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  1. This is the Ariake Coliseum, already existing at 10,000 that will be used for tennis.


    The Differ Ariake Arena is an older facility that is in the same complex, but this isn't going to be used for the Olympics.


    The Ariake Arena is a new venue that is near the complex that is going to be built for Indoor Volleyball at around 12,000. Yoyogi will be used for handball.


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  2. Also, having read more into this, it is very strange that they're withholding payment for work already done and saying she'll only get it if she gives up copyright on her designs. Whatever you think of the design and the cost, this doesn't smell right.

    Yeah I had commented on this when I read it on dezeen. In this situation the JSC should pay Zaha for the work she has done, and then negotiate copyrights without that being used as a bargaining chip. I read that a reason they might be doing this is so that the JSC can prevent that stadium being built somewhere else (like China of Qatar, perhaps) but also so that they can use some of the basic plans like the environmental impact studies or whatever else that would be a waste to do a second time for the same project.

  3. For me it seems like the sponsorship was paid by the JOC regardless of the bid. If there is more information, other NOC that paid the sponsorship but were not bidding for 2020 for example, it would help in making a conclusion. Maybe it's possible that Turkey didn't have the money to pay, not that they did not want to within some sort of ethical dilemma. At this point it seems too vague and way too late given all the time Istanbul 2020 has had to come out against this (unless they or Tokyo 2020 didn't even know about it).

  4. Hopefully they can just get the payment resolved quickly so all the loose ends are tied up. She is still claiming that interior technical elements are similar, but in reality there are only so many ways to create a stadium bowl with the given limitations without infringing on structure or sight lines. If she does, for some reason, try to take them to court over the similarities what can she hope to get out of it? Royalties every time someone looks at the bowl?

  5. Statement from TOCOG:

    The final selection of the winning entry is scheduled to take place in spring this year. Accordingly, the selection committee has not yet completed its selection process.

    The number of entries has now been narrowed down to a shortlist of 4. However, if any of these 4 entries are found to resemble any existing designs during the trademark verification processes, another entry will be selected to the shortlist of 4.

    Individual designs entered to the competition cannot be made available for public viewing. If any design is made public before the official announcement of the selected Games emblems (scheduled for spring 2016), this entry will be deemed as having contravened the requirement contained the in the Guidelines regarding designs that are already in the public domain (including online). Such designs will be disqualified and will not be eligible for further selection should further selection be required.

    We would therefore kindly ask you not to make your design publicly available before the official announcement of the winning entry.

    Thank you very much for your kind understanding and cooperation.

  6. Out of nowhere Nagoya announces they are exploring a bid for these games...

    Japan's third-largest city Nagoya is set to be put forward to lead a bid from Aichi Prefecture for the 2026 Asian Games.

    Hideaki Omura, the Governor of the Prefecture, made the announcement today.

    Japan has previously hosted the Asian Games twice before, at Tokyo in 1958 and Hiroshima in 1994.

    “As it is a big event, we should first clarify the situation,” Omura told news conference in Nagoya.

    The Prefecture plans to publish a financial study later this year into the economic benefits of hosting the event and how much it costs.

    It will then send its proposal to the Japanese Olympic Committee, who will make the final decision on whether they will bid or not.

    The Olympic Council of Asia are expected to choose a host city in 2018 or 2019.

    Omura revealed that he believes Asian Games is an opportunity to show the world Japan’s state-of-the-art magnetically levitated train technology - popularly known as maglev.

    Central Japan Railway Co. plans to start Japan’s first maglev - a transport method that uses magnetic levitation to move vehicles without touching the ground.- service between Tokyo and Nagoya in 2027.

    In tests conducted last year, a Japanese train using maglev technology setting a world record of more than 600 kilometres per hour, covering 1.8km in under 11 seconds.

    Omura claimed he may request that the Games be delayed by one year to take advantage of the planned maglev service launch.

    Nagoya is located 350 kilometres from Tokyo.

    The city bid for the 1988 Olympics but were eliminated in the first round as the Games were awarded to South Korea's capital Seoul.

    The 2018 Asian Games is due to be held jointly in Jakarta and Palembang.

    They were awarded the event after the original host, Hanoi in Vietnam, withdrew because of financial problems.

    The 2022 Asian Games were awarded last year to Hangzhou, China's fourth-largest city.


  7. Not surprising news, our favorite architect is still a little angry that Japan rejected her. Even Toyo Ito is a little peeved he lost again. Perhaps playing of the logo fiasco, we have this...

    London architects investigate 'similarities' of Tokyo 2020 Olympic stadium

    Following the announcement of the design chosen for a Japanese national stadium for the 2020 Olympic Games, the London-based architects’ group who produced the original but later scrapped blueprint said Wednesday that they are looking into the similarities between theirs and the new design.

    Architect Kengo Kuma’s team was announced Tuesday as the winner of the competition for the stadium design over architect Toyo Ito, after the original proposal from Zaha Hadid Architects was abandoned in July over rising costs.

    A spokesperson for ZHA said, “The design team is currently reviewing the detailed designs and investigating similarities.”

