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Everything posted by phandrosis

  1. I wish I was a soothsayer like you tony i could make some real dough
  2. Looks like they're going to replace the seats, but I don't know to what extent they will... (from scc)
  3. oopsey doopsey i always forget the games are decided 7 years before hand hehehehehe
  4. It's about time. http://tokyo2020.jp/en/emblem/ They explain in very poetic terms that the logo shouldn't be restricted to Japanese culture as to make no sense/conenctions to the rest of the world, but shoudl still have, "..the essence of Japanese culture, and seek to rediscover its subtle splendors. The design should also integrate an affinity with technology, and its future functions". The artists themselves have to submit designs for both the Olympic and Paralympic games, so we'll still have that connection between the two like in London's and those after. Submissions start the 4th of November and end the 11th, but that's plenty of time to throw something together that will be refined over the following months until whenever the reveal is (2020 days to go???). The shortlisted applicants will be contacted in late December of this year. Unfortunately, those who may participate are a bit more restricted than, say Nanjing's medal contest. As they say, "Applicants must be designers, graphic designers or art directors who have received at least two of the following awards: The Tokyo ADC Prize, the TDC Prize, the JAGDA Newcomers Award, the Yusaku Kamekura Award, the New York ADC Prize, the D&AD Award and the ONE SHOW DESIGN Award". Basically, the majority of designers will be Japanese, with a few Americans and Europeans here and there. So yeah that's cool i guess
  5. people will probably call the IOC racist if they specifically target asian dominated sports, so I think that's not something they want to do...
  6. I wouldn't be surprised if that was something that happened, but if you look at the Japanese economy at the time you can see why there is next to no evidence of a bid. An asset bubble (housing and stocks) burst while the government attempted to keep inflation under control and while bailing out failed banks that had ties to the government. It began in 1991, so I can see why they would have stopped anything to deal with bidding up until the end of this economic slump which ended in around 2010, giving Tokyo to come back in 2011 to bid for 2020.
  7. My only issue is that the games would become completely corporate if that happened. You would have Coca Cola on the back of every athlete and the medals would have the Nike symbol on them. Unless a company is truly charitable towards the games (which logically is not gonna happen), you're going to see product placement everywhere that'll ruin the atmosphere previous games have had. An example being Atlanta, where they relied heavily on corporate sponsorship for funding, but were criticized by the European IOC members as having "a general atmosphere of commercialism" that undermined IOC sponsorship in favor of their (Atlanta) own so they could pay for the games. Sure, the government only gave them so much so they had to rely on corporate sponsorship and ticket sales, but the results show that sometimes this isn't the best plan of action.
  8. http://online.wsj.com/articles/tokyo-hopes-new-olympic-stadium-is-golden-opportunity-but-some-see-red-1412287117 Good article that shows the two different sides of the argument about building the stadium. Apparently after delays deconstruction will actually start in December, but construction of the new stadium will begin on time in October of next year. Some people seem to fear the the stadium and its 80,000 (give or take a few hundred given the retractable seating on the bottom tier) capacity will be a white elephant, but the JSC argued that there are plenty of events that will aid in an overall revenue of 3.3 million USD after operational costs. It also mentions a possible use for a future World Cup, so that's something to look forward to.
  9. I'm just looking forward to the presentations where both sides are going to talk about how they will spend less than their opponents and "promote Olympic something whatever vote for us".
  10. Yeah I was looking at the operational budget and also wrote million instead of billion.
  11. Both sides really have issues. Beijing is going to use a lot of 2008 venues, but they need to build almost all of the snow venues, which actually costs a lot. Kazakhstan is hella corrupt, even more so than China apparently. But I really don't have any other events that took place there to base my opinion on, so I just give them the benefit of the doubt that they would be able to handle it. All I know is that the country spent over 1.4 billion on the Asian Games (source: wikipedia eyoo) which is actually more than Vancouver spent on their Olympic Games, but not nearly close to Sochi. uhhh edit apparently Vancouver spent more like 1.8 million but I'm comparing Asian Games to Olympic Games so it's going to be more regardless...
  12. SSB4 (sm4sh as the cool kids call it) comes out today #hype

    1. Victor Mata

      Victor Mata

      Megaman! MEGAMAN!!!

