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Everything posted by phandrosis

  1. I don't know how London's was received, but it seemed that a lot of people hated it but it just stuck around and that was that. If that's the case, that's probably what will happen with Tokyo.
  2. Hopefully the actual look of the games is more colorful. Maybe they'll approach it like Rio by using different parts of a single piece of artwork, or like London by using basically the same general design but a bunch of different colors. Either way this will be the focal point in most venues.
  3. Also here's a still from a news broadcast about the stadium. Could the new stadium look like this? Probably not, but in a way it will have similar aspects. Notice there are no huge arches or fancy roofing or general unnecessary pleasantries. A simple design like this example image is what TOCOG is looking for, but more refined, of course.
  4. Here's a couple of things I've found searching online. The quality of some of the photos are bad, so I apologize in advance. As we've read, the "first stage" of Sano's design wasn't used because it looked too similar to an already trademarked logo. It appears that Time Force Watches may have been the company with an emblem similar, as shown below. However, others have pointed out that a set of posters for what seems to be a musical event hold a similar design as well. (This is just something I saw. The "g"s are similar to something Debie designed which I remembered from his sight. Just an observation. ) Finally, if you remember TOCOG asked for emblem designers to show how the emblem would be used in a "look-of-the-games" way. This is what Sano submitted.
  5. From these three releases I've gathered the most recent facts about the reconstruction. http://www.japantoday.com/category/sports/view/cabinet-oks-revised-2020-olympic-stadium-plans http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0002387226 http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0002388960 The competition for contractors/designs will start on September 1st and end in December 2015, with the beginning of construction slated for December 2016 at the latest. The capacity will be 68,000 with the track, but it is unclear whether they will construct temporary seats over the track for football at a total of 80,000 or remove the track, build permanent seats, and if needed construct a temporary track similar to Glasgow in 2014. I'm pretty sure they're going to build a permanent track with temporary seats as needed, but nothing official yet. The idea of a museum and sky walkway (basically Hadid's design) have been eliminated. VIP areas are remaining, but are reduced. Underground parking and other facilities are also being reduced, reducing the overall area of the stadium at 13% less than before. Air conditioning will be removed, given that it wont work that well anyway Some sources claim the roof over only the upper stands, some over all the seats. This is still unclear. I imagine the Japan Sports Council will post something about the design contest in the coming weeks, but we'll see. Maybe they'll personally reach out to Japanese architects only...
  6. If you mean for the new design, the competition hasn't even officially started. I would assume mid-fall at the earliest, but if they want to keep it secret which is unlikely since the renewal is based from public outcry, January 2016 at the latest.
  7. Here's the news story about the finalized restrictions on the stadium. I'm not sure about the roof covering only the upper tier, given that other news sources claim that the roof will cover all the seats. When a final report is released in full we'll see.
  8. A little news... http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/japan.html
  9. Here are the renders from the document ZHA released stating that any other design would be terrible and that their design is the only good one. They even badmouth London and Sydney for attempting temporary stands. There's a lot of photos so I put them in an album. http://imgur.com/a/g98Li#0 I suggest looking at the document themselves. There's a lot of interesting stuff. One thing is that when compating roof heights, she states that a stadium that is built without "hills" (like Rome's OS) would be taller than hers, even though when referencing the height of her stadium, she uses the walkway on the edge of the seating bowl, not the actual peak of the arches. hmm...
  10. Two new pieces of information highlighting the apparent minimum capacity and maximum price for designers/contractors to work with. IMO 68,000 should be plenty for permanent, given that they're more likely to fill the stadium to capacity for future large scale events that take place in the new stadium. I suppose this means that they're not doing the retractable seating, instead they're probably going to construct deconstructable seating on top of the track. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150827_23.html http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150827_33.html
  11. I dont see it... maybe the 3x3 proportions?
  12. I don't think it will, since the situation Montreal dealt with was much worse than what Tokyo is in. In Montreal, they chose to build a huge, unreasonably big and gaudy stadium with large concrete structures and a tower using building methods construction workers were not familiar with, causing them to go on strike. The new design, whatever it may be, for Tokyo will most definitely not be as complicated to build as Montreal or the original Hadid design. The simpler the design, the quicker they will be able to construct it. They won't ever resort to Yokohama because they simply have too much pride to give up on rebuilding the National Stadium. It is a national landmark and they want to show it off during the Olympics. Even if it is more feasible to go to Yokohama, I doubt that TOCOG would ever propose it. Some more news... it seems that Hadid might resubmit her design with an even more reduced capacity and less amenities, but still with the arches (?). It could be chosen, but I think the board that will choose the design are biased enough not to. And related, said board is going to set a limit for the proposed cost early on so designers know that they can't try to be too extravagant... Here's the video that ZHA released defending their original design.
