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Attn: Beijing and Vancouver worriers of where Cauldron(s) A and B will ultimately hang...

Look what I found in the Lake Placid 1980 Official Report:

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The Closing Ceremony was held in the Olympic Center International Rink from 2230 to 2310 on Feb. 24....

The Olympic Flame burned here only for the Closing Ceremony, in a cauldron hung from the ceiling rafters.

As the music faded, all eyes turned overhead to the Olympic Flag. The fanfare of the Olympic Hymn sounded, and the flag began to descend. Below came 12 flagbearers and 52 torchbearers, to escort the flag from the arena. The torches, blazing, were held high. As the flag and the torchbearers passed beneath the Olympic Flame and exited, the torches going out one by one, finally only the single large flame above burned, and then it, too, slowly died. Simultaneously, two miles away, the main Olympic Flame was also extinguished.

So, it's all been done before!! Again, just goes to show that there pretty much aren't too many original ideas left -- they've all been done at (American) Olympic Ceremonies... :lol:

OK, I remember watching part of the Closing -- because Chuck Mangione was the featured guest artist. And I wondered what the hell he was doing in a Winter Olympics Ceremony? But ABC must've glossed over the protocol parts -- because those I don't remember; and I have the memory of an elephant!!

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So? Doesn't prove anything.

That's not a flexible dome that will inflate when the air is heated. That building was a fixed structure with a hard roof and plenty of ventilation.

You put a big flame inside BC Place, and the heated air will rise and cause the roof to expand and tears to form which will allow air to escape which in turn will cause more tears which will in turn let more air escape

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So? Doesn't prove anything.

That's not a flexible dome that will inflate when the air is heated. That building was a fixed structure with a hard roof and plenty of ventilation.

You put a big flame inside BC Place, and the heated air will rise and cause the roof to expand and tears to form which will allow air to escape which in turn will cause more tears which will in turn let more air escape

Uhmmm, doncha think I know that? :rolleyes: The other point is that Lake Placid used 2 cauldrons even for its Closing. So if it was done that way, it sets a precedent in doing it similarly for Vancouver's Opening. So, MY POST DOES PROVE SOMETHING!! :P

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But your error is in one word - BIG. No one from VANOC has said the flame would be a big one. And before you pull some quote from John Furlong, remember, he's just a mouth piece trying to drum up support. The creative and technical teams make the call.

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Using different cauldrons for Opening and Closing ceremonies was actually rather common for past winter games. Most of the times, the two ceremonies took place in different stadiums (open air one for the opening, main ice arena for the closing). I am certain it was the case for Grenoble 1968, Sapporo 72 (actually, there was no cauldron in the arena during the Sapporo closing: a screen displayed the main cauldron being extinguished), Innsbruck 76, Lake Placid 80 and Sarajevo 84. I think Calgary was the first host city using a dedicated venue for its ceremonies (i.e. a venue not used for any sports event).

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Using different cauldrons for Opening and Closing ceremonies was actually rather common for past winter games. Most of the times, the two ceremonies took place in different stadiums (open air one for the opening, main ice arena for the closing). I am certain it was the case for Grenoble 1968, Sapporo 72 (actually, there was no cauldron in the arena during the Sapporo closing: a screen displayed the main cauldron being extinguished), Innsbruck 76, Lake Placid 80 and Sarajevo 84. I think Calgary was the first host city using a dedicated venue for its ceremonies (i.e. a venue not used for any sports event).

That's true. And that's why, Baron, your "scoop" is just one thing: boooooooring!

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Hey Everyone,

After looking through all the past cauldrons and where they where placed, does anyone really think that there is a huge possibilty that China will redo an earlier idea? If the stadium is anything to go by, though limited in where to place it, the cauldron will no doubt be a talking point. On that note, it would be great to hear what other people think about the 'actual' design of the cauldron.... like the look of it.

I personally believe that the Cauldron will match the themes of the Torch. This however is not a new idea, seeing as the Athens 2004 Cauldron resembled the Torch itself. Also that the Sydney 2000 Cauldron was still worked around the idea of water, fire and earth (Cathy Freeman, kicked ass when she lit it!!! :lol: )..... a theme that was embodied in the Torch too. So, barring that the colour red might make an appearance again, I reckon that the cauldron might again be metalic and invoke the symbol of the lucky clouds. Or failing that, One Gold Dragon spiralling around a giant pillar holding the flame in its mouth.....

On the issue of the Vancouver Cauldron, that is indeed a tricky one, but from what i read in the other forums, will the roof covering the stadium even be built in time for the ceremony? Or will it be fully enclosed at the time of the ceremony? At the time of the ceremony, there might just be a conventional hole in the roof looking stadium, therefore it would eliminate the problems of hot air from the cauldron.

Ok, catch ya guys later.....

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On the issue of the Vancouver Cauldron, that is indeed a tricky one, but from what i read in the other forums, will the roof covering the stadium even be built in time for the ceremony? Or will it be fully enclosed at the time of the ceremony? At the time of the ceremony, there might just be a conventional hole in the roof looking stadium, therefore it would eliminate the problems of hot air from the cauldron.

There's an air-supported roof on the stadium now, as there has been for 25 years. The question is whether or not to remove it and replace it with a retractable roof in time for the Games.

The plan, as it stands now, is that the current roof will remain and the stadium will be fully enclosed during the ceremony.

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Hey Everyone,

After looking through all the past cauldrons and where they where placed, does anyone really think that there is a huge possibilty that China will redo an earlier idea? If the stadium is anything to go by, though limited in where to place it, the cauldron will no doubt be a talking point. On that note, it would be great to hear what other people think about the 'actual' design of the cauldron.... like the look of it.

I personally believe that the Cauldron will match the themes of the Torch. This however is not a new idea, seeing as the Athens 2004 Cauldron resembled the Torch itself. Also that the Sydney 2000 Cauldron was still worked around the idea of water, fire and earth (Cathy Freeman, kicked ass when she lit it!!! :lol: )..... a theme that was embodied in the Torch too. So, barring that the colour red might make an appearance again, I reckon that the cauldron might again be metalic and invoke the symbol of the lucky clouds. Or failing that, One Gold Dragon spiralling around a giant pillar holding the flame in its mouth.....

On the issue of the Vancouver Cauldron, that is indeed a tricky one, but from what i read in the other forums, will the roof covering the stadium even be built in time for the ceremony? Or will it be fully enclosed at the time of the ceremony? At the time of the ceremony, there might just be a conventional hole in the roof looking stadium, therefore it would eliminate the problems of hot air from the cauldron.

Ok, catch ya guys later.....

welcome, TornerBlu.

I think most of the ideas have already been threshed out and exhausted on here. Why don't you review past threads so there is no need to rehash everything again?

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welcome, TornerBlu.

I think most of the ideas have already been threshed out and exhausted on here. Why don't you review past threads so there is no need to rehash everything again?

Hey Mr Baron....... ;)

Yeah, I know that i may have repeated a few things,..... but not on this thread anyways.... besides I have read alot on this forum site, and it has in some way been most enlightning. It's just that with everything being so 'hush hush' concerning the ceremony (and i am glad it is, to some extent), I thought it might be fun to hear what others think the cauldron might look like... if there is a thread for this topic, i haven't found it yet....

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