baron-pierreIV Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Of course... couldn't agree more! But they think the world hates them for free, so what can we do? Just because they are an "open", "democracital", "friendly" society as the phillippinian guy said up there. And BTW Baron, nothing happened in those ocasions... and nothing also happened in 2007, here in Rio... so think a little bit more before trying to diminish other's bids because of violence.... of course that during the games security is at another level, one that we don't see in our everyday lives... and it doesn't matter if it is in Rio, Badgah, Chicago or Siberia.... but terrorism............ isn't the same thing! Many in the world hates the US, and considering what's happening now with China, we have to agree that it would be a great risk for the olympic movement to give the games to Chicago. That's obvious. If people in San Francisco have stuff to say against China, can you imagine the list of awful things people will have to say around the world about the US? Who said anything about violence in Rio? Did I? You started this trend of thought. Besides, who cares? It's a great risk in your mind, thorb -- not in the hearts and minds of thousands who want to come here to the US. The wait to move to the US is as much as 10 years in some places. And I've seen and known more Brazilians coming and living to the US than the other way around. That about sums it up -- terrorism or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Who said anything about violence in Rio? Did I? You started this trend of thought. Besides, who cares? It's a great risk in your mind, thorb -- not in the hearts and minds of thousands who want to come here to the US. The wait to move to the US is as much as 10 years in some places. And I've seen and known more Brazilians coming and living to the US than the other way around. That about sums it up -- terrorism or not. Economic conditions force that more so than thoughts of security. To our Brazilian friends, Islamic extremist terrorist see all of our countries as potential targets and threats, we are all evil and misguided in there mind because we are not proper Muslims like they think the entire world should be, they object to our lifestyles, what we do and fundamentally who we are. This is not an issue that has boarders and shouldn't be used as a partisan attack for the propose of one bettering each other on this forum in the hopes that our preferred city will be chosen by the IOC in October of 2009. It does not matter whether the games are in Rio de Janeiro, Chicago, Tokyo, Baku, Doha, Prague, or Madrid, each will present a traget to terrorist organizations that object to our existence as we are. Whichever city is chosen, it will most certainly be considered a target and thought will go into if there is enough reward for the risk in trying to attack the games in 2016. Their motives are independent of nationality, boarder or race, there motives are based on misguided religious interpretation of Islam. The Olympics no matter the location will provide motive as a target, weather it be Israel, scantily clad men and women or a general desire to upset something western nations (and eastern nations) hold dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbr Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Who said anything about violence in Rio? Did I? You started this trend of thought. Besides, who cares? It's a great risk in your mind, thorb -- not in the hearts and minds of thousands who want to come here to the US. The wait to move to the US is as much as 10 years in some places. And I've seen and known more Brazilians coming and living to the US than the other way around. That about sums it up -- terrorism or not. Just like u, no? Phillippinean guy! That doesn't sum up anything! It has nothing to do with what I said... people move to your beloved country for economical reasons, as Faster said.... and just for u to know...... many brazilians are comming back, since we are growing and being able to provide more oportunities... don't make me discuss here political, historical and so on reasons why people from developing countries move to developed ones... u should know that, isn't it? U are from a developing country! And Faster... I don't think that terrorists are so dumb as you said.... it's pretty obvious that YOUR relationship with their countries, people, is f... up... not ours. We have muslins living here, and Brazil has a great agenda with their countries. Of course I know that some think that western is all the same thing... but even these ones know that who did something to them were u guys up there in the north.