  13. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/japan.html Is it possible? oops my bad, copied the wrong article. Here's the correct one. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150825_28.html
  14. This other emblem was released today. Looks similar to every other world cup logo recently #plagais
  15. I don't understand the legality of the situation honestly. I'm just making assumptions and predictions off things I've read. No matter which way this situation turns out, TOCOG and the IOC will continue to use the current emblem. No doubt.
  16. People have said this before. The designs that are criticized for plagiarism (except, you know, the ones that actually were plagirism) were all abstract designs using basic shapes and block colors. If an artist looks out and tries to find a shape that's both feasible and unused, they probably wont find anything. So, it's almost inevitable that some designs will be similar to others. I predict that the lawsuit will either happen and Debie will probably lose just because he doesn't have the proper evidence to prove Sano is guilty, or the IOC or TOCOG will pay him off so he'll go away. In unrelated news, http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150824_28.html
  17. Little bit of new allegations, but I think you'll agree that this time it's a little ridiculous. Maybe this designer saw the opportunity for a little free cash from a lawsuit. If anyone's curious, these are the zoo/museum logos referred to in the article.
  18. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150823_03.html Why 1.6? MetLife, currently the most expensive stadium in the world, was 1.6 billion. Basically, they don't want to make it possible to have built the most expensive stadium in the world. Second is the best, anyway.
  19. I heard a Belgian court, maybe so that they're more likely to side with him? I don't know if he chose a local or a national level court, though.
  20. I saw that one and all the other proposals, and in my opinion the fan or the blossom or the tokyo city logo are all a little too cliché for an olympic logo. If all logos were created to show the one part of the host city and country's culture that the world is already familiar with, we might have had a Christ the Redeemer statue for Rio, Big Ben for London (again, weirdly enough), Mao for Beijing, and on and on. The idea is that the logo should be recognizable around the world, but shouldn't be created to show something that the world already knows about the city and country. Sure, it's hard to see how Tokyo's official logo represents the city, but the story behind it demonstrates the same values that the games and the IOC share. This is just my opinion and I understand that a successful logo should be targeted to a worldwide audience, but I personally think that strategy simply takes the most popular (and most fetishized) aspect of the respective culture and recycles it like with any other logo for an event in the city or country. Unrelated to my point, the lawsuit is officially filed at the IOC and I assume TOCOG as well that, if Debie wins, he will get reparations of US $55,000 each time the logo is used. I understand he doesn't want a logo similar to his to be used on such a large scale, but it does seem that he's trying to milk this situation to his benefit instead of standing by his original argument of artistic integrity. To put it in perspective, the Olympic logo is used very often, so if Debie wins a lot of money will be lost by the IOC and the TOCOG budget. (source: http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1029426/tokyo-2020-logo-designer-apologises-amid-plagiarism-allegations )
  21. Kind of unrelated, but I found this browsing Wikipedia. It had no source so who knows, but it's interesting... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sports_Festival_of_Japan
  22. On twitter I've seen a bunch of people posting this story claiming Sano had legitimately plagiarized other designs for a Suntory campaign. This is obvious, since these designs are obviously copied. http://twinavi.jp/topics/tidbits/55cc5513-09c8-4005-a58b-50e95546ec81?ref=tweet However, it's best to know the full story. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150815_11.html
  23. One of the reasons that they chose to tear it down is that the stadium was not up to the modern Japanese earthquake safety standards. It did survive fine in 2011, but the quake was not in Tokyo. If there was a quake in the Tokyo area, the 50 year old stadium would likely crumble. If they had tried to reinforce the stadium and add more on, There would be little to no space outside the stadium with new pillars, they would have to dig down into the foundation to re-reinforce it, and unrelated the track and field facilities were no longer capable of hosting large scale athletic competitions and, specifically, was likely the reason the National Stadium was not chosen as a 2002 World Cup venue even though it was already existing and had a capacity greater than most of the new stadiums built for the World Cup.
  24. Here we go... http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20150814_32.html
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