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  1. This needs a poll! http://www.gamesbids.com/forums/topic/22695-poll-on-the-pyeongchang-2018-emblem/
  2. Well, the PC18 logo isn't really ahead of its time. If so, the future is going to be boring. Wait a minute...I knew it reminded me of something! It's just Aster breaking off a leg and hopping out of a box. LOL
  3. I think he means the Parti Quebecois - they are in power in the "assemblée nationale". I love Quebec City and it would be almost perfect for the Olympic Winter Games. But let's face it, not having a tall enough mountain will forever kill that dream. I believe I read that in 2005, the people of Moscow thought they won the 2012 Games - the city was first to be eliminated on the 5-city ballot and there was a misunderstanding when it was announced.
  4. But the Olympic rings stand for a 120 year old movement. PC18's logo is for a one off event within that movement. It shouldn't be 'ahead of its time'...it should be 'of its time'. I would say the logos of the age when the Olympic rings were introduced were more 'fancy'. Most of them were scripts and shields and crests (at least in the West). Today's logos are mostly stylized shapes and figures. The Olympic rings have that harmony of symmetry, simplicity, and balance. PC18 looks like they were trying to achieve that, but got lazy and didn't. It isn't easy to build an iconic logo. Some hit the mark, but many miss. Nike, Apple, they got it right. Gap flopped. And I don't know what Microsoft's game is. But I don't think PC18 will resonate into the future as a great design. It just looks lazy and boring. Sure..I know what it looks like, but I don't care.
  5. I dunno, I think the Olympic rings themselves are a great logo. Part of that might be because it is almost 100 years old and it is so familiar. But most of it is because it is a simple, classic, universal design that has a meaning and a story and anyone can doodle it onto a cocktail napkin with great ease. When you consider that it was unveiled in 1914 at a time when many logos were frilly and fancy, it was well ahead of its time.
  6. A logo doesn't have to be complex. Some of the best are the simple ones. The Olympic rings themselves come to mind. It is just that this one is so 'meh'. I get no feeling from it. I was never a fan of the London 2012 emblem, but at least it stirred a reaction within me. And I was disappointed with the Vancouver 2010 logo at first, but I grew to appreciate it. This thing just bores me. Even more so than Sochi's website wordmark, and that one's pretty boring. Notice that all these crappy logos have come under the regime of Jacques Rogge? It's Jacques' fault!
  7. It just looks flat. Dull. And bored. Looking at the black, green, and red bars I I, I just see a 'meh' face staring back at me. :|
  8. In the end, a logo becomes just a logo as people tie the design to the experience of the event. Three years later, and you still see Vancouver's Olympic logo sported on baseball caps and sweatshirts all across the streets of this city. No doubt that is true of London, Sydney or Salt Lake. Design agencies like to call them 'brands' but brands are much bigger than that - it is the experience and the sentiment, not the design. Granted, design reflects the intention and sets the expectation. Athens set up an expectation of a classic but modern experience and London set up an idea of something energetic and different, so what PyeongChang is about to reveal will be a design reflecting their intentions with the 2018 Games.
  9. The retractable roof was not needed for the 1976 Games as athletic competitions are supposed to happen in open air. So even if the tower had been completed for the Games, they wouldn't have even used the fabric roof during the Games and I'm even doubtful they would have even bothered to install it. The roof was designed for the Expos and the colder months, all of which fell outside of the Olympic timetable. While it might be nice to think of fancier ceremonies for the Montreal Games under a completed Olympic complex, given the simple nature of Olympic ceremonies of the era, I just don't see that as having been in the cards. Montreal's Olympic Ceremonies were planned and executed as they unfolded regardless of Montreal's Olympic construction problems.
  10. The Olympic ceremonies of today are strictly controlled and timed spectacles of choreography, display and suspense. Then the athletes roll out like some sort of drunken fashion parade of mostly bad apparel. They mostly mug for the cameras. The Olympic ceremonies of the past were almost the opposite. Very little 'creative content' but the parade of athletes was a semi-militaristic march of precision, colour and style. They dressed and acted like they had great pride in being part of the team and representing their countries. Starting with Moscow, the focus of modern ceremonies really changed. Who know what they will look like in another 30-40 years!
  11. In the first video I posted above of the Montreal closer...at about the 1:15 mark in the 'green' ring, lower right...is that the infamous streaker?
