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  1. No government financial support

    No hope of success

    Especially when considering the utterly ridiculous distances between Stockholm and Are

    After all, Oslo can always be persuaded to use Norefjell which is 130km from the city.

    Even still Oslo-Kvitfjell is 228km, Stockholm-Are is 634km, Beijing-Zhangjiakou 194km, Lviv-Volovets 185km, Krakow-Jasna 181km ....

    Stockholm's distances make their bid an utter nonsense.

    DEF agreed. ;)

  2. Munich could easily have met the requirements for these Games. They don't require every Games to be like Sochi and Beijing, though it sounds like the NO campaign managed to convince a lot of Germans otherwise.

    Yeah...I don't get why they got so obsessed with Sochi. The referendum was about whether they wanted they wog or not, not about Sochi, or whether they approved Sochi & their spending or whatever ? I remember you saying, already before the Munich vote, that no one expected them to spend as much as Sochi, and yes, therefore Sochi had no relation with them.

    It's like there had never been any wog before & after Sochi...

  3. The Stockholm bid would actually mean 2 villages -- one in Stockholm and the other one in Are.

    Vancouver - what was it? Sea and Snow?

    Torino - Passion Lives here

    Salt lake - Light the Fire Within!!

    For the 2022 candidates:

    Krakow (180 km) - Not so Tired!

    Oslo - (what is it) - Tired!

    Beijing-whatever that other city is - More Tired!!

    Stockholm-Are - (400 mi) Most tired!!

    :lol::lol:

  4. May Heaven

    Here's what might be the most ironic thing about a Stockholm/Are 2022 bid. They might lose to the bi-national bid of Krakow and Poprad-Tatry becuz the Polish bid can point out that in 1956, the Summer Olympics were staged in TWO different countries: most of the events in Melbourne, Australia, and.....trumpets blare.....the Equestrian events were staged in S-t-o-c-k-h-o-l-m, Sweden!! Now, wouldn't that be supreme irony if a Stockholm bid lost to another bi-national bid??? :wacko:

    And 1956 actually makes both Norway and Sweden two 2-time Olympic hosts! (winter 1952 and 1994 for Norway; and summer 1912 and Equestrian 1956 for Sweden). So that can cancel each other out and work in Krakow's favor.

    Tres, tres incroyable!!

    May Heaven hear you....

    I do not believe a second in their ability to give us something exciting, creative, or great.

    400 km between Stock. and Are ? You must be kidding. That bid has no reason to be, especially with Oslo already bidding and who, though I grew more tepid about them lately, present a far more relevant project. I do not think either that the huge distances is the only problem, that bid's narrative is inexistant and much weaker than that of Oslo and even weaker than that of Beijing / Krakow.

    Next...

  5. Welcome Munich & Germany anyway, in the club of cities/countries who aren't interested in holding the games. Honestly, the decision of the Müncheners has to be respected , and though I regret it, I understand it even better since if the vote had been held in Paris, I would have been part of the "no" voters.

    To the disappointed Germans here, I would like to tell you you weren't ridiculous. There may be more hope for Munich & Germany in the future though as the "yes" votes loses but ends up reaching a pretty high score. If the same vote had been held in Paris today, the "yes" vote wouldn't have been higher than 30% and my personal opinion is it would have been somewhere in the 20's. There's room for hope, and pride for the yes side in Bavaria.

  6. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I'd rather Beijing than Oslo!

    Oslo would host a great Games I'm sure, but if it is going to go somewhere the Olympics has been before, I'd like to see it somewhere interesting. In its own way, a third Asian Olympics would be an interesting scenario for Olympic history. Europe has done it many times, and given Asia's rising importance there is no reason it can't happen there. Also - that way (fingers crossed) Munich comes to its senses and goes up for 2026.

    This is however just a terrible, terrible shame. Frankly, I'm more disappointed than Istanbul losing 2020.

    Thumbs up to that ! :P

  7. Not terribly good choices. I'd probably go for the Krakow bid. At least Polish folks dances have not yet been featured in any gigantic Opening Ceremony!

    Haha, good one... :lol:

    It's funny how some people seem to think their life will end if their country doesn't organize olympics once in their life. It's ok people. Going to see them in another country than yours does nothing to reduce your pleasure, and doesn't hurt, you know....

  8. Be it only to WAKE the European bidders UP (!), I welcome this news very favourably. Once more, the Chinese show they're always there to show some dynamism and shake things up a little bit.

    A Chinese bid for 2022 :) I really like the idea of it ! What a bold move ! What a refreshing, unexpected and panache-full initiative in a still universe, full of decorum.

    I really started (and finished) to lose interest for the 2022 campaign, after the city that sounded interesting to me at first, Oslo, puzzled me much. I just don't know where they're going, not enough communication, no project behind the bid. I'm afraid I'm more than tepid about Oslo now after backing them in the beginning, and see no more reason to bring my support to them or to any other bidder.

    So, though we know the chances are slim, though you might be criticized by people who think only "reasonable" and "logical" bids can be made, great job China. ;)

  9. I just don't see Istanbul 2024. It doesn't offer enough contrast to Tokyo. It's not "western" enough. Paris is. The USA is. Istanbul still "feels eastern." I'd be shocked if Istanbul hosted in 2024.

