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StefanMUC

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  1. No nationwide broadcast, but check br-online.de, sueddeutsche.de or abendzeitung-muenchen.de for results (and they will be posted here too ;-)) The article claims that Munich is sometimes very self-satisfied and doesn't want to take any risks. Unfortunately quite true...
  2. After 2 hours, already 14% participation (incl postal votes) in Munich proper - a lot of interest certainly. This should result in a clear result for one side or the other, and all online polls show that this may not be the side most of us here want to succeed.
  3. Nonody will eventually be happy with anything about Qatar 2022, except for the ruling family, some of their fans within FIFA and the team that will win the WC. It's been heading for disaster from day 1 and obviously Blatter & co. know it but have no idea how to elegantly avoid that disaster now.
  4. Of course life goes on, but runningrings just gave enough objective reasons why it is high time that Munich/Germany should get 2022.
  5. If only 2 of these 10 can't bother to vote though, it's not working out like that.
  6. Just to summarise ahead of tomorrow the conditions for Munich to go ahead: It's four separate referendums, all asking the same question (bid yes/no). For one side to win a valid majority in the referendum, it needs the following votes: 10% of all eligible voters in Munich and the counties of Traunstein (biathlon, cross country) and Berchtesgaden (luge track), 20% in Garmisch That's at least 107524 votes in Munich, 13966 in Traunstein, 8440 in Berchtesgaden and 4234 in Garmisch. Always provided of course the other side doesn't get more. If there's less votes on either side, that particular referendum is invalid and merely an opinion poll without binding power. In order to go ahead with the bid, DOSB and politicians clearly stated they only go for it with a 4:0 Yes, even if Munich approves and a smaller site says No. If the referendum is invalid due to low figures, they want to respect the outcome nonetheless and go with the majority decision whatever that is. Complicated :-)
  7. Takes a lot of "intelligence" to find out what could happen in such places, I guess. Might come as a shock to that conservative democratic government that some things may even happen also in same-sex accomodations...
  8. What would we do without Sepp Blatter?
  9. Shouldn't there be first steps first, i.e. a proper intention to bid before pulling out a logo, that even is not in conformity with IOC guidelines?
  10. You can also vote NO by postal vote...high turn-out as such is fine, but interpreting as an advantage for the Yes campaign is far-fetched IMO. Keep all your fingers crossed, people, I'll make a cross on the ballot tomorrow :-) But after all the negativity in comments everywhere, I really doubt it will pass.
  11. I think Falun and Östersund are both bigger than Lillehammer when the 94 WOG were awarded, so that can't have been the rason at the time.
  12. Didn't watch Munchner Runde, but his commentary yesterday was spot on: The IOC dies have a serious problem with attracting some dubious bids while others ( like Switzerland, Austria and perhaps Germany) can't get their public behind a bid anymore. His job is being a journalist - and he's critical, yes, which is a rare thing in nowadays media world which often seems to consist of paid PR reports... Does, not dies - Freudian slip while typing?! ;-)
  13. Bach never really seriously lobbied in 2018 either, so what's the difference?
  14. I admire your optimism ;-) The figures may not be representative, but the tendency is definitely there. I fear the Yes campaign didn't really gave an idea to sell their concept or counter-argument the No campaign. Three days til we know...
  15. Well, I guess it's game(s) over: A poll published in Sueddeutsche Zeitung today shows a 60% (out of ca. 13000 votes) No result in Munich. It was an online poll and is not representative, but they did a similar poll last year ahead of the referendum on a 3rd airport runway. There the Yes got a slim majority, while in the end the slim majority was on the No side in the referendum. Even among the Yes voters now, only half had a favourable opinion of the IOC - so that goes along with what I said above earlier. They must be eternally thankful in Lausanne that Oslo comes to the rescue - all this talk about the quantity of bids is hilarious since it's the quality that decides, and there it seems the IOC will only have one option left after Sunday.
  16. Dynamism...yeah, that's one way to describe China. Others would call it reckless disregard of human rights, environment or basic laws of living together. As for Oslo, I for one am happy with bids not spilling out senseless PR statements every two minutes.
