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  1. The Province, Page A17, 29-Jun-2006 Dangerous goods not a factor in stadium decision, Ladner says By John Bermingham A Vancouver councillor said he won't reject the Whitecaps stadium on the basis of dangerous goods that move through rail lines at the waterfront. Coun. Peter Ladner said yesterday that while he's concerned about hazardous chemicals, the risk has been known for years, and the Whitecaps are not to blame. "The dangerous cargo is not the central issue with the stadium," Ladner said. "If it's a critical issue for the stadium, it's a critical issue for everybody within a three-block radius of the railroad anywhere in the city." Ladner said city staff have long known that hazardous goods move along the CP Rail lines, and still allowed development. "I don't understand why this suddenly becomes an issue because of the soccer stadium," said Ladner. "If there's a danger in our port, then we should be dealing with it, regardless of the soccer stadium," Ladner said. "I don't think it's the responsibility of the stadium to solve the dangerous-cargo issue." City staff have said the issue of moving dangerous goods by rail needs to be resolved before the stadium can go ahead. Staff told councillors at a public meeting on Tuesday that they did not know the quantity or frequency of the dangerous goods. CP Rail provided city planners with a list of the top 24 dangerous goods going through the area. "What would need to be further investigated is the quantity and frequency of these dangerous goods, in order to be able to assess risk," said planner Kevin McNaney. "This is one of the fundamental issues that would need to be resolved if council chooses to move forward with the stadium proposal." CP Rail spokesman Ed Greenberg said the company cannot give out details of the specific substances for security reasons. Last year, 0.04 per cent of 280,000 rail cars were listed as "regulated commodities." Greenberg said they are mostly industrial and residential chemicals, such as newsprint chemicals, and are never stored at the CP Rail hub downtown. Greenberg said a list of the chemicals is given to Transport Canada, and it's also available to emergency personnel such as the Vancouver Fire Department on request. He said there hasn't been an incident involving a rail car at the hub in years. Transport Canada spokeswoman Sau Sau Liu said dangerous goods account for less than one per cent of the rail cars that pass underneath the proposed stadium. City council's hearing into the stadium review resumes tonight and is scheduled to conclude next Tuesday. And I find it funny that a man who thinks the stadium is bad for the city, thinks this is good for the city and Mr X, where did you get that info on Nat bailey? I looked for it but couldn't find anything. That would be great if it's true.
  2. Some of those concerns they raised last night made no sense. To the one lady who said it's only 12 ft away from her house and it would be impossible to sleep, how the hell do you sleep with the railway there anyways? And I loved the councilors reply to the toxic/dangerous goods point. If it's unsafe for the stadium, it would be unsafe for all of Gastown so why are we only hearing now during the stadium debate from these nimbys?
  3. It looks like those nimbys have rigged another poll. The CKNW online poll was at 78% in favour earlier in the day, now it's at an even 50-50.
  4. If you're not at the council meeting right now, you can watch it live at.... http://cityofvan-as1.insinc.com/ibc/mp/md/...17/1204/wv150en
  5. I thought this thread was about the Whitecaps stadium? Not far fetched ideas for improving BC Place which we'd all like to see, but realistically, will never happen.
  6. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...PStory/National VANCOUVER -- As the Vancouver Whitecaps soccer organization prepares to face a critical review of its controversial downtown stadium project, the club's director of operations, Bob Lenarduzzi, says that he is taking nothing for granted. "Sure, I feel a touch of anxiety," said Mr. Lenarduzzi, one of a handful of Whitecaps officials who are set to present their $70-million stadium plan to a committee of Vancouver councillors tomorrow night. Believing the team has outgrown its existing home -- the 5,700-seat Swangard Stadium in Burnaby -- the Whitecaps are hoping to attract more fans by building a new stadium over railway tracks that separate Gastown from the city's waterfront district. With an initial capacity of up to 15,000 seats, the stadium is expected to be a venue not only for soccer, but also for the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra, community events, and other professional sports, including rugby and tennis. Because Vancouver is the only major Canadian city without a large outdoor stadium, the project represents a significant missing piece of the city's sports infrastructure, Councillor Suzanne Anton said. Although the proposal is backed by overwhelming public support -- according to a preliminary staff review -- it will not move beyond the planning stage unless the majority of council members support it. That is why tomorrow's city hall meeting is crucial to a project that is to be built on a 10.5-hectare site acquired last year by Whitecaps owner Greg Kerfoot. To get the final go-ahead, the Whitecaps must persuade council that key issues, including the lack of street access, can be overcome. A long list of Vancouver residents will express their views on the project to council tomorrow night. The list includes Gastown residents who fear that the stadium will draw game-day pub crawls and block ocean views to residents, especially at a time when they are hoping that the redevelopment of the nearby Woodward's site will revitalize the area. "These guys need to respect the neighbourhood and build it someplace else," said Jean Swanson, co-ordinator of the Carnegie Community Action Project, a community group that speaks for 5,000 members, including Gastown residents. Because of that resistance, Mr. Lenarduzzi may have good reason to feel anxious ahead of tomorrow night's meeting. But in an interview, he insisted that concerns about the negative impact on Gastown are overblown and are being expressed by residents who have never attended a Whitecaps game. "Given the facts, I feel quite confident that we are going to be able to work through what the issues are," he said. A staff review of the plan indicates that lack of street access to the stadium is likely the biggest hurdle. Transportation consultants hired by the Whitecaps say that street improvements would be required to handle the outflow of 15,000 stadium visitors, with 30,000 visitors being more of a challenge in a future expansion. The initial review also says the stadium faces some significant design challenges in part because it will sit on a podium, nine metres above railway tracks near the heritage buildings of Gastown. The review said the Whitecaps may have to come up with an extra $50-million to cover the