  12. Not sure if this has ever been posted on Gamesbids before, but I give you...the Closing Ceremony of the Games of the XXI Olympiad, Montreal 1976! I don't think this is complete and the sound from this video is not from the original airing (from the official soundtrack for the Games) but this is the most complete viewing I've ever seen of the Montreal closer. The uploader has other vids from the '76 Games. Part 1 http://youtu.be/zTpxXvA35a4 Part 2 http://youtu.be/4k7sakoJDvs Part 3 http://youtu.be/pM440A9gAX0 Part 4 (actual sound from the flag being lowered) http://youtu.be/JOEC-8GQox0 Part 5 or 6? http://youtu.be/EycucvS6AfY Final http://youtu.be/mdYPFK0vsoo And sorry...I'm having some difficulty posting the last four parts (but will try and fix this).
  13. I haven't read or viewed anything on this for a few hours, but I think we all need to just wait for more news and evidence to come to light before assessing the situation. But as was stated in today's National Post in Canada: It is somewhat of a statement about South Africa, too. I was there recently. Thought it was beautiful. But it is has some big problems and crime, poverty, and violence are all part of that mix. And there were moments I didn't feel 100% safe when I was there. So, for someone high profile who grew up there, I can see why Pistorius might be somewhat on edge and a bit 'trigger happy'. Let's just see what unfolds.
  14. The South African Paralympic champion who inspired the world by his appearance in the 2012 London Olympic Games has been charged with killing his girlfriend. Early reports state he may have thought she was an intruder. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21455453#TWEET602054
  15. But in recent times, the sponsors want the logo available early so they can start building their marketing and promotions plans. Beijing, Vancouver, London, Sochi and Rio all released their new emblems about five years ahead of their respective games. I think that is fair. And it isn't like we brush aside an Olympics one year away for one five years away just because they released their logo. Most in the general population won't even know much about Pyeongchang until about late in 2017.
  16. This story is so fascinating! A 500+ year mystery solved and history nerds the world over (myself included) geeking out like mad. Now...I think it is time to test the two young skeletons they found in the Tower a few centuries ago. Find out if they were indeed Edward V and his brother Richard.
  17. Right now, Istanbul is the leading candidate for that role. They only have their own bid and those of two other cities to get in their way. Beyond that, I think there are too many other issues in the region to seriously consider a Games there in the near future. And one of the biggest is the sporting tradition/legacy in the region. Pouring oil money into air conditioned stadia isn't going to solve that one.
  18. I don't think the size of a ceremonies stadium is much of a factor anyway. The key issues would be Ukraine's rather weak winter sporting tradition (with 5 medals in 5 Winter Games, it would have the poorest medal record of a previous host since Yugoslavia hosted the 1984 Winter Games without ever having won a winter medal before hosting) and the size and quality of their downhill resort. I don't know much about the Carpathian Mountains so overall I think Lviv or any Ukraine bid is a dark horse.
  19. Olympic boycotts don't accomplish anything for those that boycott. Ask the 1976 African Olympians. They are just a footnote of history. Ask the 1980 US Olympic team. Many worked and sacrificed for years only to make the team and not go. Ask the 1984 Soviet bloc teams. All that training for nyet. But as for the Soviet athletes of 1980 and the US athletes of 1984...yep, the boycott was a hit. Hey, Canada certainly benefited from the 1984 boycott - 10 gold, 44 medals total. A long and sustained boycott of a product, company or service can make an impact, but refusing to take part in a two week celebration doesn't accomplish anything.
  20. But you know the cycle. The Olympics come to a close, we get the silly season of 'which athletes have you never met' and 'why Tulsa 2024 is the best bid ever', then we get the 'what ifs' and 'what nexts' and a number of threads about Minneapolis, Toronto and Paris, followed by a couple of competitions, and then the real bid season heats up and we're all focused on that. Although this bid cycle...not the most intense we've seen...so maybe we'll get a few more threads about 'which fictional athlete should light the Olympic cauldron' or 'which historic figure, living or dead, would make the best IOC president". Let the Games begin.
  21. Shanghai makes sense as the next Chinese summer games. But I don't see it happening for about 30 years. There are other places to go. As for the winter games, not sure about China. Harbin seems the most 'logical' but the distance to the mountain resort is always going to be an issue. The city isn't the first to have this trouble and it won't be the last. In many respects, the winter games have greater limitations. They have outgrown the small resort towns but there aren't a lot of big cities nestled in snowcapped mountains and IOC can't allow too many Squaw Valleys and Sochis with a complete set of winter facilities being built from scratch. In the future, the IOC will have to make some concessions and Harbin could benefit from that.
  22. I guess they rejected my suggestion of "Your. Hot. Mess."
  23. The blue one looks like the new 2 World Trade Center in New York.
  24. I would like to see Montreal put in a Commonwealth bid. I know it is not likely to happen given the political and cultural climate in La Belle Province, but the city could easily pull it off. Well, maybe.
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