  17. I guess they want to have a foot in the door for 2026, probably the same goes for Almaty too. Or they have info from within the IOC that their Winter bid might be looked at favourably already now, despite 2018/2020?
  18. And where's the risk in the 2022 Munich bid? Almost all venues are there too already... Yet, point is that IOC and FIFA/UEFA do have similar policies for contracting host cities/countries, but the IOC comes under fire while the others not really. True, Sepp Blatter is not well-liked over here, but nobody would have really dismissed a WC/EURO bid by always citing these contracting issues...
  19. Very much agree on both - I've yet to see a negative comment about Munich's bid for the EURO 2020 semi/final package, or about Germany's bid for EURO 2024...
  20. Why? Well, you gave reasons yourself already: If even small papers pick on the IOC contracts and all kinds of negative impacts, then why should anyone be surprised that the public opinion at least in several pluralist societies in Western Europe is not embracing the idea of hosting the Games with open arms anymore. You may call it double-standards by the media, probably true. But at the same time, if people aren't convinced it's the right thing to do, they won't be convinced by a media campaign trying to promote a bid. The concerns raised by anti-bid organisations in various cities should be taken more seriously by the IOC and not just brushed aside as in the past. Also, as I said before, it's not an immediate problem with Oslo in the mix, but should Munich say NO, there will probably not be a German WOG bid again for a long time to come, if ever. This would remove Germany from a not-too-long list of potential WOG hosts. Switzerland seems to have removed itself already too, judging by the Bern and Graubünden referendum losses in recent campaigns, and Austria doesn't seem keen either anymore after Salzburg's defeats. The refusal of a 2028 bid in a Vienna referendum recently may not be directly related to WOGs, but must be an indicator about the overall mood in Austria. For Europe, this leaves the ones we now have in the running like Krakow and Lviv, both at least for now with high risks, then Scandinavia (aka Norway, plus Sweden if the Are/Stockholm distance is ignored), some French or Italian cities which might have a go if their country's SOG bid attempts fail - or even daydreaming Barcelona. Not to mention the Balkans which really should have other, political and/or economical worries than Olympic bids. And not to forget that the Oslo referendum was also for a long time looking like a NO, which could have made the 2022 race even more of a choice between the least of evils than was the 2020 race. If the IOC can live with such a future selection of hosts, fine, but I think they would really love more "safe" options, especially from the Alps in coming bid cycles. So there might well be people in Lausanne lighting candles every day for a Munich YES, if only to make it a real competition and not just Oslo vs the rest. Would also not exactly be a thrilling prospect for Thomas Bach to have an anti-Olympics result in his home country just a few weeks into his reign.
  21. Well, the IOC wouldn't have an immediate problem since Oslo will be in the mix, but a further reduction of potential WOG hosts cannot be in their interest. But hey, maybe I'm just too pessimistic, the referendum passes and we'll see Munich in the race too after all.
  22. Getting a negative vibe just a week ahead of the referendum: Comments under newspaper or FB articles are almost all negative - if the NO campaign is a minority, it certainly knows how to mobilise. This may be crucial next sunday as I feel most people woukd probably like to have the Games but can't be bothered to vote, despite the ever-present Yes campaign posters, now including testimonials from well-known Olympic/Paralympic champions Markus Wasmeier, Georg Hackl, Maria Höfl-Riesch and Verena Bentele. If Munich, just like Switzerland, votes No, I wonder if the IOC starts reflecting why perfectly capable potential hosts shy away from wanting the Games...in the limited field of potential WOG hosts, this could be a problem in the long run.
  23. I guess the "mistakes" refer more to certain behaviour towards Garmisch landowners by their mayor or other bid officials, which clearly contributed to a tense atmosphere locally and casted a shadow on the bid as such.
  24. Today I received the election notification for the referendum, so it's getting serious :-) Again, local forums in Munich are in huge majority negative, but I guess most people don't care - which is probably the big question mark: How to mobilise support which surely exists? Main criticism is about the Games making Munich even more expensive than it is, and that you cannot trust the IOC and its "blackmailing" contracts. This time not so much on environmental issues, probably because there is less need for construction in the mountains than in the 2018 bid.
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