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Just like u, no? Phillippinean guy! That doesn't sum up anything! It has nothing to do with what I said... people move to your beloved country for economical reasons, as Faster said.... and just for u to know...... many brazilians are comming back, since we are growing and being able to provide more oportunities... don't make me discuss here political, historical and so on reasons why people from developing countries move to developed ones... u should know that, isn't it? U are from a developing country! And Faster... I don't think that terrorists are so dumb as you said.... it's pretty obvious that YOUR relationship with their countries, people, is f... up... not ours. We have muslins living here, and Brazil has a great agenda with their countries. Of course I know that some think that western is all the same thing... but even these ones know that who did something to them were u guys up there in the north.... And you don't think Canada and the USA have large Muslim populations. We have strong relations with many Muslim majority countries. You are a Catholic infidel country in their eyes, we all are all the same no matter what. Remember who Brazil's main international alliances are with, India, Germany and Japan, all targets for terrorism. Brazil is not immune from terrorism, no state is and to think you are not a target is pure ignorance on your part. If Rio was to win the Olympics, they are just as much a target as a games in Chicago, even more so probably because it would be a logistically less daunting a task than attacking a target within the US right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbr Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 And you don't think Canada and the USA have large Muslim populations. We have strong relations with many Muslim majority countries. You are a Catholic infidel country in their eyes, we all are all the same no matter what. Remember who Brazil's main international alliances are with, India, Germany and Japan, all targets for terrorism.Brazil is not immune from terrorism, no state is and to think you are not a target is pure ignorance on your part. If Rio was to win the Olympics, they are just as much a target as a games in Chicago, even more so probably because it would be a logistically less daunting a task than attacking a target within the US right now. You don't need to call me ignorant... that's why you are still the main target, no matter what. You guys are too arrogant. My point it that ALTOUGHT we are catholic, western, and so on, they don't have many reasons to attack us, but they have zillions of reasons to try something against u.... that's obvious. And besides that, altought we have strong ties with possible main targets, we also have good relationships with ALL muslin countries.... that's not your case, for sure. You just like the ones that are totally in favour of your politics for the region. Well, there's no point of discussing this anymore... that's your point of view... mine is different..... it's not a question of ignorance... I'm a foreign affairs analyst, so there's no reason for calling me so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Just like u, no? Phillippinean guy! That doesn't sum up anything! It has nothing to do with what I said... people move to your beloved country for economical reasons, as Faster said.... and just for u to know...... many brazilians are comming back, since we are growing and being able to provide more oportunities... don't make me discuss here political, historical and so on reasons why people from developing countries move to developed ones... u should know that, isn't it? U are from a developing country! And Faster... I don't think that terrorists are so dumb as you said.... it's pretty obvious that YOUR relationship with their countries, people, is f... up... not ours. We have muslins living here, and Brazil has a great agenda with their countries. Of course I know that some think that western is all the same thing... but even these ones know that who did something to them were u guys up there in the north.... I really don't care to debate nor waste any more time and energy with you. As for my private life -- you have no idea of what you are saying. You can assume all you want. I really don't owe you anything to discuss such matters with you. You don't interest me in the least. Goodbye. Discuss all you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 And you don't think Canada and the USA have large Muslim populations. We have strong relations with many Muslim majority countries. You are a Catholic infidel country in their eyes, we all are all the same no matter what. Remember who Brazil's main international alliances are with, India, Germany and Japan, all targets for terrorism.Brazil is not immune from terrorism, no state is and to think you are not a target is pure ignorance on your part. If Rio was to win the Olympics, they are just as much a target as a games in Chicago, even more so probably because it would be a logistically less daunting a task than attacking a target within the US right now. Does that really threaten Rio from be shortlisted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 You don't need to call me ignorant... that's why you are still the main target, no matter what. You guys are too arrogant. My point it that ALTOUGHT we are catholic, western, and so on, they don't have many reasons to attack us, but they have zillions of reasons to try something against u.... that's obvious. And besides that, altought we have strong ties with possible main targets, we also have good relationships with ALL muslin countries.... that's not your case, for sure. You just like the ones that are totally in favour of your politics for the region. Well, there's no point of discussing this anymore... that's your point of view... mine is different..... it's not a question of ignorance... I'm a foreign affairs analyst, so there's no reason for calling me so. You under-estimate their contempt for all western