New York Olympic Stadium

[Rafa]

Could somebody please add low res and high res images of the proposed West Side stadium for new york's Olympic bid. I'm trying to create a similar stadium and Google doesn't help much with the details of the stadium.

[olympian]

here's one photo from Wikipedia.

[The Hero of Olympia]

I have got some pictures on my computer, but I can't seem to upload them on to the site, however I have found the site that I got the images from:

http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=...;partner=Google

(image of a model of the Olympic Stadium)

http://www.sportsbusinesssims.com/new.york...adium.issue.htm

(A few images of the stadium, and the links probably have a few more as well)

Hope that helps!

[rav3n]

I remember this was a very controversial stadium, can anybody tell me the reasons?

[Lord David]

Well to put it simply, there were 4 core ideas, that made the new stadium highly controversial:

- High cost, which would have to be funded mostly though public funds (which could easily go out of control)

- Increased congestion in traffic and people to the already crowded West Side area of Manhattan

- The high likelihood of taking major events (particularly concerts) away from the nearby Madison Square Garden

- The non-assuredness that the New York Jets would move to the stadium as a permanent tenant, which would leave the stadium as a mostly empty stadium (with the occasional concert, annual sporting event, exhibition matches and perhaps a few set date Jets/Giants Games) for most of the year

More info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Stadium

[NY20??]

If you're looking for detail, not sure how these would totally help you:

[NY20??]

And for the sake of it - the Javits Convention Center expansion right next to the stadium:

[Durban Sandshark]

Mark Lamping, the St. Louis Cardinals executive, was lured away from his job almost two weeks ago to oversee construction of the new domed stadium.

Look for this stadium to earn a NCAA Final Four with excellent sightlines for basketball and possibly nab a future college football bowl game--the Gotham/Big Apple Bowl?

[Brekkie Boy]

Definately the flaw in New Yorks plan, especially falling through a month before the vote forcing a quick rethink. I suspect also the flaw in any future plan too if they don't have an obvious tenant waiting to take it over.

I do like i'ts box like design though - nice to see something that isn't the usual oval.

[FYI]

Lucas Oil Field in Indianapolis is more boxy than oval. It also looks more like a fricken warehouse than it does a stadium.

[Faster]

I am pretty sure the Jets have an out-clause that could allow them to leave NMS in either 2023 or 2026. And again in either 2028 or 2031.

[baron-pierreIV]

Lucas Oil Field in Indianapolis is more boxy than oval. It also looks more like a fricken warehouse than it does a stadium.

Actually, Lucas was meant to look like those red barns of the midwest.

[Sir Rols]

I was almost gonna start a new thread for this news snippet, but non second thoughts, it probably fits here with all the previous pics. And for all those who still long for a NYC olympics:

From Ashes of Olympic Bid, a Future Rises for the Far West Side

Late in his first term, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg suffered a stinging defeat when, after an extensive planning and public relations effort, New York City lost its bid to host the 2012 Summer Olympics.

Now, though, a vibrant neighborhood is rising in the area where the Olympic stadium and complex would have stood on the Far West Side of Manhattan. As a result, officials, developers and urban planners are embracing an unlikely notion: the Olympic bid’s defeat may have been one of the best things to happen for the city’s growth in recent memory.

The Bloomberg administration repurposed many elements of the bid to create Hudson Yards, the commercial and residential district taking shape west of Eighth Avenue, a once-desolate area of factories, lofts and parking lots between 30th and 43rd Streets.

Fifteen sleek residential towers have sprung up since 2005, the year that the Olympic bid was rejected, and a dozen hotels have muscled their way onto these blocks.

This month, one of the city’s biggest developers, the Related Companies, announced tentative plans to erect a 51-story office tower on the spot where the Olympic stadium would have stood, with Coach, the luxury retailer, as the anchor tenant.

No one expects the Far West Side to look like the office canyons on Avenue of the Americas anytime soon. Another deep recession in the next few years could undermine nascent plans.

