBC CHINESE AND SOME OTHER WEBSITES ARE FREE TO ACCESS NOW! A GOOD PROGRESS~

[Citius Altius Fortius]

IT'S COMFIRMED BBC CHINESE AND SOME OTHER WEBSITES ARE FREE TO ACCESS NOW! A GOOD PROGRESS~

... glad to hear that...

Edited July 31, 2008 by Citius Altius Fortius

[Olympian2004]

... glad to hear that...

Here's the confirmation:

Beijing unblocks BBC Chinese site

But obviously, some other sites still remain blocked.

[Rob2012]

Shame it took worldwide condemnation for it to happen though. These sorts of sites should have been unblocked before journalists started arriving en masse in Beijing; if only, from the Chinese regime's perspective, to prevent a PR blunder.

[Citius Altius Fortius]

Shame it took worldwide condemnation for it to happen though. These sorts of sites should have been unblocked before journalists started arriving en masse in Beijing; if only, from the Chinese regime's perspective, to prevent a PR blunder.

If the BBC-website (and other website of western media) stayed blocked it would have been a joke - since the BBC (and other western medias) is (are) in China to cover the Beijing Olympics...