skicross Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 The Pyrennes bid for the XXIII Winter Olympic Games :: coming soon ::
Scotguy Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 your logo looks very very similar to Vancouver 2010 paralympic logo
skicross Posted March 6, 2008 Author Report Posted March 6, 2008 It could be, although my logo represents The Pyrenees at the top and the Ebro river at the bottom. A fusion between Zaragoza and the Jaca area...
Scotguy Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 i understand, but it just looks too familiar
baron-pierreIV Posted March 6, 2008 Report Posted March 6, 2008 skicross, I am excited about your Tharagotha bid -- but if u don't my saying so at this point, u need a more exciting WINTRISH logo. As scotguy said, it is very reminscent of Vancouver's paralympic logo. Try an exciting Spanish-type snowflake. Just my dos pesetas.
skicross Posted March 6, 2008 Author Report Posted March 6, 2008 skicross, I am excited about your Tharagotha bid -- but if u don't my saying so at this point, u need a more exciting WINTRISH logo. As scotguy said, it is very reminscent of Vancouver's paralympic logo. Try an exciting Spanish-type snowflake. Just my dos pesetas. Zank you baron for your interest in Zgz's bid I will see what I can do about the logo... although part of the bid book layout is inspired in that logo... maybe you prefer this sunny Spanish snowflake...
skicross Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Posted March 9, 2008 BID BOOK PREVIEW: Foreword 00.Index 01.Motivation >>Why Zaragoza? 02.Zaragoza 03.Venues >>Zaragoza >>Ceremonies >>Jaca Area >>IBC/MPC >>Maps 04.Transport >>Airport >>High Speed Train >>Motorways >>Zaragoza Transport System >>Maps and Charts 05.Accomodation >>Zaragoza >>Jaca Area >>Olympic Villages 06.Experience 07.Metereology 08.Appendix A total of 44 pages bid book.
Aronious Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 skicross hope this doesnt reveal your bid but didnt you post a Zaragoza 2018 bid book you made just for kicks a while ago...in the topic about the bid library? Will there be any changes to it? I think i still have it saved to my computer.
skicross Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Posted March 9, 2008 skicross hope this doesnt reveal your bid but didnt you post a Zaragoza 2018 bid book you made just for kicks a while ago...in the topic about the bid library? Will there be any changes to it? I think i still have it saved to my computer. You are right, I made a Zaragoza bid book some time ago, it is in the "Future Bids Discussion" topic. It is a general bid book (more than 80 pages) for a Zaragoza WOG, but it is in Spanish, so few people in GB could understand it... What i have done is to translate into English the most important parts of the bid book. But the one you have in your computer is the first version of the bid book, i have changed the venue maps, accomodation and a bit of transports sections since then.
Aronious Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 You are right, I made a Zaragoza bid book some time ago, it is in the "Future Bids Discussion" topic. It is a general bid book (more than 80 pages) for a Zaragoza WOG, but it is in Spanish, so few people in GB could understand it...What i have done is to translate into English the most important parts of the bid book. But the one you have in your computer is the first version of the bid book, i have changed the venue maps, accomodation and a bit of transports sections since then. I remember it well. A fantastic book despite only being able to read a few lines. Will be good to have it in english.
skicross Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 I have just sent the Zaragoza bid book to TNMP.
skicross Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 This is the venue concept of the Zaragoza's bid: ZARAGOZA • Ceremonies • Hockey • Curling • Figure Skating • Speed Skating • Short Track Skating JACA AREA >Aragon Valley • Alpine Skiing (Technical Events) • Cross Country Skiing • Biathlon • Nordic Combined • Freestyle Skiing • Ski Jumping >Tena Valley • Alpine Skiing (Speed Events) • Snowboarding • Bobsleigh • Luge • Skeleton
Citius Altius Fortius Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 skicross, how many km are between Zaragoza and Jaca?
skicross Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 skicross,how many km are between Zaragoza and Jaca? 140 km of 4 permanent lanes Highway.
Citius Altius Fortius Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 mhh - and the distance between the Aragon and the Tena Valley?
skicross Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Posted March 17, 2008 mhh - and the distance between the Aragon and the Tena Valley? Less than 20 km of 4 permanent lanes Highway too. Jaca is in the Aragon Valley, and the Tena Valley (Sabiñanigo) is in the way between Jaca and Zaragoza, look at this map...
skicross Posted March 18, 2008 Author Report Posted March 18, 2008 I have posted this comparison before, and you will find it in the bid book too, but i think is quite illustrative of the transport infraestructures of Zaragoza bid compared to the ones of Vancouver 2010. Both bids have a very similar venue and transport infraestructure plan.
skicross Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Posted March 19, 2008 Zaragoza-Jaca connected in 25 minutes - FEASIBLE Nowadays, the Aerodrome of Santa Cilia de Jaca (15 km from Jaca) is being upgraded to make it capable to attend commercial flights. For the Olympic Games the Aerodrome would be transformed into a little Airport to connect Jaca and Zaragoza. It would represent a huge legacy for an area that deposits a great part of its economy in winter sports. With this new infrastructure, Zaragoza and Jaca would be connected in only 25 minutes approximately. It would be a perfect alternative of transport for the Games. Besides, all the Medias and the Olympic family could use it freely during the Games. The Media Villages have been located near the airports thinking about this idea, to easier the trips. Zaragoza MMC and Zaragoza Media Village are less than 8 Km far from the Airport. Both, Zaragoza and Jaca Airports, are connected with the cities by Highways (4 permanent lanes for Jaca, and 6 lanes for Zaragoza).