    It is unclear whether they will take any legal action. ZHA had informed the Japan Sports Council in August that all of the original plan’s design work was the intellectual property of the architect.

    ZHA had already issued a statement following the announcement on Tuesday, claiming there were “remarkable similarities” between their design and the new one, particularly in the detailed stadium layout and seating bowl configuration.

    Architect Ito said Tuesday of Kuma’s design, “I wonder if it is almost entirely based on Zaha Hadid’s plan. Its appearance is different, but if you look under the surface, there are details that seem almost unchanged.”

    ZHA’s design was renounced by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe this summer amid public outcry over its ballooning costs, projected to hit 265.1 billion yen ($2.19 billion) or more than double the initial estimate.

    Kuma’s winning design will cost an estimated 149 billion yen, with a completion date set at November 2019.

    The design was chosen based on an evaluation of nine categories associated with cost, construction period and execution plan.

    The steel and wood architecture features a flat roof and sunken seating bowl that will accommodate 80,000 people.

    Taisei and Azusa Sekkei, who are part of Kuma’s design team, were also involved in the original design led by Zaha Hadid.


    So I took the liberty of going through some old photos, so feel free to comment what similarities you see that are apparently stolen from Hadid.





    edit: this might suffice better for the overhead view for the old design since it's in track mode.


  8. Since A won, I went through the presentation file and pulled out a bunch of interesting photos...


    October 2016-April 2017


    May 2017-January 2018


    February 2018-February 2019


    March 2019-November 2019


    Concourses and VIP Areas




    note: the last two schedule pictures are (obviously) flipped. My bad.

    Here's some more pictures...

    Construction Details




    Then you have the breakdown of how different seating arrangements will add up...




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  9. Even though, a lot of these budget problems are Japan specific. With high construction costs and a sort of monopoly on construction companies, it's particular to Japan that even the new stadium designs can break under 1 billion. I imagine if Tokyo was in the US or Europe, somewhere where construction costs are less and there are many more contractors to choose from, their attempts to lessen the budget would actually be seen.

  10. Here's a piece of news we all knew was coming...


    2020 Tokyo Games budget estimated at $15 billion

    An enormous budget deficit is forecast for hosting the 2020 Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic games.

    NHK has learned that the cost for preparing and administering the 2020 Games is estimated at about 15 billion dollars. That is 6 times as much as what the organizing committee initially estimated.

    The budget includes 2.5 billion dollars for construction of athletic facilities, 2.2 billion dollars in facility rentals, 1.6 billion dollars to be paid to security firms, and 1.5 billion dollars in transportation-related costs.

    Officials say the budget increase is due to additional costs for the use of metropolitan expressways, which the organizing committee did not factor in. It is also due to the soaring costs of construction materials and labor.

    This reveals that the committee had greatly underestimated the costs when it entered the competition to host the 2020 Games.

    NHK has also found there will be a shortfall of more than 8 billion dollars in revenue, which includes ticket sales and funds collected from corporate sponsors.

    The organizing committee plans to consider cutting the budget. The committee will also study whether some of the events can be hosted by the Tokyo government or the national government.

    According to Wikipedia this is about as much Athens paid for their games and is about 5 billion more than London excluding the amount used to redo the Olympic Stadium. In reality the OC can only do so much to reduce the budget, but if they are able to continue to reap revenue from new facilities that exceeded maintenance costs alongside selling homes in the village hopefully they will break even without hurting the taxpayers too much.

  11. Ok I see how if you replaced stadium with logo design in what I said it seems silly, but in reality designing a structurally sound stadium is vastly different from designing a logo. The reason they're reaching out to the public is because the public was upset that the OC didn't reach out to them. It was an issue of transparency, so they're trying to be as transparent as humanly possible. Even if the OC reached out to qualified designers again, how would they know what to limit the measurement of ability at? Initially it was too strict, but how strict should it be? In reality that question is pretty opinionated since there is no standard in that sense as far as I know.

  12. It does seem like that organization believes any design not done by a designer is simply not worthy. The logo should represent the people, so it should be made by the people. It shouldn't be limited to those who have designed for decades because a basic concept by a freelance designer or even a student can be chosen and refined. It doesn't have to be refined and perfect right at the start.

  13. I do like how A uses more wood, as to emulate the use of wood in a lot of old buildings in Japan (or anywhere, really). I didn't post all the photos I grabbed from the two proposals, but essentially B will have a sort of rainbow landscape-design wrap similar to London. Also, B has two tiers on one side and three on the other, blending seamlessly. If A had that instead of an entire separate second tier, I think I would be 100% on board.

    A poll on twitter already has A at 60% vs B at 30%, so it seems like the people like A more. It does blend in much better than A into the environment, and when you think about how former Olympic Stadiums have represented some local landmark or culture (The Munich Mountains, the Seoul Vase, whatever the Bird's Nest was actually supposed to look like, even Sochi's was supposed to emulate the drift of snow or something), A does accomplish it much better than B. I just agree that the atmosphere inside of B in relation to the renders shown looks like it will feel better.

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