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  1. It's sad that the EU, which has been such a successful co-operation project is viewed this badly in parts of europe incl. UK. Generation Erasmus is growing up and younger people and politicians in continental europe (even in my own country, which has voted 'no' twice due to historical traumas with unions) are increasingly confident in thinking in european terms. My belief is that neither the UK nor the EU will benefit from this, and a successful brexit no matter how absurd it sounds, will be the victory of negative energy over positive energy, of nationalism over co-operation and of noise over reason. The euroskepticism is undoubtedly linked with the financial crisis and especially with that in the eurozone which carries extra symbolic value. This crisis will eventually be overcome, but the economically unwise decision to call on unnecessarily tough austerity measures (in 7 words: downtimes? = short term spending, long term sustainability) will postpone the recovery and the economic level of development will at a given point in time be lower than it could have been, had the sounder policy been adopted. This has little to do with the EU, but more to do with the political beliefs that are held in national offices. Realistically, I'd be very surprised if the political establishment in the UK is mentally ready for an exit and everything that comes along, despite what Cameron communicates..,
  2. I'd say Müller, but he prob should have done more in the final. Had it been him and not Götze, he would've taken it for sure. I agree that Messi played well.
  3. Fantastic tournament Brazil. One of the most enjoyable sporting events I can remember. Germany has a great team individually and collectively. The fact they were missing Khedira tonight, had maybe their best offensive talent injured (Reus) before the WC and could still bring in Götze and Schürrle from the bench is telling of the depth of talent in the german squad. When they're playing as well as a team as they do with simultaneous movements, one touch passing and players in front of the ball it's almost impossible to defend against, even for Argentina who's played insanely well defensively this tourny. In the end it feels very right that Jogi Löw's able to take this generation to a well deserved title. The final was very satisfying for a neutral, tense and entertaining from start to finish. Lots of talk about Messi and what he could've done or not tonight. He's had a good tournament and made a number of good plays in the final, but couldn't find his magic wand in the end. Can't imagine how it feels for Higuain though. Too bad it's over already.
  4. "This page" as in this thread or gb.com? If so, i'm afraid you've misunderstood me. It's a messed up world, that's for sure.
  5. Then we disagree. I've seen many deserved tributes to those who sacrificed their lives during the landing of Normandy, but too often and for too long has the war crimes inflicted upon the civilian population been an untold story. The bombings of Normandy were not a necessary evil and usually overlooked. The SS divisions especially were monsters, and we presumably all agree that the regime they represented was pure evil if it ever existed. The general sentiment is though, as evidenced here, that whichever evils we did were necessary, which I vehemently disagree with, although I recognize the occasion is perhaps a wrong one for this view and for that I'm sorry. Empathy? Well, I don't believe in free will so I feel sympathy with any being that suffers for whichever reason.
  6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Normandy You can see the references on wikipedia. I don't know why the estimates vary, but whether it was less than 40 000 or 50 000 isn't significant. I agree that war crimes are generally part of war, however I think we should have come far enough to tell the entire story of the war, even when our side fought a regime that was an embodiment of evil. There was a culture of total destruction with little to no concern for civilian loss among officers in the british and american air forces. In the trade off between "our soldiers" and the security of civilians, the former won complete allegiance. Which is also part of the reason why many of these bombing raids were useless, the bombers didn't dear bomb close enough the german lines since they were afraid of hitting their own soldiers. What positively separated the allied forces from the axis forces was a political leadership that were generally more concerned with loss of civilian life and moral accountability than obviously its axis counterpart, but this didn't always translate to the battlefield. While we should of course understand the losses and horrors associated with liberating europe and getting rid of Hitler, in no way were many of the war crimes, especially those inflicted upon the civilian population after the axis forces were driven away, necessary or of any military value. Any excuse of them being done, must be seen in a very dynamic, fatalistic perspective where we accept our own inevitable evil to drive out a greater evil. There should be room to criticize the many specific actions that were not only war crimes, but morally disgusting from our point of view, especially since the propaganda associated with war efforts have done so much to overshadow these actions that many are completely unaware of them or don't want to hear anything about it. It's important to get rid of the long lasting notion of moral exceptionalism that is often attributed to the allied forces, and which has perhaps in part enabled a number of devastating war efforts post WWII. This should be done without in any way belittling the importance of what the allied forces fought for.
  7. Please also remember the ca 50 000 civilian casualties in Normandy of allied bombings before, during and after the d-day. Bombing raids that were largely inefficient and counter-productive. For some reason, they never seem to be mentioned in all those great documentaries and TV shows. While each and every allied soldier risking their lives did something honourable and extremely important, it's discomforting to see a story generally told so partially. It's understandable that we want to glorify the generation that liberated europe from the nazis, but there was lots of rape and looting in Normandy as well done by some allied liberators( http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/new-book-reveals-dark-side-of-american-soldiers-in-liberated-france-a-902266.html , http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/05/women-victims-d-day-landings-second-world-war ). War is ugly, and it's very hard to come out of it deserving to be called heroic. Many individuals deserve that term and more, but few war efforts should be glorified too much, this one being no exception. As for the military operation, there were so much incompetence going on during that operation, on both sides, it's almost hard to wrap one's brain around. Omaha beach must've felt like something out of Dante and it's unimaginable to have to go through that hell.
