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  1. Shadowriver

    Tokyo 2020 Look of the Games

    I hope there design will be more interesting then once in Rio
  2. Shadowriver

    2023 European Games

    Sorry for double post but forgot to mention. Kraków by it self is probably number 1 place you can go to Poland as tourist, it's formal capitol of Poland and has lot of our history in it, there lot of things to visit. Entire surrounding area is probably most colorful and traditional one, including Zakopane which is called "winter capitol of Poland" it vicinity was reason why Karków was considered winter Olympic candidate. It's a lot of better region then Warsaw which lot of historic sites been destroyed in WWII or vicinity of Silesia Stadium (Chorzów) which is mainly industry mining region (but it has own traditional taste). Also worth mention there famous salt mine in Wieliczka new Kraków which sometimes alos used as event venue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wieliczka_Salt_Mine
  3. Shadowriver

    2023 European Games

    Them most biggest venue is Kraków Arena which now have sponsor name Tauron Arena, is a largest indoor arena in Poland, 5th in Europe with capacity of 22k. In sports so far was used as volleyball (which is probably most successful team sport in Poland), handball (which we had successes but know it in downfall outside of clubs) and ice hokey (which we stuck in doorstep of elite group), It definitely be used someway. It's newest and most ready for anything venue in there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauron_Arena Biggest outdoor venue is probably Stadion Miejski stadium with capacity of 33k, the football club Wisła Kraków which is it's operator had a lot of financial problems this season barely making alive this season. In Kraków 2024 winter Olympics plans it was considered as ceremony venue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadion_Miejski,_Kraków Other then that i don't know much of venues in Kraków, but in case of indoor venues there should not be a problem as every polish city has plenty of them. I found this articule showing pictures of variues of them in current state in perspective of European games: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ar/c2-14233331 I will translate them, in case of stadium it is mention it needs some renovation most impotently it needs road way in for vehicles if it will be considered for ceremony. The biggest pain ofcorse is outdoor atletics venue, there not much of those in Poland (ofcorse except small once that looks like one used in YOG in Buenos Aries) and it's main reason why regardless of being one of top nations (top in Europe always competing with UK in European medal tables) we never host any outdoor senior championships, as said before newly reopened Silesia Stadium is the first stadium in Poland which is top IAAF class stadium that can host serior europe and world events. The articule above mentioned Wawel Arena bad condition but with new tracks: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901571 https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901577 There possibility of using AWF (university) atletic stadium, but it would need ot be expanded: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901575 Therep plan to build 50m olympic swimmingpool, they mention that local area people do protests over it https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901627 New planned Wisła indoor hall, they mention they have problem financing it so far: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36902139 Planed Yacht dock in near by Płaszów, also looking for extra cash https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36902131 There already build mountain canoe track : https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901585 Near by there "4th stage" of expantion of sport complex with tenis courts, also looking for extra cash: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36902135 There also old courts near Wawel, but it needs renovation: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901573 Articule also mentioned there plan of building stadium of 4.5k cappacity in Garbarni sport club https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901581 There also Carcovia (2nd Kraków football club) Stadium with capacity of 15k, articule mention one of the sides is made to easily transform in to concert field https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901579 Nowa Huta stadium that is considered to be replaced: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901561 AWF hall with capacity of 1k https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901587 Hutnik sport club hall with cappcity of 1k https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901563 New Cracovia indoor hall also 1k capacity https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901559 Newly build stadium of Prądniczanki sport club also 1k capacity: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/krakow-ma-igrzyska-europejskie-2023-zobacz-jak-wiele-obiektow-trzeba-wyremontowac-i-wybudowac-by-dorownac-minskowi/ga/c2-14233331/zd/36901567 Rest of galley shows venues in Minsk to compare I cal also tell that city have a large expirance to host street cycling as it frequently been used as a time stage for Tour de Pologne which is biggest cycling event in Poland also part of UCI tour. Entire region around Kraków is used multiple time for it. The indoor cycleing track can be the problem as only such track in Poland is Prusków Arena near Warsaw, but it very good venue hosting top UCI events but in different part of Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Pruszków
  4. Shadowriver

    Paris 2024 ceremonies

    5 years is a lot of time and things may change, but with current way France is right now i would not expect much of a history.
  5. Shadowriver

    What if it's a digital reality Olympics?