cost of a road network to move people in and out of the stadium. As a result, city council could decide that the existing plan is too complex and has little probability of success, said Vancouver planning chief Larry Beasley. Ms. Anton was more optimistic. "Staff is recommending that we don't say yes or no [to the proposal]," she said, adding that the Whitecaps may get more time to deal with issues such as road access and the social impact on Gastown. Whether the stadium ultimately lives or dies may also hinge on the views of Vancouver Port Authority staff, who are scheduled to participate at tomorrow night's meeting. "We support the stadium in principle," said Anne McMullin, a spokeswoman for the authority. "We see this as an interesting concept and we would like to work with the owner to address issues of road and rail. But she said the Whitecaps organization must keep in mind that the port has its own development plans for the central waterfront area. "Of course we wouldn't want the [stadium plan] to impact on any of our opportunities," she said. The stadium proposal at a glance The Vancouver Whitecaps soccer organization envisions a waterfront stadium like this one. It would seat 10,000 to 15,000 initially. Stadium plan The Vancouver Whitecaps soccer organization wants to build a $70-million stadium adjacent to the SeaBus terminal in the historic Gastown district. Built on a platform above CP railway lines, it would provide seating for 10,000 to 15,000 fans initially, but could be expanded with additional decks to eventually seat 30,000. It would be financed by Whitecaps owner Greg Kerfoot, a former software industry executive, who bought the waterfront site for $20-million. Users The stadium would be a venue for the Whitecaps men's and women's soccer teams, professional rugby and tennis, and the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra. Supporters Whitecaps director Bob Lenarduzzi says the club has outgrown its home at Burnaby's Swangard Stadium, and needs a downtown venue for the future development of both the team and soccer in Vancouver. Former mayor Larry Campbell and others say the plan is a "visionary project" that fills a void in the city. Opponents Critics argue the stadium is too bulky for the site, that it would become a venue for game-day carousing, and that it would block ocean views for residents who hope the redevelopment of the old Woodward's site will revitalize the area. Opponents want the Whitecaps to look at other venues, including the site of the former Empire Stadium at Hastings and Renfrew Streets. What's next The plan goes before city council tomorrow.
  7. That would be pretty sweet. This is what it looks like btw http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/photos/stadium/gel.html It kind of reminds me of the Georgia dome, only a lot nicer.
  8. I'd love to see sky train all the way out to UBC, or at least down Broadway to a certain point, but I don't think we'll be seeing that for a long time if it ever does happen. Not with the Canada Line currently in construction. This is the city site on it, as you can see it's pretty outdated http://vancouver.ca/engsvcs/transport/rto/...m_extension.htm
  9. Air India memorial planned for Vancouver's Stanley Park http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...69b&k=94858 VANCOUVER -- In less than a year, cracked pavement and an abandoned wading pool in a dilapidated part of Stanley Park could be turned into a beautiful memorial and children's playground to commemorate the victims of the 1985 Air India bombing. The federal government has offered the Vancouver Park Board $800,000 to redevelop the playground as a tribute to the 329 victims of a terrorist plot, hatched and executed from British Columbia's Lower Mainland. Park Board staff are recommending acceptance of the donation, followed by a summer of public consultation with a proposed completion date of June 1, 2007. The board will vote on the staff recommendation Monday. Vice-chair Ian Robertson said he would be surprised if it was not unanimous approval for the Air India memorial. "We're thrilled that the park board in an indirect way can be a recipient of this memorial and this commemorative donation by the government," Robertson said Thursday. "I think it is very timely." Eighty-two children were among those who perished in the bombing 21 years ago today. That makes the memorial and proposed playground development all the more fitting, Robertson said. "From the victims and their families' perspective, it is close to the ocean. It is also an area that I think if done properly could have a positive impact on children and young people for generations to come. It will be a place where the families can gather on occasion and remember their loved ones," Robertson said. "It is a very bittersweet thing that can happen." For Natasha Madon, who was just five when her dad Sam died aboard Air India Flight 182, said there couldn't be a more fitting tribute. As a small child, she used to play in the area now destined to become a permanent memorial to the victims of Canada's worst mass murder. "It is still important even 21 years later to do it," said the young North Vancouver woman. A beautiful commemorative wall was built on the west coast of Ireland, near the place where the plane went down, within a year of the bombing. "Not everyone can go to Ireland every year," Madon said. "It would be nice to have something in Vancouver. Stanley Park is a beautiful setting. It is a positive thing in that it is a park and people can come and see, but also enjoy the space." The financial commitment was first made to the park board by the previous Liberal government, which also declared every June 23 National Day of Remembrance for Victims of Terrorism. The current Conservative government is following through on both commitments, said Philip McLinton, spokesman for Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness. Despite the acquittals last year of two B.C. men in the terrorist plot, things seem to be happening again in terms of the the Air India case, Madon said. Just Wednesday, a judicial inquiry into the bombing finally opened after two decades of lobbying by relatives.
  10. I think it'll be great for soccer at all levels in BC, and I support it 100%, but I got a bad feeling it's not going to go through, or at least not as quickly as everyone hopes.... Either way, here's a couple of supporter sites http://www.friendsofsoccer.org/ http://www.stadiumnow.org/ Show up on June 27!
  11. Even though it doesn't mention it, I'm assuming the UBC arena will simply be built with the smaller ice surface?
  12. Vancouver dose have a large asian presence, if i am not worng, Vancouver has one of the largest Chinatowns, and I have seen some Vancouver 2010 Videos that had some use of the Asian flare. I've always been told Vancouver had the second largest Chinatown, only behind San Fransisco. But it's not just Chinatown, I'd estimate at least 1/2 the population at UBC is Asian.
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