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Un-be-lie-vable!

By the way, according to the German commentator, the 1-0 was no offside due to a specialty in the offside rule. I haven't understood the explanation, but I hope that they'll clear that up in the halftime break.

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Typically Italian, excuses, excuses, excuses.

Yea it was offside, but oh well, sh!t happens. Just think of it as karma.

Whatever, even the commentators were saying it was offside dumbass.

I know it was offside Dave, I said it was. But refs are only human and make mistakes.

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WOW - Netherlands vs. Italy 2:0

The first goal wasn't offside - since there is a rule, that a player, who is behind the goal-line is counted as player - there was an Italian player behind the goal-line!!!!

OK, thanks for clearing that up. I hadn't seen the Italian player behind the goal-line. I was a little distracted in that moment.

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Un-be-lie-vable!

By the way, according to the German commentator, the 1-0 was no offside due to a specialty in the offside rule. I haven't understood the explanation, but I hope that they'll clear that up in the halftime break.

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im Toraus war ein Italienischer Spieler - es scheint eine Regel zu geben, dass der Spieler, der sich im Toraus befindet bei der Abseitsregel mit eingeschlossen wird

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Whatever will happen in the 2nd half -- already now kudos to Oranje! The fearlessness and force they show is simply incredible.

Italy was very, very strong in the first ten or 15 minutes as well -- but Oranje seems to have found the key to overpower that tight Italian defence (which actually did a good job, despite Cannavaro's absence).

Sorry, Portugal and Turkey -- but this is definitely the most exciting match at this EURO so far!

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The boards are only there to give an indication, they're not there for the ref to abide by and never have been. The ref can add or as much or as little time as he sees fit.

It was funny to discover how few West Ham fans understood this when we scored against them in the fourth minute of stoppage time despite the board saying there should only be three. The cries that the goal should not have stood and that the ref was a closet Spurs fan were ridiculous; and quite funny.

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Italy was very, very strong in the first ten or 15 minutes as well -- but Oranje seems to have found the key to overpower that tight Italian defence (which actually did a good job, despite Cannavaro's absence).

I think the Italian defence was very tough - sometimes a little bit too tough - it seemed that the Italians have no fair means to stop the Dutch attacks and therefore they acted like "butchers"...

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On Friday:

Italy-Romania

Netherlands-France

On Tuesday, June 17:

Netherlands-Romania

France-Italy

mhh - F. pass mal auf: Italien - Rumänien wird ein Unentschieden

Niederlande gewinnt wieder gegen Frankreich und ist durch

und dann wird es am 17. sehr sehr spannend...

my predictions:

Italien vs. Romania = tie

Netherlands vs. France = victory for the Netherlands

and the last day will become very very thrilling

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Italy didn't play badly at all, they really didn't. Holland were superb though. That was like Federer v Nadal all over again; one great make to look average by a superior great.

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Italy didn't play badly at all, they really didn't. Holland were superb though. That was like Federer v Nadal all over again; one great make to look average by a superior great.

That's absolutely true. Despite a highly disencouraging Dutch lead, the Italians showed an incredible spirit. But also they made unbelievable mistakes in front of the goal. Especially Luca Toni was a huge disappointment tonight.

Nevertheless, I'd not count Italy out. We all know that they are best with their back against the wall.

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RE: the offside:

Question 26: Where should the Assistant Referee place himself to judge for offside in the following instances?

(1) An defender's momentum, takes him out over the goal line where he remains injured off the field of play.

Answer (1): A player leaving the field during play because of his momentum, is not deemed to have left without the Referee's permission and can therefore re-enter without the Referee's permission. However, this player is clearly injured, awaiting treatment off the field of play. He should be deemed to have left the field of play and will require the Referee's permission to re-enter after he has received treatment. As the injured player is off the field of play, he should not be considered in any offside decisions. The Assistant Referee should move up field in line with the next second last defender remaining on the field of play. The injured player should be discounted when deciding offside in this scenario.

On occasions like this, the Referee will need to decide when a player is genuinely injured (or not!). There will probably be no time for the Referee to actually give permission for this player to be treated - because he will be concentrating closely on the ensuing match action. The Referee will need to decide if the player is genuinely injured, or if he is feigning an injury in the hope that an offside will be given against an opponent. It is a very difficult decision for the Referee to make whilst primarily concentrating on the match action.

(2) An defender's momentum, takes him out over the goal line but he is not injured.

Answer (2): A player leaving the field of play because of his momentum during play, is not deemed to have left without the Referee's permission and can therefore re-enter without the Referee's permission. In this instance, although the defender is off the field of play, (and until he returns to the field of play), he should be deemed to be standing on the goal-line (in the field of play) when considering offside. The Assistant Referee should stand in line with the last opponent on the field of play (which in this case will probably be the defending goalkeeper). When deciding offside in this scenario, the two last defending opponents are the defender who has travelled off the field of play, and the defending player who is nearest to the goal line on the field of play (which in all probability will be the goalkeeper).

If an uninjured defender purposefully remains off the field in an attempt to place an attacker in an offside position, then that defender should also be deemed to be standing on the goal-line (on the field of play) when considering offside. Trickery of this nature circumvents the spirit of the offside Law.

So, not as clear cut as you'd think; nowhere near in fact! It all depends on whether you take the player who's off the field of play as "active" or not. Not an easy decision by any means. Though I think I'd probably say it's offside, hearing David Pleat and the ITV "experts" berating the referee (as if they're the font of all footballing knowledge!) for getting "an easy decision wrong" got a bit tiring.

Anyway, not that it mattered in the end. Italy, a very good side were outclassed by a huge Holland performance. The big question is, can they keep it up or will they burn themselves out?

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