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cfm Jeremie

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  1. I agree with most of what you said except for the "lost revenues" part. The Beijing Games will see record revenues and you won't hear any major sponsors criticise China and/or the IOC and withdrawing from the TOP programme. Even if there is some controversy around the Beijing Games, Vancouver and London are safe choices for the sponsors and you can expect theses Games to break all records in term of revenues (London has already signed more top tier domestic sponsors than any previous OCOG at this stage of preparation). But I do agree that the more negative coverage Beijing gets, the more likely the IOC is going to go with a safe choice for 2016, in which case Chicago, Tokyo or even Madrid would have the edge over Rio.
  2. No. As Faster and several pointed out, there are real means to put pressure on China and it is to become less dependent on goods manufactured in China. This would mean that the average Joe (including myself) would have to make an effort and change his consumption habits. Again, much easier to call for athletes, who have just been training their entire lives for this, to boycott the Games and have a clean conscience.
  3. Comparing Chinese government acts with those of the Nazis back in 1936 is an exaggeration and could actually be counterproductive, giving the Chinese food for their "the West is biased" counterattack.
  4. I agree 100%. But it's much much easier and less painful to call for a boycott (I mean who cares about the athletes anyway?).
  5. We all know that awarding the Games is never based on technical merits alone. TO 2008 team knew it when they entered the race for 2008 as did the other candidate cities. The Games are in Beijing there is no point in whining about "How great Toronto would have been"... The real effects of the Beijing Games will have to be assessed also in the years following the Games. A 1.5-billion society needs time to evolve. Although I strongly disapprove some of the Chinese government actions and policies, I think there is something incredibly hypocritical in expecting the Olympic Movement to achieve in China what most of our "all so virtuous" democratic governments haven't even tried (why is France willing to sell pretty much anything to China? why is Bush going to assist to the Games?). Have you heard any of our Western leaders making a clear statement about Tibet?
  6. And "Why punish the athletes" is a very good argument. I always like when people impose their views on the athletes. If some athletes make the informed decision of not taking part in the Games then I applaud them but who are we (and more importantly, who are our politicians) to decide for them? There are plenty of ways to pressure China: as far as the Olympics are concerned maybe the head of states can decide not to attend the Games. Braver would be to hit China where it hurts, the wallet (but yeah, that could hurt our wallets too so let's punish the athletes).
  7. 30 reported dead in the French media. I fear that unfortunately, the Beijing Games won't be remembered for the sports competition.
  8. Which leaves just one month for the final rehearsal of the ceremonies... It seems that - just for this part - we are heading to a new Athens.
  9. That's an interesting one: in the Olympic Charter from 14th July 2001, rule 68 states that "The Olympic Flame must be placed in aprominent position, clearly visible and, where the structure of the stadium permits, visible also from outside the stadium" such rule is not present in the 1St September 2004 version of the Charter However, I would be very very surprised if Vancouver doesn't have a Flame outside BC Place.
  10. Exactly. I don't think China's record has significantly decreased recently... Talk about hypocrisy. I suspect his role was minor anyway.
  11. I am not sure. Raffer Jonhson, final torch bearer in LA, was on LAOC board.
  12. Which temporary stadium? They used the ski jump arena. I think you are refering to Albertville that used a temporary theatre for its ceremonies. Back to Vancouver, I am not one of the forum ceremonies guru but isn't it kind of late in the process to have this kind of questions? With more or less two years to go to the Opening, I would think that some of the major logistical aspects of the ceremonies linked to the stadium would have been settled.
  13. What does that mean? James, you have to learn to read, listen and think. I never said Singapore was not capable of or that its infrastructure was outdated. What I said is based on facts (read Singapore and Moscow bid books as well as the various IOC reports): at the moment, Moscow has more infrastructure related to its YOG concepts than Singapore (not by much, I gladly admit) as well as more experience. And BTW, should you actually read an actual document, you would see that Moscow, besides its Olympic Stadium for the Ceremonies, is not really going to use "mega structure" and that its plan is in line with what the IOC has in mind for the YOG concept. Again, based on the last IOC report, it seems that Singapore is indeed more than capable of hosting, in which case I would like for them to host. But a Moscow victory wouldn't be a scandal.. "And, we have seen enough of Russia hosting this or that." Hmm I wonder how many events you have seen hosted by Russia....