  8. Small birds are whispering from the corridors of government, and they're telling us "no". Looks like the progress party will shut down the bid, but it's very unconfirmed. Since I've grown colder to the idea of OSL2O22, I'm not too bummed. Bitter for the bid org who prob felt very close to the prize (, or the bill). But it would make the race very interesting. Feels like an Agatha Christie novel.
  9. 5 positives, but 4 are for the known contaminant Methylhexhanamine. Basically, everyone who gets caught for this stimulant will use the "vitamin", "sports gel" "energy bar" defence, cause it's known to be a contaminant in some of these products without being on the label. So as an athlete you can try to prove that it was a mistake as the cyclist Rui Costa succesfully did, but that will certainly take some effort and hard evidence. Many athletes might use this stimulant for its performance enhancing effect, we simply don't know, or they were just stupid and unlucky. It's just hard to believe that so many pros would be that careless. Use "safe" vitamins/proteins for god's sake..., Getting busted on EPO is a wildly different animal. Then you're a blood doper and you know the tricks. In my opinion, there's no reason at all to let people caught for EPO or other forms of blood doping back to sports. If it's unquestionable, it should be a ban for life.
  10. Yea, I noticed that... very weird. Apparently, the IOC had a press release out earlier tonight, but they removed it. I'm thinking they're doing some information control, making sure his family knows and that all the right persons and federations are aware, or someone has screwed up.
  11. Norwegian media reports that Johannes Dürr's sudden rise to "stardom" (3rd at TdS this year) might have been fuelled by EPO. He went back to Austria to prepare for tomorrow's 50 kms. When you do EPO, you have a time window of.., I believe 24-48h depending on the dose, where you don't want to get tested, but the performance enhancing effect lasts much longer. He obviously didn't expect to be tested in Austria when everyone was in Sochi, but he was and it turned positive for EPO. This might be a break through for what has been reported as the doping hunters being more focused on suspicious athletes. If the austrian ADA, which I have no knowledge of, takes blood samples and not just urine samples, as many ADAs unfortunately still do, they can make a blood profile and find indirect evidence of blood doping. And if the evidence are strong enough, they can catch him on that alone, but they can also target test and increase likeliness of finding EPO traces. This is a bit more dramatic than Sachenbacher-Stehle in my opinion, if the reports are correct. Sad, but very very good that they are able to catch someone for EPO. It's been a while now.., Very hard to say exactly how wide spread the use of EPO/blood-doping is.
  12. Hearing that it's a stimulant. Could still be that she messed up with some "vitamins" or maybe partied too hard. It's useless to test for EPO/blood-doping during the olympics anyways, so I'm always surprised that people get caught by the IOC testing, which I consider almost to be ceremonial. Except when they have had a breakthrough testing method that hasn't been revealed to the field. Olympic testing probably more relevant in 4 or 8 years time, as the revelations from Turin suggests.
  13. About a lighter matter, the logo:-) Wow, it was a bit hard to "swallow" at first sight. But it could grow on me.
  14. As if you hate to mention it. Someone once told me "you're so fake it's a joke". Someone who also speak fondly of not resorting to insults. You know what I'm a big fan of? I'm a big fan of correct representation of facts and reasonable conclusions. What you've written in this paragraph is simply not true. There's not a surge of far right extremism or violence; that's a ridiculous statement; there is generally little violence and very little violence related to race or such things. There's basically next to none neonazism or organized racism. The issues all countries in this hemisphere faces are serious and important, but not something to distort and emphasize the way you do. Huge hostility towards LGBT? What are you on? About security. I see no reason to go into a debate about the police's efforts that particular day, which is a complex matter of its own. What's clear is that there's generally little violence and that security is taken seriously, is heavily invested in and that efforts and budgets for that department will be more than adequate if the olympics arrive in 2022. "Norway/Sweden/scandinavia". Hm, no. You never told me remember. I do know that you wrote this in september: And I know that something happened between then and now, and that it explains your views. To be clear, I've no problems with you or anyone else for that matter opposing the bid. I have a problem with your gross misrepresentation of facts in matters which are not trivial at all, as welll as "intellectual dishonesty".
  15. Krow. yea. My hair is just average. --- So I've been up all night and watched a freaking qualification event, and it was pretty great. Maxence is taking this easily.
