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  1. Knowing the CCP they'll bring in a bunch of Uighurs and Tibetans from their concentration camps to be spectators, completely unconcerned if they catch Covid and die after being in the stands to prove to the world that everything is really okay in China.
  2. I don't think China will be banning any countries from competing in the Winter Olympics, regardless of which vaccines their government has approved or not approved to date. It would be an incredibly bad look for them for a variety of reasons. 1) The virus did originate in China, so there are plenty of people who would be outraged and give the PRC major side-eye at any decision to ban athletes from countries struggling to come to grips with additional waves next fall/winter. 2) Which countries are they likely to ban? Most winter sports athletes from warm-weather nations have permanent training bases in places like the US, Canada or Europe - they're going to have access to the truly effective vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna, AZ and J&J before the end of summer if they don't already, and China's not going to challenge the efficacy of those vaccines even if they aren't approved for use in China itself. Who is left? Russia and other countries with closer ties to Russia than western Europe who are using Sputnik V? Again, that vaccine's efficacy seems to be at least as good if not better than both Sinopharm and Sinovac. China's not going to ban any of the major winter sports nations without people thinking, cynically, that China's just trying to improve its own medal chances. 3) If anything, China is going to look at this as an opportunity for the world to truly emerge from, by then, 2+ years of global pandemic, especially since there won't be any overseas spectators in Tokyo and there might not be any spectators at all. They are going to bend over backwards to make sure that any and all nations that want to participate are there. Having said all that - I've felt for the better part of the last year that the IOC should have moved these Winter Olympics from Beijing. China doesn't deserve to have the opportunity to look good around the world - not after the pandemic and the human rights abuses - notice how this really got the annihilation of Hong Kong's Basic Law out of the headlines.
  3. Can this one get scrapped in a logo rip-off scandal like the original Tokyo 2020 logo?
  4. I think it depends on the European city bidding... If it's Oslo then I'd give bet solid money on Oslo beating Vancouver, same with Munich (though they're not interested so that's a moot scenario). But if it's Zakopane... Vancouver probably wins. Stockholm or a Spanish bid might have a chance against Vancouver. I don't think that the continental rotation is nearly as much of a factor as it used to be, not especially when the IOC has struggled to keep European nations from bowing out of the bidding process entirely.
  5. Because the three that are interested are from countries they'd be fine with hosting the WOGs? Because the three NOCs aren't headed by Coates?
  6. Kudos to his male staff members who called him out at the time for the comment. Perhaps a sign that things are changing in Japan in that regard.
  7. What about northern Africa? Cairo possibly?
  8. Zagreb has hosted several major figure skating competitions in the last several years including the 2019 World Junior Figure Skating Championships and 2013 European Figure Skating Championships. They're a proven host and having 2021 Euros cancelled is hardly a major mark against the city. They get great marks from most fans who attend competitions there. In all likelihood, Zagreb will probably be awarded host city privileges for Euros 2024 to make up for this year assuming they want it. The ISU gave 2023 Four Continents to Sydney as a make-up for having to cancel 2021 4CCs which they were slated to host. Probably the only reason the same didn't happen for 2023 Euros is that the ISU waited until December to cancel Euros and by then they'd already awarded 2023 Euros to Helsinki, whereas the 2021 4CCs cancellation was made prior to the awarding of the hosts for the major 2023 championships (Worlds, Jr Worlds, Continentals, Synchro Worlds and Synchro Jr Worlds).
  9. I don't post here often but I've skimmed through this thread and just have to say... All of you Anti-Trumpers are idiots and really don't understand him at all if you think, for one hot second, that he's going to go down the "boycott the Beijing 2022 Olympics" road during a second term. His whole mantra is MAGA. It's about America WINNING. He's going to want our athletes going into Beijing and kicking some Chinese ass and beating them in the medal count. Furthermore, while 2028 is after he is out of office, you can bet your bottom dollar that he will absolutely be present and ready during the Paris 2024 Closing Ceremonies to accept the handoff of the Olympic Flag on behalf of the USA. He's not going to piss on the IOC. They're not the UN or NATO. He's all about the show and the extravagance and won't pass up an opportunity to rub shoulders with the various royals and jet-setters who run the IOC.
  10. I read this article earlier and the implication I came away with was that Reno-Tahoe couldn't see a way to make their financials work - there are infrastructure needs that exist for Reno-Tahoe which simply do not exist for SLC, regardless of which Games they wind up hosting. With most of the necessary infrastructure and major sites already in place, SLC is in a far better position to earn money if they do host in 2030, even if LA does have exclusivity over the marketing rights through 2028. Now, 2026 might be a different animal, but you can be assured that the IOC and USOC will bend over backwards to make SLC a reality if both Sweden and Italy bow out of that race, even if that means giving LA more money for lost marketing opportunities.
