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ScholaOsloensis

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  1. Thanks for the kind words. Hm, the media coverage has been very mixed. There has been a healthy dose of negativity, but not overwhelming. I wouldn't worry too much about negative media reports; they're always going to be there and it's important as well to make sure that money is well spent and the bid is as good as possible, also for the times before and after the winter olympics. Has Krakow any remaining obstacles such as government votings? The IOC is getting flamed though, I have to say, in the media here, and the fact that the federation plans to begin heavy and costly lobbying in Sochi (building a house of some sorts) has received a lot of imo well deserved criticism. But,, I don't know how you get the olympics......, I just hope it'll stay clean. The warsaw-krakow thing is definitely something I can recognize. I believe that as long as a bid makes sense, as I think Krakow's does, there's no reason for competing cities to be negative. If it's good for the city, it's good for the country generally speaking. We have these battles here too.. I can understand it if the argument could be made that City B suffers cause City A gets Olympics, but if it's a good bid, then I would claim that it's what we economics students would pretentiously call a Pareto improvement;-). Someone is better off without anyone worse off! No reason to moan then City B:-) I visited Krakow with my class when I was in junior high. Loved the old town, the church and plaza and the cosy streets! Surely a magical setting for a winter olympics and I think I would definitely visit again in 2022 if that happens. That's good to hear. Let's hope Justyna's foot heals in time. I believe she will be very, very dangerous on the 10 km.
  2. Lol. No reference to anything. What would that be? (rhetorical question) Just trying to lighten things up a bit. Hubertus is a legendary alpinist, competing in Sochi at 55.
  3. Mr.(mexican)/Prince(german) Hubertus von Hohenlohe-Langenburg agrees.
  4. Ehm, not that it matters, but try googling "how old is norway" and you'll find that it was founded in 872 AD. The equivalent year for Poland is 966 AD. About 30 percent (real numbers are prob higher) of the population in Oslo are immigrants or children of 1st generation immigrants, which for the record, is something i view as exclusively positive. But again, not that it matters; just addressing your ignorance. I'd be happy with a polish games. If both Oslo and Krakow goes ahead with a serious bid, I'd say IOC is in good hands with respect to enthusiasm for the games. The polish are the best skijumping fans in the world by far for the time being. During SLC 2002, the local media referred to Soldier Hollow as a ghost town due the lack of spectators. And this in the words greatest super duper nation of gazillion peoples and dollars. So as much as size matters, the winter olympics is an event that doesn't automatically become a "great success"; there are many obstacles. It's not like the world cup where people will show up around the world. Many will say that SLC were great games and in many respects they were; in some others they weren't. The IOC, luckily, measures "success" or even "legacy" in more ways than just how "coked up" you can make the games (with reference to your focus on marketing and sponsors). Also, it's like you're trying to say that the asian, american and other european markets become irrelevant if it were to be hosted in *one* european country? Then I have news for you, we're no longer in 1924, There are TV deals and marketing deals negotiated for regions around the world. Sponsors get exposure around the winter olympics interested world regardless of where it's held. In this context you might as well view the european economic zone (in to which Norway is integrated despite not being an EU member) as a "market". Obviously it's an intricate matter and a WOG in Germany would make more money, but that doesn't mean that you can derive the commerical value from a simple formula based on population numbers in host countries, which is something that really should be self explanatory. As for your argument that there's nothing new. Yea, it's a good point - the best point, though I don't agree there's nothing new at all. What is new is that you'll have a big (in WOG context) city that will actually see much more than indoor action, in fact, all the action except alpine+sliding events. Except it's not new, but 1952 doesn't really come into play and the city is vastly different. It just depends on which priorities one has, where the olympics have been prior and where the powers that be, see it fit to go next time. Is the olympics exclusively a mean? Obviously it's a combination. As far as I'm concerned Poland has a strong bid, so I see no reason to downplay it or "attack it"; so that's not my intention, but you say things that don't make much sense.
