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  1. I'm wondering if the problem with the 2022 race is actually something the IOC should worry about less than the next one for 2026.

    I don't know if they are planning to, but Quebec City was kind of egged on to bid in 2026 by Rogge and that could be pretty cool. A not economic bombshell of an olympics in French Canada.

  2. The question is would people come back to Almaty after the Olympics. And I have trouble believing that would be the case. Contrast that with Beijing which, like you said, is a highly exposed and developed city. I think people would come there since they already do. There's something to build on there. Just like how Vancouver is already prominent city. And Salt Lake already had the ski resorts. So therein lies the problem, and is it on the organizers.. comes down to the same old issue of legacy. How do you make an Olympics and all that comes with it about more than just the 2 1/2 weeks of the Games.

    this is something we have to take into consideration. We haven't talked much about legacy. What exactly will Almaty, Beijing, or Oslo do with their venues after they host. Of course they will be used for training, yes. But what about upkeep? Is the area popular enough to have enough business during the winter to break even and hopefully profit after the games to maintain funds to upkeep. The amount a venue costs wont matter if more costs are piled on for upkeep.

  3. It's because they don't do anything that effects the international community. If Obama and Putin meet up, it's a big deal. If the Kazakhstani President and Obama met up, it wouldn't turn any heads. As far as I know, they just do stuff internally and as long as they don't try to spread their influences or anything, a lot of people wouldn't be able to even pinpoint Almaty, let alone Kazakhstan on a map.

  4. Fair enough, but some of this must havd been known during the bid process already, no? Obviously, govt owned land is cheaper to use than private property when the govt supports it. And reclaiming land is always an expensive thing to do.

    If the major asset of the bid was the compactness, this seems to fall apart a bit by now and it could again create the impression that the IOC is easily swayed by more fancy plans rather than realistic ones. Given the 2020 race, Tokyo probably would have won anyway, but a more honest bid would have seemed possible, I guess.

    this article says that construction costs have rised ever since the earthquake due to reconstruction efforts around the nation (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/11/us-olympics-japan-idUSKBN0EM0QB20140611) so i think the rates that they were based on in the bid books and all were expected to rise after the fact but not as much as they did after Tokyo won the bid. When they did, contractors that owned land near the bay that were building condos saw hige spikes in revenue because people wanted to be closer to the action or something.

    Its just kinda like they knew it was gonna rise and were prepared, but when the prices jumped all of the sudden they were in a tough spot to keep things economican and compact at the same time.


    economical B)

  5. its just for a few venues whose cost has soared. The basketball/badminton events were supposed to be held on reclaimed land in a venue called the Youth Plaza but costs are rising, along with the needs to create breakwater somethings for the rowing/canoe course that is raising costs and the relocation of the slalom from a park to other land owned by the government. Together it's not a whole lot given that they're trying to make the games economical and possibly lessening the stigma that hosting the games required tens of billion just for venues alone.

  6. The Tokyo metropolitan government will consider using existing facilities as competition venues for badminton, basketball and sailing at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics, a change from its plan to create new ones, according to an outline of its latest venue plan obtained on Thursday by Kyodo News.

    The outline of plans for 10 facilities show the Tokyo metropolitan government seeks to reduce the amount of new construction for the event given rising costs in the booming construction industry.

    However, the Tokyo government also plans to continue considering building new facilities for those three sports, according to the outline.

    For the kayak and rowing events, it will build a water sports arena in Tokyo Bay but consider cutting expenses by changing the layout. The facility could be used after the big event as there is no existing facility suitable for those events, the outline showed.


  7. ugh. for some reason I feel annoyed that Sochi had to spend so much that it made hosting look like a bad thing now. I bet there are other issues involved in the low support, but I still think that if Sochi had spent much less, these referendums would not have failed and/or public support would be higher.

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  8. “I love smoking,” Masao Aso, a 49-year-old worker in the auto industry, said during a cigarette break in a smoking area of a central Tokyo office building. “I want them to put aside some space for us, however small it may be. I don’t want to cause trouble for anyone else.”

    it's nice that they're thinking of others.

  9. I have just been curious as to why the US has been rather low in the Medal Count.

    It looks like like China, Russia, and Germany push their athletes in both YOG and traditional Olympics. It seems as if the US puts almost all its emphasis on the Olympics, and the YOG is still something new.

    It probably doesn't the count, given that one of the world's best U-18 swimmers is competing at Pan Pacs as well.

    yeah i don't think the US sees the YOG as true Olympics that need their full attention. With the Pan Pacs going on at the same time it makes it difficult to choose which one they are more serious about. If the US ever hosts the YOG then I think they'll get more serious.

  10. Hmmm... Nagano was BORING -- both the ceremonies and the Handover segment. I don't see why it should suddenly change. It's that Shinto thing. They do things and ceremonies in a very serene, unmuddled pace. And Japan and Korea have never used western companies for their ceremonies. I don't see why that should change suddenly.

    nagano's theme was nature peace blah blah and it was rural japan after all. I don't think anyone should have expected excitement.

    I hope Tokyo has very cultural parts in a beijingy way with lost of big, amazing stuff but also have contemporary culture like london had.

  11. two new documents from the JSC. This one (http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=WnVlVRv21YU%3d&tabid=36&mid=762) according to my dear google translate shows a slight change in the dates. Something called "Design Implementation" spans from August 2014 to September 2015, which is similar to the demolition schedule. The actual demolition timeline now stands at September 2014 - September 2015 which is ahead of the previous schedule of October 2014 - October 2015. The construction dates are the same.

    There's another one that's rather long (http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/Portals/0/shushimikomi/20140820_shushimikomi.pdf) that looks to be about finances and stuff.

  12. It helped Rio's bid yes, but it wasn't bcuz they hosted the Pan Ams. It was a vote of confidence for the IOC to see Brazil in action with an event similar to the Olympics. But it doesn't mean that hosting the Pan Ams automatically then makes you a contender for the Olympics. And the real allure of Rio was that it would've made it the first Games in South America.

    Out of all the Pan Am cities, only Mexico City & Rio have become, or will become Olympic cities. You're never gonna see the Olympics in Indianapolis, Winnepeg or Santo Domingo.

    Yeah I suppose that most of the cities especially the smaller ones will most likely never be able to win a games. I think I just worded it a bit to generally.

  13. .

    - Lima = Wouldn't be taken seriously and Hosting a Pan American Games and Parapan American Games doesn't necessarily mean You can Host the much bigger Summer Olympics and Paralympics.

    So if you host the Pan Am Games you are not fully capable to host the Olympics? Rio won and many know that hosting the Pan Ams really helped their bid. Toronto may do the same in the future since the Pan Ams will be the largest sporting event in Canada. In reality there is nothing stopping Lima from bidding and after Rio opens the door for more South American hosts when they hopefully host fantastic games, Lima will have and equal chance to host compared to any city.

    ...even London

  14. Nothing exciting! After Macau 2007, Beijing 2008, Harbin 2009, Guangzhou 2010, Shenzhen 2011, Haiyang 2012 and Tiajin 2013, it seems that Nanjing 2014 has no more to offer. I can even predict what they will do. And not so different on what South Korea is also doing. They're just over-exposing so much that I don't care about anything held in China or South Korea any more. And it includes Tokyo 2020. -_-

    who knows what we'll see at the closing ceremony at rio for tokyo. they might wow us

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