Still, city officials predict that within two decades, Hudson Yards could have more office space than Baltimore or Portland, Ore., and as many apartments as Stamford, Conn.

An extension of the No. 7 subway line from Times Square to 34th Street and 11th Avenue, at a cost of more than $2 billion, is two-thirds complete and set to open in December 2013. Work is to begin early next year on a new tree-lined boulevard between 10th and 11th Avenues. Both of these projects were originally conceived for the 2012 Olympics.

Some planners pointed out that if the Games had been held in New York, the city most likely would have had to cover billions of dollars in cost overruns. It also would have been stuck with many underused sports facilities, including the stadium.

“It’s ironic that the Hudson Yards was born out of the loss of the Olympic bid,” said Jeffrey S. Katz, who owns three large development sites in the district. “At the end of the day, it turns out to be better for the city that the Olympic stadium is not there. We’re building a new, vital part of the central business district.

“Imagine what a big stadium would’ve been like. It would have dominated the area, and not necessarily in a good way.”

The rejuvenation of the neighborhood and the expansion of the business district could be among Mr. Bloomberg’s most enduring legacies, achieving a goal that eluded Mayors Edward I. Koch, David N. Dinkins and Rudolph W. Giuliani. Each failed to remake this industrial area after the shipping piers disappeared and the garment district withered.

Even Mr. Bloomberg, who allowed that he “hates to lose,” said that in retrospect, the failure of the Olympic bid may have been a blessing for the city.

“Given what happened to the economy, it would’ve been tough to raise all the money,” Mr. Bloomberg said in an interview.

But, he added, his administration pushed ahead with many of the projects and land-use changes that were contained in the Olympic proposal, not just on the Far West Side, but in other parts of the city as well.

“We thought the Olympics would be the catalyst to get a lot of things that many people thought the city needed,” he said. “In fact, many got done” anyway.

From the day he took office in 2002, Mr. Bloomberg made the Olympics, as well as the redevelopment of the Far West Side, a signature initiative.

The proposal’s chief architect, Daniel L. Doctoroff, a former deputy mayor under Mr. Bloomberg, combined a series of new or refurbished sports facilities across the five boroughs with plans for the redevelopment of waterfront industrial areas.

The rezoning of the West Side for commercial towers was necessary for New York’s survival as an international center of finance, media and communications, Mr. Doctoroff and others argued, because Manhattan was running out of room for development.

But the Olympic plan was also tied to an unpopular proposal for a $2 billion stadium and an expanded convention center nearby.

While Mr. Bloomberg lost the Olympic bid, he won the rezoning effort in 2005, with plans for up to 24 million square feet of office space and more than 13,000 apartments.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority selected the Related Companies to develop 12 commercial and residential towers, a park and a cultural center over the rail yards between 10th and 12th Avenues, from 30th to 33rd Streets.

Since then, the Bloomberg administration has invested heavily on the Far West Side, including $3 billion in bonds for the subway extension, new parks and the boulevard between 10th and 11th Avenues, a remnant of the Olympic plan.

The administration has had to tap into the city budget to cover interest payments on the bonds. That cost will be $557 million by 2015, officials said.

The view from the roof of the Ohm, a 34-story rental building that opened in 2010 at 30th Street and 11th Avenue and has attracted tenants who work in the fashion and media industries, offers a sense of how much things have changed on the Far West Side.

There are residential towers on the northern border, along 42nd Street; new hotels and apartment buildings pushing westward from Eighth Avenue; and new residential towers marching northward along the High Line, the elevated park in Chelsea.

A major developer, Avalon Bay, is about to begin construction of its largest residential complex, with 700 rental apartments and a 30-story tower, at 11th Avenue and 29th Street.

In the next month or so, Related will begin work on a 32-story rental building, with 400 apartments, opposite the proposed Coach building.