  11. That would be a small guarantee, and just for the first few days of the WOG, since the only qualified NK athletes are their pairs figure skating team and the pairs competition will be over by the middle of the first week. All Kim would need to do is bring them home as soon as their competition is over and then there would be nothing restraining him.
  12. If the US bid city fares as poorly in the voting as NYC and Chicago did then, yes, that will alienate the USOC from the IOC again. But, I don't think that's going to happen with the 2024 voting. As long as LA finishes a respectable 2nd to Paris then the USOC nor LA are going to necessarily feel snubbed like they were, especially in 2016. There's no shame in losing to Paris in the final round of voting and that's what I fully expect will happen. Budapest will be out after the 1st round, then Roma will drop, and Paris will take it in the 3rd round of voting. It probably won't be as close as, say, London-Paris or Beijing-Almaty, because like many others here, I think this race is Paris' to lose. But, I do believe that LA has a very strong plan and there will be sufficient enough support for LA to get them to the final round of voting. I also suspect that there will be a fair bit of "please come back for the 2028 bidding" quiet remarks shared over drinks and behind closed doors to the USOC and the LA organizers, both before and after the vote. I also completely agree that as long as the US is selected to host a SOG before 2032 then NBC, and the USOC, will be perfectly happy. NBC probably won't want to wait another 15 years (from the time the vote is taken in 2017) and I'd bet they also encourage the USOC and LA to bid again for 2028 should they lose the 2024 vote.
  13. Have to agree with those who don't see the single-run downhill going anywhere. If your city isn't close enough to a mountain big enough for an Olympic/World Cup level downhill run then you have no business even considering a bid for the WOG. I also agree about the sliding center being the bigger issue. Nacre mentioned Portland and Seattle as being close to their mountains. I can't speak to the feasibility of Seattle hosting a WOG but there's no way it will happen in Portland. While Portland currently has two 10,000-seat arenas, there's been talk this fall about demolishing Memorial Coliseum - not to mention hosting the Olympics would displace both the Trail Blazers and the WinterHawks for 2+ weeks. And there aren't any 5,000-seat arenas in the area nor is there a need for any - Chiles Center at University of Portland seats just over 4,800 but I don't think it's convertible to ice and I can't imagine that UP would be willing to displace their athletics teams for 2 weeks. None of the other universities in the region have arenas that seat more than 2,500 unless you want to drive down to Corvallis or Eugene, and that's not something that would happen for an Olympics bid, plus you run into the same issue as you would at UP - those arenas are used for the universities athletics programs and wouldn't be available. And that doesn't even touch on how unnecessary a speed-skating oval is for the region. I suppose something that could be converted into a community recreation/activities center like the one in Richmond BC is a possibility with the various neighborhood re-development districts within the City of Portland. Even if the nordic events were farmed out to Mt Bachelor (which I would expect in any serious discussion about Portland hosting), I'm not sure where a sliding center would go. There's no way it would be built on Mt Hood. Maybe Mt Bachelor if the nordic events are also placed there. It would still be a monstrous albatross. And therein lies the rub... Even if Portland had the necessary arenas, or the necessity and will to build them, there's still no way that the State of Oregon would ever build an Olympic sliding center just for the Olympics. There would, guaranteed, be a referendum, possibly statewide if a sliding center was proposed for Mt Bachelor or state monies were involved, and it would fail. Sporty we might be but no way would the money be forthcoming unless Phil Knight and Paul Allen anted up privately, lol.
  14. Why are we rehashing the 2022 vote in the Potential 2026 & 2028 bids thread?
  15. Agreed. In hindsight, any city the USOC would have put up for a 2022 bid would have come away the winner a day ago but, really, I can't fault them for focusing on a SOG. While SLC was 13.5 years ago, it is still more recent than Atlanta, which was 19 years ago. By the time 2024 rolls around, it will have been 28 years since the US last hosted a SOG, even longer if we have to wait until 2028 thanks to the Boston debacle. While I personally love the WOG more than the SOG, I can see why the USOC wants the SOG more and why we probably won't try for another WOG until after we've hosted a SOG. There's no way the US hosts another WOGs until the 2030s, I don't think, with 2030 only a possibility if the USOC gets very lucky and all the strong European 2024 contenders drop out of the race.
  16. Here's the key problem with Beijing's presentation today (at least for me, and probably for a lot of others around here)... Jawnbc called the Chinese Premier's message "passionless" and that is spot on, not just for the premier's message but for the entire presentation. Contrast that to fourteen years ago when Beijing was bidding for the 2008 SOG, where their drive and determination was palpable. This was uninspiring and lifeless in comparison. Maybe I'm just too caught up in hoping that Almaty wins. I like different. I like new. I think that Central Asia is a fascinating place and would love to visit there, even if it's just through my television set for two weeks in February 2022. China, especially Beijing, is really "been there, done that" proposition.