  5. Not exactly inside info, but the latest signals point towards the parliament majority leaning yes. The "Progress" party (holding an important key, given that they are the second player in the majority coalition) has turned 180 degrees, which is big news. They do this several times a year and it's a stupid, ridiculous party that I had wished never would set foot in the government, but nonetheless they are now in favour of approval. The conservatives is the largest party in both the national government coalition and the city government coalition, and many of the politicians from this party has been early supporters of the bid. It would be very strange if they back down now. What the other parties do is in the blue as far as I'm concerned, but with the dynamics of a majority coalition, the likely outcome is that the government reps, holding majority in parliament, will vote yes (read: a deal is struck if disagreement), and if not all do, I'm certain that there are supporters among the opposition as well. I'd guesstimate about 75/25 now, up from 50/50. But hey, I don't really have a clue.
  6. It's not realistic. Reason these magazines etc predict this is that they won 17 golds in the last cycle of championships for nordic skiing, alpine and biathlon, but since then several athletes have dropped slightly in their performance (Berger, Northug (virus during preseason) and Bjørgen) and the competition is fiercer. I'd say 11 golds is a realistic achievement, but if everything goes smooth, it could be more. It could be less as well. Looking at the sports betting markets, 11-12 golds seem to be the expected number. AP's predictions seem to be insightful in some places, but completely off the chart for some other events. It's extremely unlikely that Lund Svindal wins super combined for instance, though he could grab a medal with some luck and overachievement in slalom.
  7. Even though Minerva ordered the poll, I think it's safe to assume that the results are fairly representative given the question that was asked. In other words, if you ask the majority of the norw. population if Oslo should get financial guarantees (very different from a question like "should Norway host the winter olympics?"), it's a given that more people will say no. For someone familiar with regional "battles" and the history of former applicant processes, it's hardly news. If you ask anyone in the north (bitterness after Tromsø 2018) or in the west (separatist Bergensere that are anti-østlandet) if anything should happen or if any money should go to Oslo, they'll probably answer no. The battle that matters for the Oslo 22 bid org, is the one happening in the governmental corridors. If you're on the yes side, some battles have been won, such as the external reviews (that killed Tromsø 2018) and the fact that not all politicians have flagged their negativity; though some have. But it's really in the blue which deals can be struck etc. Right now it's impossible to say where the majority vote will end up. It's about 50/50; which is better than what Sthlm had, since that bid was never going to happen, but if IOC isn't happy with Poland or Beijing, they should be sweating already. Though I believe Krakow is an excellent and viable bid and we know that the chinese will happily take the bill if no one else does, so in the short term no reason to panic, but of course, IOC does have an "image" problem in the west that it will have to deal with long term.
  8. I'll try to look past the norwegian gold rush that is coming up in Sochi.. The most memorable athletes are impossible to predict in advance. I'd say every underdog achievement, and esp if they're from a non-traditional nation in that sport, is a great story. I don't think anything is ever going to beat Steven Bradbury's gold in 2002, but there will always be surprises and stories. The hockey tournament is always a highlight. I've been fascinated by the old soviet hockey teams that destroyed its competition. The russians always play technically and fluidly; a final between Russia and USA on russian soil would be a very special thing cause of history. Personally, I'd like to see a good farewell competition from Ole Einar Bjørndalen. He's old now and hasn't done anything remarkable for a while. It'll be his last olympics for sure. Another veteran that as far as I'm aware will compete in Sochi is Noriaki Kasai the skijumper, a personal favourite. He's 41 years old and have already competed in six winter olympics, so that would be his 7th. That should be a record of some kind. Too bad Lena Neuner has retired though.. I also enjoy watching sports where i have no idea who the winner will be or how the point system works, for instance half pipe, curling or ice skating (no, not really). Those sports you don't normally follow, but that you do cause of that olympic buzz.
  9. Sure, it'll be possible no doubt. But I think "many" people will be unhappy about it. They will have to get used to the snow conditions, race course etc in Stockholm. It's become quite normal to have "show races" in slalom in the world cup in cities that they can do in a hurry, but i'm thinking that for the olympics, they'd like to be as well prepared as possible. I would like to hear opinions from people in the know though; if this is something they're cool with. It's not about the number of athletes though; we're talking about top contenders here. And you're right that few compete in both the technical disciplines and the speed disciplines, but many compete (and with good chances) in giant slalom and slalom, and there's the supercombined, which will also see competitors in slalom, So I'm just saying that it makes more sense to have all the alpine events not too far from each other. However, the artificial hill slalom race in Sthlm could def add some to the spectacular factor.