    Hmm I do not see the world as a division between two sides, eastern and western. Is it because of the generation I belong to ? I don't know. Rather, I see it as multitude of different and varied cultures and groups, all with a different identity and different interests. And in that respect, I can hardly think of a culture that's more different to the Japanese identity than the Turkish one.

    This vision of things, though I understand it, brings problems and I wouldn't use to look at things. Where would you classify Rio for instance ? Eastern or Western ? It's definitely not eastern obviously but I dont think it is traditionally western either. It's just Brazil. Just like Turkey's just Turkey.

    Paris ? The sheer idea of it bores me completely. Boston or any other US ? Why not but then again, not half as thrilling as Istanbul to me. I wouldnt be shocked if Istanbul hosted in 2024, but once more it's just an opinion (and a wish).

    I still do get your point. We'll see.

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  10. Turkey is a country that should be regarded as an example by the rest of the Islamic world. And even so, as an inspiration for several country of the old world in many aspects. They demonstrated passion for olympism. In Buenos Aires, like no time before,they demonstrated skills and abilities. There are challenges, they got the energy. It's time to reward them.

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  11. I think a new Turkish bid is a very needed thing for olympism at the moment, and definitely the most thrilling idea. Even more than a bid from North Am, as much as I like US I wouldn't fail to support it in case it happens, just like I backed Istanbul 2020 over Madrid and even Tokyo. I know about all the challenges, but challenges are there to be solved. Coubertin himseld said challenges, once they got overcome, produced a better result than a situation that brought no challenge in the beginning. Games at the very heart of what I call the New Orient (the french language refers to the Islamic world by "Orient"...unlike in English), with its colours, enthusiasm, refinement and modernity would be almost dream-like.


    as much as I like US

    ...+ Canada.

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  12. You have a fertile imagination, since you think that I said the French IOC members would vote for Rome. But they are only three.

    I said "if" you think so, then your imagination is fertile. If you don't, it's ok. But whatever...

    I think the Italians are very gifted lobbyists. Remember, they invented modern politics and warfare while your ancestors and mine where still running naked in the plains with spears and knives. So I would make them my favorites if they bid.

    :lol: I'd have more doubts if I were you though...The 125th IOC session showed that those who executed schemes & plots against naive and honest opponents in the past tasted the dust quite badly. And I'm not saying that for Istanbul of course. Rome's fate could well be the same... ;)

  13. I must say that I am a bit surprised by how much Rome is ignored in all this discussion. Last time they bid they fared extremely well against what was the overwhelming favorite, and since then Italy has staged excellent Games in Torino. I think they would be a very strong European contender.

    Are you ready to support a Rome bid after the undercover schemes operated by the Pescante/Berlusconi duo (and another candidate city btw, which wasn't the winner) against Paris 2012? You're so forgiving.

    Nice to see there still are some people who wouldn't mind helping persons who plunged their head in the water a few years ago. Not sure if that's your case.

    Likewise, if you expect French IOC members to back a Rome bid, then I think you have a very fertile imagination. Which can be a quality, don't get me wrong.

    Anyway, after so much absence in North America and total absence in Africa, I can't imagine 2024 to go back to Europe. Especially with the memorable trace left by London 2012. Hence why people were not talking much about the city you mentioned. :)

  14. Then Paris shouldn't bid. And Durban will NOT mount some half-assed bid. RSA came in #3 in the 2004 race, they have hosted the OTHER biggest event on the planet, a World Cup; and they have hosted the IOC itself. They have bided their time to ensure that the timing is right even on the home front. Further, their IOC rep is on the IOC Executive Board that it's NOT like he doesn't know what it requires to win. It will be more than a pleasant surprise for me when people here are proven wrong and RSA takes 2024...or 2028 if they so choose.

    Couldn't agree more. If Durban bids, they'll win. Even if I still think that the US hasn't bidded in a long time, that there IS a desire for an American olympics, and that a great US bid could overtake Durban by showing more quality & glitter, and underlying Durban's potential shaky aspects.

    People here being proven wrong? I think a majority of people here think just like you, that Durban is a favourite. The international media also do.

    In any case, I agree with you, Paris shouldn't bid. And that's what the lil reminder was for, as I know a handful of people in Paris may have a short memory. I was in middle school teen in 2005, and I don't. ^_^

  15. NO Miss Kitty anything!!

    C'mon on. You like your Miss Kitty.

    More seriously. It will have to be something very futuristic, Mr Yoshi. Very technologic, even. I fully trust Japan will be able to do this. They're a nation of creators too. Go Pop'art, go fashion, and go artistic imagery. Japanese people have a gift for poetry; this should enable them to create fantastic sequences with all sorts of elements, colors, materials.

    Something close to what Athensfan suggests actually. (Just realizing).

    Will be great.

  16. To be fair, only a minority like hektor, who doesn't live here btw, think of France as he does.

    The rest of us are quite proud of our country in spite of some of her failings.

    As for doing good, I agree that organising a SOG would have been quite uplifting.

    That's precisely why we bid in 2005 for 2012.

    Unfortunately the ioc preferred playing politics and Russian roulette rather than giving the games to the only city who was genuinely passionate about its bid.

    That was then.

    This is now.

    Today everyone here believes that the present political, economic and social climate isn't conducive to a successful bid for 2024.

    Too bad........

    Agree with everything you say. Except for one thing; London showed a great young and generational impetus that showed them too were passionate. If France started to trust young people more instead of pre-retired technocrats wanting to remain with each other, lots of progress would be made...

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