  17. Great presentation from Almaty. Let's see what Beijing brings before we handicap the final vote. But, having said that, I'm crossing my fingers for Almaty's success!
  18. I think he's trying to ask why Lausanne isn't bidding for the 2022 WOG, lol. Cinquanta is an obnoxious tool though, so it's just best to ignore him if possible.
  19. Oh, one other, very positive reason, why I'd like Almaty to win is to see the NBC heads explode. Just imagine the poor schmucks who draw the short straw and have to spend a year or so in Kazakhstan of all places doing all the terrible fluff pieces and prepping for the Winter Olympics. It makes my little, black heart sing, lol.
  20. I just can't get on board with Beijing being the first city to host both the Summer & Winter Olympics. Kazakhstan might be the most improbable country to ever host an Olympic Games if Almaty wins but I'd rather they get it than Beijing. It's a shame that Munich wasn't interested this go-round. They'd be a much more obvious and deserving choice for the honor of being the first city to host both the Summer & Winter versions of the Olympics and it would have been especially poignant coming 50 years apart.
  21. Honestly, I think that's part of what makes DC unique amongst American cities. It's probably my favorite city in the US after San Francisco. I love all of the museums along the Mall and I find the various monuments & memorials to be very moving. It's a beautiful city, any time of the year. I'm not even sure the humidity is as big of a deal as some have mentioned. If Atlanta can host the Summer Olympics during July/August then certainly DC wouldn't be any worse. Having said that, much as I love DC, I'd skip a Summer Olympics they hosted because I don't do humidity. Four years of college in Virginia was more than enough for this born and bred West Coaster.
  22. Exactly as you would any other structure. California's building code is a lot more stringent than any other state in the country when it comes to earthquake safety. I'm sure that any stadium to be built would be constructed to the highest possible standards of safety and with the best known engineering practices. I'm pretty sure that if the 49ers can build a new stadium in Santa Clara (a whole lot closer to the epicenter of the '89 Loma Prieta quake than Candlestick Point) and no one worries about the earthquake safety that a soccer stadium in LA can also be built with the same skill. Look, the bottom line, as anyone who has ever lived anywhere in California can tell you, is that both LA and the Bay Area are littered with faults, running through major population centers. Seismologists are constantly discovering that those faults don't operate the way they've been previously theorized. And, while the science is learning all sorts of new things about earthquakes and faults, no one has yet to figure out how to predict them. Yes, there are some amazing technologies that allow some small bit of advance warning (as we were able to witness in Japan three years ago) but the fact is, no one knows when another one, a big one, THE big one, will strike, and the best you can do is just live with it, prepare to the best of your ability and construct the strongest, most flexible buildings possible. Having lived in both California (I remember Loma Prieta quite vividly) and in Virginia (college for four years - lovely brick buildings, American gothic style and quite likely to sustain damage in an earthquake), I can assure you, I'd feel a lot safer attending an Olympics in California than I would almost anywhere else in the country if the biggest risk and concern anyone had was a potential earthquake, of any magnitude.
  23. Sure, in retrospect, it's easy to say that the USOC should have gone after a 20222 WOG, given the way the decent options for the IOC are dropping like flies. But, I'm not sure I think there was really enough time for the USOC to properly vet a 2022 candidate and come up with a winning, or even suitable, bid once they worked out the revenue-sharing agreement with the IOC. From that perspective, I can't say that declining to submit a 2022 WOG bid was the wrong decision. It's fair to say, based on what little we've seen of the USOC's hand here, that submitting a bid for 2024 is not a guarantee simply because the cities they would prefer to bid have said they aren't interested and the other internationally appealing US cities do not have the ability/venues to submit a workable bid. If NYC, Chicago or San Francisco were viable candidates we wouldn't be getting these "oh, it's no guarantee we're going to bid for 2024" comments out of the USOC. And, unlike the UK, I don't think the USOC is all that interested in LA hosting a 3rd SOG before some of these other cities are given a proper chance. I would like someone with more knowledge (and by this I mean factual information not subjective opinion) to explain to me why Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC or Dallas are not considered to be first tier cities but yet Miami is considered on par with NYC, Chicago, SF and LA. I can understand why San Diego isn't considered in the same class as those other 9 cities and won't disagree with those who dismiss it as a viable candidate city.
  24. Who do you think the USOC should go with? Denver? Because there are issues there that are just as great, possibly moreso, than whatever SLC or Reno present.
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