The Gotham Organization just broke ground on a $520 million residential complex on a block bounded by 44th and 45th Streets, between 10th and 11th Avenues. It will contain 1,232 apartments, including 682 units for poor and moderate-income families, mandated by the Hudson Yards rezoning.

Commercial development has progressed more slowly because of the area’s lack of public transportation, its untested location and the costly decks that must be built over the railroad tracks.

Even so, Related, Brookfield Properties, Sherwood Equities and other developers at Hudson Yards said they were optimistic that the first set of commercial buildings was only a few years off, especially with the subway extension set to open in 2013.

Mitchell L. Moss, director of New York University’s Rudin Center for Transportation Policy and Management, said the development underscored how the city was better off with the Olympic plan but without the event itself.

“We’ve created the opportunity for new housing, new commercial space and an entirely new recreational corridor,” Mr. Moss, author of the new report “How New York City Won the Olympics,” said in an interview. “In light of how quickly the Far West Side developed, we’ve done better without the Olympics than anyone would have anticipated.”

New York Times

[deawebo]

I bet that if NYC had won the olympics still the city will be growing fast... And maybe better...

[baron-pierreIV]

Well, I still dream that someday NYC can host an Olympics either with a new (temp) stadium at Flushing Meadows or use the Meadowlands complex with a Village close by.

[stir.ts]

It's a cool new part of the city with lots of room to grow, lots of good design and the high line is fantastic.

[Athensfan]

Love the high line.

I think this story shows one of the problems of the current Olympic model. The vast Olympic parks filled with new venues are not the best way to serve most major cities.

[deawebo]

Olympics in NYC are really difficult... But as baron said, Meadowlands will be an easier option.

[paul]

I like New Jersey but I wouldn't want to attend a New York Olympics there. One day they will likely figure it out, it's just a matter of time, money, innovation and technology.

Oh and politics, environmentalists, citizens, neighborhoods, developers, rivals, the IOC, other cities and countries, air rights, transportation, safety.....omg, it may be a long time.

[baron-pierreIV]

If it's been held in equal cities: Beijing, London, Rio, and maybe Tokyo again...I don't see why NYC couldn't handle it?

[deawebo]

If it's been held in equal cities: Beijing, London, Rio, and maybe Tokyo again...I don't see why NYC couldn't handle it?

Better Chicago

[FYI]

Better Chicago

Yes, they would be. But the big question still remains, are they still interested. And from what it seems, it doesn't appear that they are.

What this article seems to illustrate, is that New York (& Bloomberg) had no, & has no, intentions of bidding for the Olympics again anytime soon. And with statements like "losing the Olympic bid was a blessing for the city" and "we're better off now that we lost that Olympic" and also "at the end of the day, it turns out to be better for the city that the Olympic stadium is not there, etc" doesn't sound like it's something the city wants to try again, & wouldn't seem to bode too well with trying to sell the city to the IOC again either.

I really think IF & when there's another Summer Olympic bid coming from the U.S. it's gonna be from Los Angeles. Since they wouldn't be second guessing anything with such a huge endeavor like this. And the USOC seems to be partial towards the City of Angels as well.

[Athensfan]

I'm fine with NYC not bidding again. The idea if the Games in the Big Apple has never felt right to me. I think the Games would be swallowed by the city and I think mist grumbly New Yorkers would just regard them as a highly inconvenient annoyance.

If Chicago does give up, that would be a serious loss. They have so much to offer the Olympic Movement. I hope a phoenix will rise sometime in the 20's......

Argh. Auto correct. Read "most grumbly New Yorkers"

[deawebo]

Sad but true ^ ^ you're right FYI.... LA will be US most likelly bis for 2024 or whenever they will bid again.

[Athensfan]

Sad but true ^ ^ you're right FYI.... LA will be US most likelly bis for 2024 or whenever they will bid again.

I don't think an LA bid would be sad at all. LA is not chopped liver. The city has a ton to offer and could make a fantastic host -- especially with a major transportation project...