  16. Your understanding of the specific situation in Norway is very flawed.
  17. Hm, all societies have problems. No, the progress party is not a "far right movement" party.They are a right wing populist party that is all over the place, including more government spending, a very pro-Israel stance, christian values etc, yet at the same time cheaper booze, better roads and less immigration and many other things depending on which brilliant ideas enter their heads. I say they are not a "far right movement" to distinguish them from other european parties such as SD, which has its roots in neonazism. FRP (the prog. party) has its roots in neoliberalism and populism. That being said, it's very difficult to place FRP in the political landscape, due to the traditionally conflicting nature of many of their viewpoints, so that it's often labelled far right abroad is understandable. They are a populist, (centre-)right party with roots in neoliberalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics , Here you can see how it's distinguished from "far right". I can't keep track of what bad things and associations individual members of this party are responsible for, in france or other places, though I have to say, knowing you and what you've said about FN, I think you wouldn't only dislike them (frp). Breivik tried to radicalize a local youth group of FRP, but he was rejected and spoke negatively of the party, saying it was too moderate and didn't "have the balls". Uhm, my disgust of political or moral view points are not limited to far right parties. FRP is not SD. Yes, there's absolutely xenophobia among their ranks, especially among elder folks, which alone does not make it a far right party, which is an issue of political orientation, not degree of "evilness". The progress party has had several openly gay politicians (and several scandals relating to these having sex with minors in the youth org, but I digress...) and they are now fighting for gay rights. Why? because it's become unpopular to do the opposite. See article: http://www.nettavisen.no/politikk/article3628809.ece What do you mean Breivik wasn't a lone wolf? If you have evidence of the contrary, I suggest you present them to the police which would be highly interested. The knights templar order he claims to lead is by all accounts imaginary. Yes, Breivik killed 77 people. The scale of the crime does not change whether he was a lone wolf or not. Are you saying everything would be different if Breivik had only killed 4? I don't get your logic. Let's stick to the evidence. Needless to say, far right violence should be taken extremely seriously and be combated. Neonazi and far right movements in norway have been relatively small and disorganized. If you don't believe me you can ask various watch groups. You and I both know very, very well, that it's not true that you don't have anti-feelings, a fact that I can easily support with evidence, though I will not. You shouldn't perpetuate that lie anymore, when it becomes so relevant for the discussion.
  18. The progress party is not a "far right movement party". They are populists. Their main policy will always be fewer taxes, cheaper booze, more libertarianism (when it see their popular points fit) and less immigration. They're the party for people on benefits, pensioners, uneducated people that live in smaller, homogenous cities or suburbs. That's their social basis, supported by not only their rhetorics, observation of their members, but also more scientifically sound research. The bid committee hired a gay choir. You apply the simplistic interpretation. I don't really want to discuss Breivik with you, seeing as you're using a very tragic event (also on a personal level) to support a very strong viewpoint that in general has less to do with the arguments you bring forward and more to do with an extreme anti-scandinavian antipathy. In the spirit of intellectual honesty, it would be refreshing if you just said what you meant. The two sets of principles that one can infer from your arguments against Stockholm and Oslo are not consistent and points to an underlying guidance. Though I want to say this, Breivik and Vikernes were lone wolves and both have experienced rejection from the milieus they tried to fit in to. There are few skinheads, neo-nazis etc here. Racists both here and elsewhere disgust me, as does also the progress party for a variety of reasons, xenophobia being one of them, but I would be careful about using the Breivik case to explain vastly more than circumstances around Breivik himself, even when there are important implications for society as a whole. I hope my view points do not come across as creating a picture of Norway as heaven on earth.
  19. Firstly, your posts are appreciated:-) I've seen you mentioned Oslo's, or rather, Norway's non-membership of the EU as a possible big factor several times. I really, really doubt that it's a factor at all. Norway's a member of Schengen, and the european economic area through the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) and adopts all kinds of EU legislation. Whether norway's stronger or weaker within or outside the EU is a perpetual debate, but nonetheless, not very relevant for this bid race. Those supporting Krakow would might want to see the olympics in a different region (from europe) if Krakow has made it clear they will try again.
  20. To be clear, it so happens that the bid committee chose a very popular gay choir for entertainment at their presentation tomorrow and a local newspaper wanted to make a spin on that. It'd be overly cynic to view it as machinistic propaganda.
  21. Shaun White fell and hurt his wrist, but it's not serious. The slopestyle course is apparently demanding and should hopefully induce a bit of creativity. But no more injuries now, please. Terje Håkonsen is cited in newspapers here being very critical to how standardized and "olympified" snowboard has become. Sage is prob the athlete who's closest to Terje in "ideology" among the competitors in the olympics and he was very positive of the course, so maybe there's some light after all. So Horgmo and Sjåstad Christensen are both out with injuries. Big blow to norway's medal chances in snowboard and freestyle skiing.
  22. Oslo 2022 hires norway's "most smashing" gay choir for logo presentation From the article: In Russia, recent legislation has limited LGBT rights. Oslo 2022 has different thoughts in mind, and has decided to use Oslo Fagottkor as entertainment for their official logo presentation. (..) There's been a heavy storm around Sochi and the russian gay legislation, this engagement isn't a nod in that direction? - No. I have honestly not thought so much about what other thinks of us hiring them, just whether they fit in with us. And they do. We're focused on promoting our values, openness among other things. If it's noted, then that's of course a good thing. But first and foremost, it's important that the choir stands for the same things that we do..they're fun, playful and entertaining, and I also believe their show will compliment nicely the logo that we're presenting on thursday.
  23. I believe we're following the same SSC threads:-) Chobham Manor looks very promising London as a whole is buzzling. Must be exciting times.
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