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BruceMcGechan

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  1. I think both the dual city and the counter season are certainly hurdles—just how high they are we may find out in the next day or two when the Agenda 2020 report is released. Also in that report will be a new bidding process where you can discuss your proposal up front before spending large sums of money on it. If the IOC said dual cities and counter season were two obstacles too far, then NZ would take the bid no further. Likewise the new infrastructure requirements, if the IOC requirements are still too high then NZ can sensibly withdraw rather than going through a lengthy application process.
  2. Some interesting posts there about Auckland vs Christchurch, I think good cases can be made for both. I'm watching IOC news releases like a hawk because any day now we should see the new IOC requirements. This one on Agenda 2020, "Some of the key areas addressed were possible changes to the bidding process, shaping it more as an invitation and to reduce costs. More flexibility with regard to the composition of the Olympic programme was also recommended...All the recommendations will be made public in mid-November after the IOC members have had the opportunity to study them.” http://www.olympic.org/news/olympic-agenda-2020-discussions-culminate-in-20-more-than-20-recommendations/239874 I appreciate that if there aren't any significant changes to the IOC requirements then a full feasibility study of the NZ Olympic Winter Games 2026 just won't go ahead.
  3. @G_Hunter some excellent ideas. I think I need to revisit the Christchurch section in my report given the accommodation ideas I've seen from you and others. You're the second person in 48 hours who has brought up a train option between Wanaka and Queenstown so I think that needs to be looked (though graident probably restricts this to gondolas). I'm not sure buses on our existing Christchurch to Queenstown roads will meet IOC requirements but let's see what the Agenda 2020 report says. Your ideas on bus services within Christchurch is just the sort of transport management that we'll need during the games within the cities. @StefanMUC the different seasons is an issue, but we are now used to summer Olympics, soccer, rugby and cricket being played in the other hemisphere's off season. @Nacre and @Lord David the accommodation requirement is 24,200 rooms for the 2022 Olympics (unless I'm misunderstanding your point). I think this needs to be reduced, for example see chapter 5 in "OLYMPIC AGENDA 2020, THE BID EXPERIENCE. Evaluation of the Winter Games Bids 2010 – 2018 and Recommendations for the IOC’s Olympic Agenda 2020", June 2014, by the Austrian, German, Swedish, and Swiss NOCs. Note I don't agree with all these points but it's an interesting submission. @zekekelso "cities should call their bluff. See if they really mean it." Well argued though I'd perhaps say - let's offer an affordable, smaller games that holds true to the Olympic Movement, the IOC then has an option they can compare to the bigger standard bids. @Alexjc Queenstown is too small, we would need Auckland or Christchurch to also host. Helpful posts, thanks to the handles above.
  4. Thanks @StefanMUC , I think the skepticism is understandable. Indeed my call is not for a bid but for a full feasibility study because there is such a long list of hurdles. However the more I talk to different people (including in this forum) the more ideas come up on how to handle them.
  5. According to a meeting I had with a FIS connected person Queenstown Lakes can hold a downhill. It would extend from say 1800m to 1000m, with the bottom section man-made snow (i.e. 800m vertical). Indeed it would be preferable the whole course was man-made snow for its consistency (also a chairlift would likely be needed to reach the bottom of the course if other transport was not acceptable).
  6. @Lord David All your points are good ones! I continue to investigate Downhill possibilities (seeing a FIS homologater on Monday and a man related to Treble Cone shareholders re his TC idea on Tuesday) but, for example, Cardrona goes from about 1900m to about 1100m (top of Whitestar chair to bottom of Valley view). I'd be keen to include Wanaka if we can sort the transport link out. I'm not sure where Canterbury would hold the cross country type events though - keen to hear your thoughts?
  7. @G_Hunter good thinking on the cruise ships (may need 5 rather than 2 though), on that basis Christchurch may be in the running (preferably with Auckland's 1.4mn people in behind it). Some other good points too. @mattygs hear you on the 2006 Games and Queenstown but I guess it was done in 1998 when Queenstown wasn't such a large alpine resort and didn't have the large international airport. Well put. We need to be cost effective not amateur (like the Rugby World Cup I guess). @mattygs I agree, like Oslo has ended up doing. You're in good company, our previous President of the NZOC Sir Eion Edgar has that even if we aim for a winter Olympics we may find we can only do the youth version - a worthy event in its own right. I guess a key point of my report is to do the full feasibility study post Agenda 2020 report and make a decision with all the facts, regardless of where that leads.