    That sounds like far far from current reality + it not sport anymore if you got athletes acting in the studio ^^'
  6. Shadowriver

    2023 European Games

    Ever since renovated stadium since PZLA trying to get major event on that stadium, since we one of top athletics nations (specially on field) but we never had venue to host any bigger athletics event until now. Ironically this stadium titled "national stadium" by football fans as we usually win qualifiers with big teams there, British even called it "Coldron of Witches", which to this day polish media nicknaming this stadion that way, but ever since new "National Stadium" for EURO 2012 was build in Warsaw they name was moved there, you can still hear some hardcore football fans saying that true "national stadium" is in Silesia xd. Now PZLA try to make this stadion "National Athletics Stadium". But PZLA really don't like idea of multi sport European Championships as it complicates things for them. They try to propose candidature for 2022 but plan supposedly involved multiple polish cities but they give up the idea as ECM wants to host everything in single city and now trying to get pre-Olympic European Championship in 2024. But i hoping since now we got big event in Kraków year before and farther away from Olympics they might be more interested to participate, but i can see them go opposite way if they get that 2024 event.
  7. Bach just said the same thing ;]
  8. Shadowriver

    The Milan Cortina Italy thread

    Btw Val di Fiemme ski jumping hill is considered lucky to Polish jumpers so im happy in this in this perspective ;]
  9. Host press conference stream is up
  10. Shadowriver

    The Milan Cortina Italy thread

    Also Torino was in 2006 :>
  11. So Milan will be exactly 20 years after Torino :, which is kind of interesting
  12. Shadowriver

    The Milan Cortina Italy thread

    Well milano wins gz ;]
  13. Shadowriver

    2023 European Games

    I don't think problems are not sponsors, you got European Athletics Association hosting outdoor european championships between football Euro and 1.5 month to go Olympics, 2 biggest sport events for European countries in the year. I think major obstacle is events calendar and actual willingness for athletes to participate, as the major focus for EAA and main star athletes this year is world championship, and as you can see they don't multi sport event on even between Olympic year near World Cup (in fact they do that to get more sponsors interested), but they don't want to give up as European Championship (which btw is probably worst name they could pick, it near impossible to find any news about it) is a bundle of already established events associated to those European federations to EOC and Olympic banner independent to them. So there lot of conflicts and issues not really related sponsors to those two events and i think thats the main problem If European games fails (as it's in worse situation from the two), they either will need to give up the idea or talk to European Championship Management to give some kind of patronage to European Chempionship at least (for example to move European qualifier to Olympics to there)... or even turn entire thing to european Games as Hans suggests, which i think is valid possibility. WOG does not count as it concerns complitly different set of sport federations and YOG as well as junior sport events live in compliantly different layer of minor sport events which only interest really hardcore fans. There is really no major european events in those years and again you got european sport federations willing to make multisport event in that time spot.
  14. Shadowriver

    2023 European Games

    So far, this news makes less noise polish media then Wrocław winning World Games bid
  15. Shadowriver

    2023 European Games

    It's offical, Kraków will host the 2023 games, i actually didn't know we did bid. After Kraków 2024 winter olympic games bid debacle... im really happy about it, maybe it will improve confidence in hosting bigger events if done well ^^ https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/article231857403.html Well i hope we manage to boost popularity of those games since i like the idea, this will be biggest event since Euro 2012 in Poland imo, it will definitely be bigger then World Games 2017. Since Athletics is our main Olympic discipline i hope we will manage to fix this aspect of the those games.
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