Citius Altius Fortius Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Zaragoza-Jaca connected in 25 minutes - FEASIBLENowadays, the Aerodrome of Santa Cilia de Jaca (15 km from Jaca) is being upgraded to make it capable to attend commercial flights. For the Olympic Games the Aerodrome would be transformed into a little Airport to connect Jaca and Zaragoza. It would represent a huge legacy for an area that deposits a great part of its economy in winter sports. With this new infrastructure, Zaragoza and Jaca would be connected in only 25 minutes approximately. It would be a perfect alternative of transport for the Games. Besides, all the Medias and the Olympic family could use it freely during the Games. The Media Villages have been located near the airports thinking about this idea, to easier the trips. Zaragoza MMC and Zaragoza Media Village are less than 8 Km far from the Airport. Both, Zaragoza and Jaca Airports, are connected with the cities by Highways (4 permanent lanes for Jaca, and 6 lanes for Zaragoza). I doubt that a flight Zaragoza-Jaca is efficient for an airline - the plane doesn't even reach "voyage-altitude" - it is more likely that there will be flights like Madrid-Jaca, Barcelona-Jaca, Sevilla-Jaca etc.etc. (P.S.: I work for Lufthansa)
skicross Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Posted March 21, 2008 I doubt that a flight Zaragoza-Jaca is efficient for an airline - the plane doesn't even reach "voyage-altitude" - it is more likely that there will be flights like Madrid-Jaca, Barcelona-Jaca, Sevilla-Jaca etc.etc. (P.S.: I work for Lufthansa) Yes of course, you are totally right, what i wanted to say is that for the Games, Jaca's Airport would only receive flights from Zaragoza in order to control all the traffic. After the Games, Jaca's Airport would have the flights you said. For example, Huesca's Airport (near to Zaragoza but quite far from the Ski Resorts) has an airline, Pyrenair, which offers flights to Madrid, Valencia, A Coruña and Lisboa. Then the passengers are taken to the Ski Resorts, it is being a success. The idea is become Jaca's Airport in the real Airport of the Pyrenees!
skicross Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Posted March 22, 2008 DISCOVERING ZARAGOZA! Zaragoza is a city without compare. Her Iberian, Roman, Moslem and Christian history has gradually lent form to her present, to make her a city that is not only beautiful but full of surprises. Some videos: Zaragoza Zaragoza in pictures Zaragoza at night! Discovering Expo Zaragoza 2008
Kaufy Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Yes of course, you are totally right, what i wanted to say is that for the Games, Jaca's Airport would only receive flights from Zaragoza in order to control all the traffic. This does not strike me as environmentally friendly. A short haul flight produces 8 times the C02 emissions that a train uses for the same journey.
skicross Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Posted March 22, 2008 This does not strike me as environmentally friendly.A short haul flight produces 8 times the C02 emissions that a train uses for the same journey. You are probably right, but I reckon that it would be environmentally friendlier than destroying a beautifull Valley with new infraestructures which would represent disproportionate legacy for the area... I know that this small airport is also a great infraestructure but there is already an aerodrome existing so the damage of the environment would be really small and the legacy is really reasonable. We have to take into account that these flights (Zaragoza-Jaca) would only exist during the Games period, after them the airport would be opened to new flights.
skicross Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Posted March 23, 2008 I have found this video from The Independent with all you need to know about Zaragoza. You should see al least this video to make a general idea of the city... it is a really good video! Travel Videos: Spain's hidden secretThat sums up Zaragoza, the surprising capital of the beautiful region of Aragon. But this year the secret is out, because this northern Spanish gem is host to Expo 2008. Join Simon Calder as he compresses 48 Hours in Zaragoza into just 15 minutes - distilling the best from a rich past, a delicious present and an exciting future. Zaragoza - Spain's hidden secret
skicross Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Posted March 25, 2008 A little surprise that I haven't included in the bid book but that it will be a reality in the next years. GRAN SCALA - The largest European leisure complex Location: Zaragoza (about 50 km far) Surface: 2025 hectares (4.5 Km. x 4.5 Km) Main Leisure Infrastructures: 32 Casinos 70 Hotels 200 Restaurants/fast‐food 4 Major theme parks 15 Medium theme parks and museums 26 Shows, Concerts, Circus shows... Gran Scala - PDF (English) With new 70 hotels, accomodation in Zaragoza area would be assured and it would become Zaragoza a worldwide-known turistic city: "Las Vegas 2" ...
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