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  1. Barcelona "only" having to build a new speed skating oval, sliding center, ski jumps, and Olympic village puts them one or two billion Euros in the red with four white elephants on its hands. And that's before you consider the security and organizing costs.
  2. If I were the mayor of Torino I would be pretty OK with the idea of Milano and Lombardy paying all of the costs while hosting many of the competitions at venues in my city. You wouldn't need to bully me into that unless you expected me to help pay to build an Olympic village and fund ceremonies in Milano.
  3. The current plan is to build two new arenas rather than re-using all of the 1980's venues, which adds substantial infrastructure cost. This is dumb. They should do what L.A. has always done to the IOC and tell them to either accept the venues that exist or GTFO of town. Additionally the organizers want British Columbia to host the ski jumping. B.C. and Alberta are in the middle of a very heated trade war so there is a general lack of enthusiasm about sharing the event with each other. The organizers plan does not involve very much corporate sponsorship financing at the local and national level, which means the games will have to be funded through heavy taxation. The provincial government is not going to give the organizers as much money as they were planning, so the city would have to take on even more of a tax burden than originally planned. The city either has to find the money for a new NHL arena or risk losing their beloved NHL team, and they probably don't have the money to both build a new arena and fund the Olympics. With the price of oil in decline the regional economy has suffered. Canadians don't want to subsidize sport at the public expense any more than people in Italy, Germany, etc. Vancouver even rejected hosting the World Cup in 2024 despite having the most suitable stadium in Canada already built and recently remodeled. This one is just my personal view based on going to university in Vancouver, but I think a lot of Canadians don't like being associated with winter sports exclusively. Canadians get really angry when foreigners portray their country as a frozen wasteland and the winter games play right into that stereotype.
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    Sao Paulo is capable of hosting the Olympics. But it would not be wise for Sao Paulo and for Brasil to do so. Football stadiums are not a problem at the Olympics. It is the athletics stadium, huge aquatics center, the whitewater kayaking center, etc that are problems. Sao Paulo would need to rebuild Morumbi into an Olympic Stadium as neither Arena Corinthians nor Allianz Parque have a track.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    Except that the IOC may soon not have a choice for a compact bid. I agree that it would be ideal for them, for the athletes and the fans. But building a bunch of ice arenas for small mountain towns is often ruinous for the hosts. And there will soon be no winter Olympics at all if the IOC can't make the games work for the host communities.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    The ice and snow events being tied together is one of the causes of the winter games being problematic. There are very, very few big cities that need lots of arenas in the mountains. Even Vancouver and Denver are not actually in the mountains. Ski areas like Lake Placid or Vail would be great for the snow events, but once you force them to build a bunch of arenas the winter Olympics won't work for them. Similarly there are cities like Milwaukee, Minsk, etc that have winter weather, an existing speed skating rink and arenas but don't have the mountains needed. IIRC Milwaukee could host the ice events for the winter games without needing to build any new sports venues. It's all well and good to complain that this would make the logistics hard, but look at the bids the IOC is getting now. Calgary wants to use the ski jumps in Vancouver. Stockholm wants to use a sliding rink across the Baltic Sea and have the skiing 600 km away. Cortina is a five hour drive from Milan. The IOC isn't going to get a compact winter Olympics anyway.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    They have been interested in the past, but there is an obvious lack of mountains to make it work.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    What I am suggesting is separate bids. So a traditional alpine resort would bid for the skiing and snowboarding while a city would bid for the ice events.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    You mean like having the ice events in Vancouver, Beijing or Gangneung and the snow events in Whistler, Zangjiakou, and Pyeongchang? I volunteered at Vancouver and can assure you that the winter games are already well on the road to having two separate sites anyway. It took me several hours to get from my friends' suburban Vancouver house to Whistler during the games. So why not simply formalize it and let two cities in different areas (but still on the same continent) host together?
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    What they really need to do is to simply separate the snow and ice events. There are lots of cities like Minneapolis and Quebec that would like to host the ice events but just don't have the mountains for alpine skiing. Meanwhile there are few places in the world outside of the Alps and Norway that have large cities in mountains suitable for skiing.
  11. I understand why the IOC would want Stockholm. I don't understand why Stockholm would want the summer games. They already have great sporting facilities that host major international events, yet aren't big enough for the Olympics any more. So they would have to build a second major tennis center, a second athletics stadium in addition to their existing Olympic Stadium, etc. London and Paris are big enough to support two athletics stadiums, two major tennis tournaments, etc. Stockholm is not.
  12. Yikes. I'm not sure how or why the Swedish NOC thought Stockholm was big enough for the summer games in 2004.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    The IOC threatens to leave Switzerland if they don't host.