  14. You don't get it. The main question is: which city, within the less than two and a half years left to the inaugural YOG, has the greatest capability of staging the Games? All other considerations ("It's Asia's turn", "I don't like Moscow"...) are secondary. Clearly, Moscow is one step ahead of Singapore at the present time (all the venues more or less ready including YOV, loads of experience to build on). This being said, it's clear that from the last IOC Evalution Report, that Singapore does not present significant risk and would be a great host as well. In which case I do think that Singapore hosting the inaugural YOG would be a greater symbol than Moscow (but there is little question in my mind that Russia would have zero problem hosting both the YOG and the 2014 Olympics: the YOG budget represents a tiny portion of the 2014 budget, the Russian federation could support it).
  15. Based on the second part of his quote " Still, people don't question Singapore's right to host the Youth Olympics just two years after Beijing", I think he was actually making the point that Sochi shouldn't prevent Moscow from hosting. Anyhow, I think it's besides the point. The question is not so much a question of continental rotation or not, of whether the cities are capable of hosting the Games or not but rather is the IOC willing to let "smaller" cities host the YOG or will it go with the "traditional" hosts. As I have stated before, I think it woul dbe a great symbol for the YOG to start in Singapore.
  16. Indeed. And yes Paris was lacking a powerful selling line. Basically, Paris was "boring". Technical strength alone was not enough, especially with candidate cities with more or less technically equivalent bids.
  17. Urban legend never backed by a single fact. Truth is that came the vote in Singapore, Paris was no longer the "clear" favourite and that people inside Paris team were anything but overconfident (scared to death would be more appropriate: felt London was gaining momentum by the hour and that there was not much that could be done; by the end of the campaign, Paris was basically hoping -certainly not confident- that it's technical strength would be enough).
  18. I don't recall any American city being underrated in profit of a European city recently... As for Asia, yeah I can understand PC being disappointed but that's about the only time in recent history that an Asian city was disregarded in favour of a European one. So I really think the "always" should haven't been in your sentence. This being said, I do hope Singapore will get the YOG in 2010 as I think they are more than capable and that they are a ore suitable host for the YOG if they are not meant to be a new mega event that only a handful of countries can host.
  19. Does it matter? Do you think that the experience earned staging the events I listed have been lost? Anyhow, since you asked, just in Moscow in the last 2 years: - Shooting European Championships February 2006, - IAAF Indoor World Champs in March 2006, - Wrestling European World Champs in April 2006, - Volleyball World League Final, August 2006, - Football FIFA World Champs Women under 20, August 2006, - Rhythmic Gymnastics European Champs, September 2006, - FINA World Trophy Synchronised Swimming, October 2006, - Judo European Champs under 23, November 2006, - IIHF World Champs, April 2007, - Volleyball, European Championship, September 2007. Moscow is scheduled to host the UEFA Champions League Final later this year, a stop of the Diving Grand Prix in April, the IAAF World Champs in 2013. St-Petersburg hosted the Fencing World Champs last year and will host the Trampoline World Champs in 2009. Seriously, if the YOG was awarded purely on experience of staging sports events, no vote would be needed...
  20. I am all in favour of Singapore hosting the 2010 YOG but I have to say that you are getting ridiculous. Moscow has loads of experience in hosting World Champs and multi-sports events. Moscow has hosted: - the WYG in 1998 (and 1998 is recent!) and International Sports Games in 2002 - Wrestling World Champs in 1995 and 2002, - Equestrian World Cup events from 1995 to 2004 - Cycling-Track European Champs in 1996, - Modern Pentathlon European Champs in 1997, - Wrestling European Champs in 2000, - Swimming World Champs in short pool in 2002, - Fencing European Champs in 2002, - Modern Pentathlon World Champs in 2005 and that's only in Moscow and not counting the dozens of Junior European and World Champs Moscow has hosted in the last ten years. Thanks to these events, Moscow has continuously upgraded the 1980 Olympics venues. So really, I wouldn't challenge Moscow in the field of experience.
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