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Posts posted by phandrosis

  1. I am 99.9 Per Cent sure that when either or all of Rome, Berlin and Paris Bid, Los Angeles and Durban won't stand a chance for the 2024 Summer Olympics and Paralympics. They will not have 3 Summer Olympics and Paralympics in a row outside of Europe. Having 2 Summer Olympics and Paralympics outside of Europe was rare. If/When Beijing Host if Oslo withdraws, then I'm quite certain that the 2026 Winter Olympics and Paralympics will be coming to Europe aswell, if Oslo stay and eventually Host 2022, I can see 2026 going to North America.

    Do you happen to have any quotes from IOC members saying that they wouldn't allow that? Because from what I can tell, the only reason that there have never been 3 SOG outside of Europe is just because of the quality of the bid that wins, not where it is. It's just a coincidence that it has been that way. There's no secret foot note or anything that doesn't allow 3 non-Euro SOGs in a row. Bids that win only have issues with location if the previous games have been very close by, and that's only been a factor recently. For example, you have the SOG from 1920 to 1928, all in Europe, all sharing borders. It kind of shows that the IOC chose them not because of location, but because their respective bids were convincing enough to gain the votes during the election.

    You also have to take into account that the games were very Euro-centric until the middle of the 20th century. Sure, the games had been in the US before that in 1932, but the world was in the economic trash so no one except LA even bid. Even after the games became worldwide, the IOC was growing into a more republican group, bringing in Africans, Asians, Americans, and all types of people instead of the Europeans who had run it until that point. And speaking of the occurrence of 2 non-Euro SOGs being rare, these occurrences make up 14% of the SOG. If they were truly rare, this percentage would be much smaller. Alongside, every occurrence of this has happened within the past 50 years, showing the true change within the IOC from the European trend it held only for only 40 years until now. It also shows that more nations that before this shift were seen as inferior to the glorious Europe like Mexico or Korea/Japan became capable to host and did host on par with their European colleagues in the past.

    This change isn't going to stop just because Europe "wants" the games again. Just because they "want" them (their governments, usually not the people these days), therefore they should get them, is a very immature way of seeing the bidding process. What is SE Asia wants them? Africa, perhaps? What if the never mentioned Caribbean market, like Jamaica, wants to host so they can pay homage to all of their stars on the track? There is no denying that these nations could do it either. They have all hosted large sporting events in the past. Sure, they are arguably not as bis as the Olympics, but at least they have the same experience hosting like the European nations do. Doesn't that, theoretically, make them even when it comes to bidding for the Summer Olympic Games?

    TL;DR, the IOC isn't Euro-centric anymore so don't expect it to be from here on out. The exec. board is one non-euro short from being split 50/50 between the two. There are more nations every year capable of hosting that are in SE Asia, South America, and Africa. Things change. B)

  2. I doubt that the IOC finds authoritarian regimes "easy to work with". Especially after their experiences with Beijing & Sochi. If the IOC had their preference, they'd stay far, far away from Beijjng & Almaty. But they don't have that luxury this time out. I'm sure they're still working like crazy behind-the-scenes to keep Oslo from bailing ship.

    If anything, we're worrying about how Rio's gonna get it dome more than we did Beijing. I don't really think there is a factor of easy to work with when it comes to the type of government. It should actually be easier for totalitarians (maybe Sochi, but it's complicated) to host since they don't have labor unions so no one can complain about construction...


  3. ok I just want to state that it's obvious that the IOC couldn't give a flying frank whether the government was a democracy or not. China hosted, the USSR hosted, Yugoslavia hosted, Nazi Germany hosted (before the war, but nevertheless...). If the IOC really gave two craps why would these countries have hosted in the first place.

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  4. I just think that it wont happen for a long, long time. Regardless of what we think, we don't know the stigma of the middle east's effect on the IOC voters. Until they can be truly convinced that the games will occur at a normal time (not the middle of winter for the northern hemisphere) and can be assured as safe and humane (Qatar 2022 workers...), then maybe.

  5. Too bad it looks stunningly gorgeous. This may be the worst idea I have ever heard next to constructing entire cities from wood.

    I expect they'll know better than to use wood for everything. Using it for some things like temporary seatings, velodrome track (kinda have to anyway), VIP boxes, parts of roofs, etc. If they want to keep them earthquake proof wood wont cut it

  6. Now I'm on my phone so this'll be a little sloppy. I was doing my daily round of Tokyo 2020 research just to see what's up, and I noticed this article (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201409120045) that show student designs for the permanent and temporary venues, all made with local lumber. Of course this brings risk of fire, especially during earthquakes, is a danger but preventive measures can be taken and wood itself is cheaper than the amount of metal that would be used. What caught my interest were the pictures! Now these are in no way the final designs, but it kind of gives you an image of what kind of design we might see in 2020.

    I'll post correctly cropped images once I get home.



  7. In the other thread, bid leaders were cited as saying that the official concept is the one filed to the IOC. So it might look as if they are setting up a fake cut budget plan just to appease opposition and once they get the job in Kuala Lumpur, they'll stick to the original plan.

    That's what I would do. In reality, once you win the games you can pretty much do whatever you want with your budget. After all, the bid is to win host rights. It's not organizing the entirety of the games, that's for after the bidding process.

  8. Princeton Bid for the XIX Pan-American Games

    The Princeton Bid Organizing Committee (PBOC) has released the winner of the logo competition held at the local schools. This contest further highlights PBOC's idea to make these games the people's games. The logo, designed by Henry Howard Henry, showcases the Olympic Ring's Colors, representing the Olympic Charter that all athletes, officials, and coaches must follow. The shape of the blue, red, and black symbols represent the birds that fly in all the parks of Princeton and all of the skies of the great community. The final section, the orange and black wings, represent the colors of Princeton and Princeton University. The people and students that live in the town will host athletes from around the continent and give them the wings to soar to greatness.



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