  14. Weren't the 1912 Summer Games one of the most cost effective in history? I personally think the Stockholms Olympiastadion is the best Olympic stadium of all time: at 14,500 seats it is perfectly sized for athletics events in Sweden and still organizes an annual athletics meet in the IAAF Diamond League. And Sweden even won the total medal count in 1912. Why specifically should the Swedes fear a repeat of 1912?
  15. Yes. In fairness Italy's unemployment rate is now down to under 10%. If the Italians really want to fund all of this then they could find the money. But that's not the issue. Do the Milanese, Lombards and Italians in general want to pay for a lot of white elephants? Milan has one arena suitable for figure skating and would have to build two more arenas for ice hockey, another for curling and then a speed skating rink. All of those will likely lose lots of money. Just like the working classes in revolt everywhere else in the western world, the northern Italian man and woman on the street would rather use their money on themselves than hand it over to the construction firms that make campaign contributions to local politicians.
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    Calgary 2026 and Salt Lake 2030?

    Sochi is doing fine, especially considering the poor economic condition in Russia overall due to Western sanctions. Although ironically that may be driving more Russian tourists to go to Sochi instead of foreign countries. Sochi/Adler is an interesting situation in Olympic history because the Russians spent heavily to create a tourist destination somewhat like the Spanish did in Barcelona. And thus far it is actually paying off. A semi-tropical tourist destination in their own country is perhaps predictably popular with Russian tourists. The huge price of building a tourist destination nearly from scratch is ironically the one part of the plan that has gone well. The white elephant sports facilities, doping, invasion of Ukraine, etc are the unfortunate aspects of the Sochi winter games rather than the infamous $51 billion expense.
  17. The Italian support will likely evaporate when the Milanese are told they will have to pay 1.5-2 billion euros to build three new arenas and a speed skating rink.
  18. I know. The literacy rate is only something like 40%. And if I were to choose a country in Western Africa to host a major even I would have picked Ghana instead. But there is a need to let Africa host some events and be a part of the international community, and the risk to athletes should be no worse than going to Brazil, Russia or India.
  19. Murder rate means murders per X number of people: usually murders per 10,000 citizens. The violent crime rate in Senegal is lower than either Brazil or Russia. Of course, but you can say the same things about Russia. And while Brazil is a more open society it has its own share of problems with corruption, poverty and police brutality.
  20. Senegal's murder rate is four times times lower than Brazil's. It's a Muslim country but there's little extremism there. (Well, not yet anyway.) I don't see why people would be any more afraid of Senegal than Russia or Brazil.
  21. There are lots of reasons for Canada to host another winter Olympics instead of a summer games in Toronto. Canada is really, really good at winter sports. It would likely "own the podium" again in a 2026 Calgary games. Meanwhile Canada would finish 16th-32nd at a Toronto summer games. The winter games are better for tourism than the summer games. Calgary would get a slight tourism benefit from hosting the winter Olympics, while Toronto's tourism economy would almost certainly be hurt by hosting the summer games. Calgary has much more need for the winter venues than Toronto does for the summer venues. Even if they wanted to refurbish the ski jumps it would "only" cost $500,000 CAD per year in maintenance. Conversely Toronto would have to waste $15-25 million CAD per year maintaining an Olympic stadium. Moreover if Calgary decides to build a large new arena that would end up being used by the Flames, while there is no obvious tenant for an Olympic stadium in Toronto unless the Blue Jays moved into a new athletics-to-baseball converted stadium. For Calgary in particular the motivations are obvious: to serve as a jobs program for its citizens, to renew its prestige as a winter sports tourism destination, to inspire civic pride and to attract businesses to the city. Whether those things are worth the cost is up for debate, though.
  22. I think the problem for the IOC during this era of populism is not only cost, but the entire concept of the plebs paying for something that benefits the "elites" or the establishment. Even if it is worth the money, people don't want to help out ski industries that mostly cater to the middle and upper class. Before the Whistler games an Olympic athlete from my state did an interview of the radio where she asked for public money for her Olympic training as her father would otherwise have to sell one of her many horses to pay for more skiing experience for her. I don't think that message would be well received today.
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    Calgary 2026

    I don't understand why the total costs for Calgary would be so high compared to Vancouver 2010 when you consider the fact that Calgary has way more in place than Vancouver did and has a much lower cost of living. (Calgary's cost of living is 31% lower than in Vancouver, so wages should be much lower.) Inflation of the CAD has only increased 15% since 2010. Are they using 2026 dollars (and thus assuming future inflation rates) or are these contemporary figures?
  24. If they aren't OK with it, then what is the point of co-hosting the Olympics? It's not as if South Korea has forced this on them.
  25. North Korea has the world's biggest stadium, a huge gymnasium, etc. If both sides genuinely want an equal sharing of the Olympics then North Korea can easily handle several of the major sports.