  8. @runningrings good points. I think the the season issue might have been resolved with the summer Olympics coming twice to Australia and of course to Brazil - easy to say, hard to do , but it's not a show stopper. Under current IOC requirements Auckland-Queenstown is far fetched and Christchurch-Queenstown also. However the Olympic Agenda 2020 review may give the flexibility we need. There are many examples where the travel required from city to alpine village is more than 2 hours by road/rail, by plane Auckland to Queenstown is 1.5 hours, Sydney to Queenstown is 3 hours - so its the transport connection rather than the separation of the two villages that I think is the real issue - and an important hurdle, I don't want to downplay this. New Zealand has hosted the Rugby World Cup 2011 across the country and, with Australia, is hosting the Cricket World Cup next year. So we're used to big events, we just spread them out. I agree more than two towns may take us too far away from the Olympic ideal but only two villages is pretty much the same as normal bids (albeit the connection is airlink not groundlink). The Olympic Agenda 2020 report will either give us that flexibility or not. If not, end of bid (for the Christchurch option too). @Gold Coast Lions we would welcome all those options I'm sure. The issue the Christchurch option needs to address is accommodation and, like Auckland, the transport connection to Queenstown. I'm also aware of the need to have popular support (we don't want an Oslo situation) and Auckland is the biggest city at 1.4 million with Christchurch at 340,000. If Christchurch could come up with a solution to at least the accommodation (we're talking fifty three 150-room hotels on top of average forecast growth) then they're a serious option. The NZOC would probably undertake a city selection process regardless. @ofantom I see Norway-Sweden is an idea http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/winter_olympic_bids/future_winter_bids/1216136997.html I also considered an Australia-NZ bid but see my point above about spreading out the towns.
  9. As per my username, I did the pre-feasibility report, what I'd call a "quick and dirty" report on whether we should look at this further. If I thought it was a ridiculous idea I would have quitely deleted the report and moved on but I think there is a possibility - dependent on IOC requiremetns post the Olympic Agenda 2020 report (8-9 Dec-14). The idea is probably Auckland-Queenstown because the IOC requires 24,000 2-5star rooms (2022 requirement). Auckland has 12700, Christchurch 5700 rooms and Queenstown 4700. Our tourism industry tends to grow at about 4% pa (we had 1.6mn tourists pa in 2000, 2.9mn in 2014). So we would expect Auckland and Queenstown to have 28,000 rooms by that year but Queenstown-Christchurch 16,000. Note the North Island alpine towns (Ohakune really) do not have much accommodation (nor do Wanaka or Methven). Will the IOC lower this requirement on in the 2020 report? If so then A Queenstown-Christchurch bid may be possible. Or a big hotel build is underwritten by the government in Christchurch perhaps as part of an earthquake recovery package. But our infrastructure will require an airlink connection from a large city to Queenstown. Will the IOC allow this transport connection in the 2020 report? We run a FIS World Cup events during the Winter Games NZ in Queenstown for ski and snowboard so we can do those. I was involved in homologating a Super G course (which I was told we couldn't do, but did), so I will also be checking the downhill options (don't assume the current set up of ski resorts, there are other options in Queenstown Lakes). We don't have a sliding venue, so will need to build that. The current idea is in Queenstown beside the gondola. Thanks @Nacre some good points on off season training. The ski jump is to be built at a ski resort or on the Queenstown ("Wakatipu" floor). I think that needs to be demountable and sold to the next bidder frankly. Again @Nacre some good points on the skating sport arenas. We would have them in Auckland, make them multi-purpose and possibly move two of them to Wellington and Christchurch post games. @Lord David, as @Nacre says, I'd like to see Wanaka involved but I'm not sure how we can build a sufficient transport connection to the town, and it only has about 1000 motel/hotel rooms. More generally, increasing the number of towns means we need to to meet IOC requirements to join them together - four lane highways sort of thing. In Central Otago a tram or gondola could do it I guess. Another question waiting on the 2020 report. @binary good point on Auckland, they have the accommodation and the support of a large city. All 5 ice areans would be built there with the main Olympic Village and the Opening Closing Ceremony stadium at Mt Eden park - unless Christchurch can convince the NZ government to support them with accommodation, transport, ice rink endowments and more. @TorchbearerSydney I'm hoping Christchurch will be rebuilt in the next 10 years if not the next 3, but it would be a great support to those poor folk. Lastly I'm thinking more Vancouver 2010, less than US$1 billion - not Sochi 2014 $6.5 billion (plus $44 billion for power plant/railway network etc). If the IOC 2020 report gives more flexibility in their requirements then I've recommended we do a full feasibility study, if not we walk away.
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