  10. This is true of course..: -), but the technical specialists would still need to settle down in the Åre village for the super combined, then wait for the giant slalom (if they do that) and then a quick turnaround before they re-settle in Stockholm for the slalom event. Of course they can design a schedule making it possible, but it just doesn't seem like a very good plan..., given that many athletes will have to compete at two different and distant places during the olympics. I think there's a lot of tension because Stockholm has a couple of fans (as well as non-fans to be diplomatic), and since there are so many uncertainties with all the bids, there are many potential winners even if it's not yet technically or financially sound, but who knows what'll happen the next couple of months.
  11. This is a good point. I suggest the next winter games should be held during summer, anywhere in the world. There are already working solutions to most disciplines. Skijumping is done with porcelain track and plastic grass. Other variations of skiing would be done with "rolling skis"; the sliding events could take place in a water world. Ehm.., there would be some challenges with the alpine race, but nothing that can't be fixed with a big screen, takeout pizza and the latest PS console. When we've been there, we should perhaps aim for the moon, but the differing gravitational acceleration will then pose a real challenge for our ingenuity, but I guess that's what's gonna it so much fun. :-)
  12. One popular theory is that the users of gamebids generally base their affections on whether they find the people (of the relevant gender) of the bidding nation sexually attractive. For the record, I'm on the fence about this theory.
  13. This is a good point.. You're right in that slalom/downhill is a rather rare combination for athletes in the high profile competitions, but that doesn't matter for slalom+giant slalom is normal and there are also those who can be competitive in both the technical disciplines as well as the speed disciplines. Another problem is of course the combined event, that i've mentioned before, or the "super combined" that is now the format used for the olympics. That is one run of slalom and one run of downhill, usually at the same day. Needless to say, this can't be done if Stockholm is going to have slalom. It's not just the travel in between runs, but they need access to the course for training. So the answer to this is that the swedish bid org will find that slalom has to be bungled up with the other alpine events in Åre.
  14. lol@Bjerke Travbane. Are these guys serious about this? When I first read about bjerke, I thought we had someone trolling in the bid organization. Talk about romantic setting for an OC; amidst horse manure and dusting wood stands. Thanks for the pics. I agree with you about the bay/"fjord". Bjørvika should be finished by 22, so it should be possible to do something between Vippetangen and Sørenga + the opera roof. So for me, the bid org should go with either Holmenkollen or some place in the bay.
  15. (my underlining) Oh yeah, that might be true, I wouldn't know, but we all know how budgets tend to expand. I was more curious about what you thought of Sthlm's budget though at 1,85 usd billion.
  16. So since this is the Lviv thread, I guess it's appropriate to announce that the city has formally declared its intent to bid. The GB article seems to suggest that it's a 1 billion usd project. AP says otherwise, that is, a 10 billion usd price tag. So I guess **** happens when you're an internet journo:-) , or just a volunteer, but they're of course excused given the excellent site we're getting. However since it's a more than minor difference, people should be aware anyways:-) I haven't actually looked up a ton of sources, so if GB turns out to be right, then sorry about that.
  17. yea I suggest we not hijack this thread further. did i mention she's actually really hot
  18. Lol, if you'd visited this thread earlier, you'd seen it's not the first time FYI and I 've been doing this. But thanks.. Pixie, are we friends now. Pixie, your place or my place? fyi she's a hottie
  19. Lol ok, that's fine then (Someone should probably tell GB that something went wrong) But incorrect information from gamesbids doesn't change what we know about sthlm's budget. Do you really see it as realistic? 1 euro is 1,35 usd, so that is investments about 350 usd million "carrying out costs" about 1,5 billion usd And summed up about 1,85 billion usd.
  20. Dude.. according to AP, Lviv plans to invest 10 billion dollars, http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/lviv-submits-bid-host-2022-winter-olympics-163125126--oly.html While Sthlm/Åre plans to invest 2,5 billion SEK before the olympics, while they're "carrying out" budget is about 10 billion SEK. That is not much more than 250 million euros for investments and they're building most outdoorish things from scratch.. including .. wait for it.. an artificial mountain. Summed up, it's about 1,4 billion euros. Sorry to keep going about this, but it just seems strange to denounce Lviv's budget when Sthlm is by far the city with the lowest budget, and in a higher cost country.
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