  13. I guess what I was trying to say is that the games shouldn't leave a city in extreme debt that takes decades to recover from like in 1976. I agree that governments should invest in their own games, but not to a point where the deficit will be greater than any profit from tourism, ticket sales, whatever. Games should have a good balance between public and private investments so that the taxpayers don't have to struggle with the entire load, just a part of it. Also I guess I was also trying to say what you said about the IOC being able to differentiate between doomed to fail bids and "good" bids that will benefit both the IOC's reputation as a successful organization and the city in the long run. That's the lesson I hope they learn from this experience.
  14. I think the summer games should return to Korea. Seoul has really evolved since 1988 and Pyeongchang will really help show that and may influence a sort of national pride that will push a bid out in the future. If we want something really new, maybe another Scandinavian summer games? We haven't seen that since the 50's but it could be really cool. The Canadians should really get another chance to host a not awful summer games too... Maybe Barcelona will host if Catalonia becomes it's own country (I have no idea what's going on there politically but it looks like people want it). Finally I think a New York games or any profitable USA host should come around sometime soon (Boston 2024 turn up). I mean after people saw the profit of LA '84 cities from around the world jumped on the opportunity to bid (you know, except for 1988 but whatever). You went from literally one bid in 1984 to six in 1992. Maybe they could have the same effect. Maybe there's some sort of equation of when cities start to host again after one city messes up. Not so good games + 16 years = Pretty good games.
  15. I guess you can call the 2022 race a sort of buffer zone between the old way of bidding and the new 2020 stuff. It's going to be rough throughout, and given the selection these games might be one of those we just forget over time. Also it's strikingly similar how Beijing and Istanbul both had government-based riots during their bidding periods. Seeing how that turned out for Istanbul, I can already predict that it wont help Beijing win over the IOC.
  16. I hope the IOC can learn a lesson from all of this. When voting for a host city, make sure that their planned expenditures and legacy are truly profitable, given the inevitable rise in costs after election. Other cities got turned away when Sochi up and spend about 50 billion USD building venues and roads that corruption heavily ingrained itself in. I mean, that's why I think Almaty will eventually win if they don't allow a sort of Hail Mary to jump in. Almaty is sure to spend less than Beijing. Hell, Beijing will spend more on ceremonies than Almaty will spend on constructing a new venue. In fact, it'll almost look like the IOC is supporting extreme spending if they decide on Beijing again. Just my opinion, but it'll look that way. As for a hail mary for 2022, it probably wont happen, but if it does they should just throw it at some city with almost all the venues from a previous games. Like... I don't know Innsbruck could probably handle them a technical 4th time (including YOG). If they were really desperate they could throw them to the US or even Japan. It would be weird for sure hosting in the same nation twice in a row but Japan has hosted Asian Winter Games (3 times and one more in 2017) and Olympic Winter Games (twice!) so it's not like they couldn't handle it either.
  17. I just imagined the first city to host both summer and winter would have been a bit more... i guess the only word is deserving. also kazakhstan seems kind of ok so why not
  18. maybe the IOC will be like, "eh whatever we'll just skip one who cares"
  19. it's probably an internal vote within their legislature on whether to support the bid or not. If their conservatives are anything like the US', they'll simply support it because the businesses do.
  20. It's cool that they're throwing in members that were part or are part of different organizing committees in the commission like Tokyo, London, Sochi, and Vancouver. They'll really help the cities by giving them advice on how to succeed like they did. also SLC which'll help if one of the cities is looking to coughbribetheirwincough make a profit from their games
  21. The Asian Games medal table is the same every time these days. You have Japan and Korea fighting out for second place, the rest of the countries trying to get enough medals to be in the top 10, and China bein china and getting 50% of the medals :P

    1. woohooitsme83
    2. BTHarner


      Ignore the medal table and just enjoy the competitions.

    3. Alexjc


      New Zealand and Australia have applied to join them...could be attending the next games.

  22. Do you happen to have any quotes from IOC members saying that they wouldn't allow that? Because from what I can tell, the only reason that there have never been 3 SOG outside of Europe is just because of the quality of the bid that wins, not where it is. It's just a coincidence that it has been that way. There's no secret foot note or anything that doesn't allow 3 non-Euro SOGs in a row. Bids that win only have issues with location if the previous games have been very close by, and that's only been a factor recently. For example, you have the SOG from 1920 to 1928, all in Europe, all sharing borders. It kind of shows that the IOC chose them not because of location, but because their respective bids were convincing enough to gain the votes during the election. You also have to take into account that the games were very Euro-centric until the middle of the 20th century. Sure, the games had been in the US before that in 1932, but the world was in the economic trash so no one except LA even bid. Even after the games became worldwide, the IOC was growing into a more republican group, bringing in Africans, Asians, Americans, and all types of people instead of the Europeans who had run it until that point. And speaking of the occurrence of 2 non-Euro SOGs being rare, these occurrences make up 14% of the SOG. If they were truly rare, this percentage would be much smaller. Alongside, every occurrence of this has happened within the past 50 years, showing the true change within the IOC from the European trend it held only for only 40 years until now. It also shows that more nations that before this shift were seen as inferior to the glorious Europe like Mexico or Korea/Japan became capable to host and did host on par with their European colleagues in the past. This change isn't going to stop just because Europe "wants" the games again. Just because they "want" them (their governments, usually not the people these days), therefore they should get them, is a very immature way of seeing the bidding process. What is SE Asia wants them? Africa, perhaps? What if the never mentioned Caribbean market, like Jamaica, wants to host so they can pay homage to all of their stars on the track? There is no denying that these nations could do it either. They have all hosted large sporting events in the past. Sure, they are arguably not as bis as the Olympics, but at least they have the same experience hosting like the European nations do. Doesn't that, theoretically, make them even when it comes to bidding for the Summer Olympic Games? TL;DR, the IOC isn't Euro-centric anymore so don't expect it to be from here on out. The exec. board is one non-euro short from being split 50/50 between the two. There are more nations every year capable of hosting that are in SE Asia, South America, and Africa. Things change.
  23. At least for the final round, but preferably for all of the following rounds, it would be p cool if we weren't able to see the results so it was more of a surprise when the announcements of elimination come around *would be
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