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Can we get a tally on how many times Tony has called Beijing an insurance policy? It must be in the 30s at least.
went through and counted. he called beijing an "insurance policy" 5 times.
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kind of a far off thought but has anyone thought about where they might place the cauldron? I mean the stadium's fabric-like roof probably isn't great with fire and with jumbo trons on both openings kind of block a view outside.
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“I love smoking,” Masao Aso, a 49-year-old worker in the auto industry, said during a cigarette break in a smoking area of a central Tokyo office building. “I want them to put aside some space for us, however small it may be. I don’t want to cause trouble for anyone else.”
it's nice that they're thinking of others.
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two new documents from the JSC. This one (http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=WnVlVRv21YU%3d&tabid=36&mid=762) according to my dear google translate shows a slight change in the dates. Something called "Design Implementation" spans from August 2014 to September 2015, which is similar to the demolition schedule. The actual demolition timeline now stands at September 2014 - September 2015 which is ahead of the previous schedule of October 2014 - October 2015. The construction dates are the same.
There's another one that's rather long (http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/Portals/0/shushimikomi/20140820_shushimikomi.pdf) that looks to be about finances and stuff. -
It's great that they have established to the protesters the facts behind why they cannot just add seats and slam on a roof.
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It helped Rio's bid yes, but it wasn't bcuz they hosted the Pan Ams. It was a vote of confidence for the IOC to see Brazil in action with an event similar to the Olympics. But it doesn't mean that hosting the Pan Ams automatically then makes you a contender for the Olympics. And the real allure of Rio was that it would've made it the first Games in South America.
Out of all the Pan Am cities, only Mexico City & Rio have become, or will become Olympic cities. You're never gonna see the Olympics in Indianapolis, Winnepeg or Santo Domingo.
Yeah I suppose that most of the cities especially the smaller ones will most likely never be able to win a games. I think I just worded it a bit to generally.
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So if you host the Pan Am Games you are not fully capable to host the Olympics? Rio won and many know that hosting the Pan Ams really helped their bid. Toronto may do the same in the future since the Pan Ams will be the largest sporting event in Canada. In reality there is nothing stopping Lima from bidding and after Rio opens the door for more South American hosts when they hopefully host fantastic games, Lima will have and equal chance to host compared to any city.
...even London
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That may be in Beijing city which will be hosting 40% but the rest in Zhangjakou will be costing up to at least $50 to transform it from an 3rd world city to an world class city, This will be Sochi 2.0 not Almaty Kazakhstan who will only have to build 2 venues and media and athletes village to host the games plus update the transport infrastructure which will benefit the city after the games.
when i talked about the alpine venues i was referring to zhangjakou because thats where they're all going to be... idk to be honest and i think a lot of people also think this its a little hard to understand what you say
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The only way there will be 3 Asian Olympics in a row, is if Oslo withdraws. Beijing doesn't have to spend as much People believe they do. They have the main structures in place, just need to transform them for the Winter Olympics and Paralympics.
they also have to build all that stuff for the apline events, which still costs a buttload of money. Quite literally (according to the chart) every alpine venue either has to be built or renovated, and we don't know how much renovation is needed either. Thats why I personally think they will end up spending a lot more that we're told now.
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i dont really know how this works yet, but i was wondering when we'll see a tokyo 2020 section in the olympic games category, not buried in the 2020 bid section
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imo it wouldn't be bad games or anything, but the spending that we all know they're gonna do is going to contribute to the stigma that the winter games cost upwards of tens of millions of dollars (sochi you bad boy) so for that reason and that 3 asian hosts in a row is just going to become uninteresting given that they all have somewhat similar cultures, i don't believe that they will win.
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just to be clear here's a screenshot from the IAAF charter or whatever it's called.
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Are Olympic stadiums required to have 9 or 10 lanes instead of the standard 8? I never thought about it, but that could be a potential headache for a few of the older stadiums like Berlin's Olympiastadion that have 8 lanes.
as far as i can tell from the olympic charter (which doesnt say anything about it), I assume that like all other venues it has to meet the requirements of the IF, not the IOC. So in that case i think 8 are required. They just opted to have nine for the funsies.
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New document: http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=sdBUnenWAQE%3d&tabid=36&mid=762
After a bit of google translator, i picked up on a few details:
- definate 80,000 capacity
- there are plans (what appears to be the most informal plans) to use the stadium in the future for IAAF world championships and/or FIFA world cup
- the stadium is planned to be used many times throughout each year for concerts and events
- the new price appears to be 162.5 billion yen (approx. $1.6 billion as of today)
- the maintenance cost per year is 4 billion yen (approx. $39.2 million as of today which seems like a lot but idk what's normal)
- it also explains that the reason they are renovating not just refurbishing is that it's no longer up to world sport standards and it's current earthquake resistance is not strong enough
- 9 lanes on the track
- just once again stating that construction will start next october (2015)
thats about it. theres a small calendar (in heisei) that shows the basic dates we already know. july 2014-september 2015 is demolition and october 2015-march 2019 is construction with a small prep period afterwards before the rugby world cup.
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I don't see why they would be concerned about the shooting venue since the one they are planning to use is the one from 1964 and would only require minimal renovations.
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I just went on the JSC site, but in japanese. It took a little scavenging but I found it eventually.
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There's a new Q&A posted on the JSC website but it's in Japanese
http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=w39gQXKDZ3M%3d&tabid=36&mid=762
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And it looks like these peaceful protests have made an impact.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/protests-pay-off-as-hadid-alters-tokyo-stadium/5069610.article
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imo it's a little late to really change the idea of complete reconstruction to just simple renovations since it's likely that the companies for demolition have already been contracted. The design could change, but then they would have to deal with IF's along with breaking the promise of a modern stadium unlike any other that they presented at the session.
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It's good that they're making this public instead of keeping it hush hush and overspending without anybody knowing.
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It has begun! (JSC Facebook)
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Good thing they're handling it well.
New sports at 2020 Olympics
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They might as well. It's not like Tokyo has to build any stadiums for it anyway.