countries and people. Also my country has diplomatic relations with every country. We have recognized diplomatic missions for and to all countries and almost all countries have relations with us (though some are through their embassy in the US). Our standing middle-eastern policy is vague at best actually, we have strong ties with Israel, but also have ties with Lebanon and Syria that until recently had been fostered. Unfortunately our current government has lost the previous voice that continued to say that in regards to Israel and Palestine that the UN resolutions should be enforced and put into being including clauses calling for creation of a Palestinian state. We were also the leaders of a group of countries that tried to mediate a compromise between the US and the European powers to avoid an outright Iraqi invasion, we did get some serious consideration from France and Germany, but our American friends refused to go along with any of our proposals. Also I am a Tokyo supporter, as I want Germany to host 2018 instead of Korea. But I don't participate with the partisan fighting that happens here, I don't opening bolster for them or give undo criticism to other bids. I have fundamental problems with Rio's bid based on my fundamental ideas regarding how a games should be hosted. They have already been well articulated by thatsnotmypuppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Puh-lezze, throbr. If the IOC was so afraid of who's the most terrorists prone, they would've never awarded the 2012 Games to London to begin with. Certainly the U.K. is at the top of Al Queda's list, considering how they are viewed as the U.S.' "lap dog". If the IOC is so afraid, then they should strip London of the Games right away & give it to a much "safer", less terrorist prone location like "Rio". And Faster, why does it *seem* like you have such distain towards the South Koreans? I think if it were up to you, South Korea would never host a Winter Olympic Games simply because you think that they're not a "great" winter sports power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorbr Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 I really don't care to debate nor waste any more time and energy with you. As for my private life -- you have no idea of what you are saying. You can assume all you want. I really don't owe you anything to discuss such matters with you. You don't interest me in the least. Goodbye. Discuss all you want. Ok Phill... Thanks God you won't talk to me anymore! And Faster.... as you can surelly assume... I was talking about the United States................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Ok Phill... Thanks God you won't talk to me anymore! And Faster.... as you can surelly assume... I was talking about the United States................... You were talking about me as an American. FYI - if Munich doesn't bid, I would support Pyeongchang. I would much rather see the games go to Korea than back to Japan or to China. And yes I think sports pedigree is important and I still think that a PC games would be the same as Nagano, low support, low attendance and questionable legacy. You have seen my signature for a very long time that I support Munich for 2018. We all have preferences and in fact other than my questions about legacy and need for PC, I have no problems with their bid, it fits into what my idea of hosting the games should be, I am just not convinced that the Koreans have got it right in regards to need. Would it be nice for Korea to become stronger in winter sport, yes, it will save considerable embarrassment for the host in ice hockey (I don't think the IOC would like a score of Canada 50 - 0 Korea in women's play for instance) and it could go against what I think and be the rare winter sporting success in Asia, unlike previous world championships and Olympics. Its not like my preferences ever win (Sion in 2006, Toronto 2008, Paris 2012, Salzburg 2014) 1/5 since I have followed the Olympic bid process and I highly doubt I will go 2/6 when 2010 reaches us cause I am realistic that Chicago and Rio are the only possible winners, Chicago in the 2nd round if Rio doesn't meet benchmarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 This is what I call followup not by running around meeting IOC members in various middle eastern countries. Rio 2016 at ACNO Assembly in Beijing http://www.rio2016.org.br/en/Noticias/Noti...?idConteudo=507 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 This is what I call followup not by running around meeting IOC members in various middle eastern countries. So what? Rio's NOT the only one. The IOC will not allow 1 team to be present and NOT the others. R u really as dumb as you pretend to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 All the applicant cities were in Beijing (as reported on GamesBids and on every applicant city website - expect Pragues ?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 So what? Rio's NOT the only one. The IOC will not allow 1 team to be present and NOT the others. R u really as dumb as you pretend to be? I never said it was Rio's only. You conclude it by insulting my personlity. I made it clear that it's what I admired by running around in the middle eastern countries for support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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