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  1. This has gone from being kind of fun into just another episode of "Games of Our Lives".
  2. WOG in Atlanta? What would the athletes ski on? Frozen peaches?
  3. I thought the Village was created first for the Olympics and then handed over to the University after the Games for dorms.
  4. Would never happen because Atlanta wouldn't have a main Olympic stadium ready in time and a village would be tough to construct so quickly. If an Olympic Games are ever cancelled because of a fear that the city wouldn't be ready, they would almost certainly go to a past host as the time line wouldn't allow a new city to pick up the torch. Why would you take the Games away from a city that is 75% ready and give them to a city that would only be 25% ready and have much less time than the city that was stripped?
  5. What I find interesting about this thread is that it shows that Olympic hosting is like a house of cards. Pull one card out and it changes everything.
  6. How's this for a new worst case scenario. 1990 - In a surprise final show down, Belgrade wins the 1996 Games by one vote. 1991 - The 1998 Winter Olympics are awarded to Jaca in Spain. 1993 - The 2000 Games are awared to Beijing. That same year, the collapse of Yugoslavia forces the IOC to move the Centennial Games. They consider only past hosts and offer them to Montreal. 1995 - The 2002 Winter Games are awarded to Salt Lake. But feeling an early vindication, Quebec votes to leave Canada. 1996 - The Second Montreal Games started off with stellar organization and appear to be almost perfect, but following the referendum they are suddenly boycotted by a bitter Canada and last minute funding and security are lost. Brunie Surin wins gold in front of the home Quebec team, but the reputation of Montreal is utterly destroyed and Quebec as a nation is deemed an early failure. 1997 - Buenos Aries is awarded the 2004 Games. 1998 - A warm snap hits Spain and there is no snow for Jaca. Ski events take place in Albertville. Scandal sweeps through Salt Lake. 1999 - Torino is awarded the 2006 Games. 2000 - Tempers flare over memories of 1989 and there is a major boycott of Beijing by many Western democracies. 2001 - Argentina faces an economic meltdown, they resign the 2004 Games. The Games are moved to Tokyo. Dr. Kim from South Korea is elected IOC president. Meanwhile, the 2008 Games are awarded to Havana. 2002 - Following the terrorist attacks, the USA cancels the Salt Lake City Games. Although the IOC is displeased with Canada's boycott of the 1996 Montreal Games, the Games are quickly moved to Calgary. 2003 - The 2010 Games are awarded to Pyeongchang. Months later, it is uncovered that the mountain proposed doesn't meet international standards and an even bigger bribing scandal is uncovered. 2004 - The Tokyo Games open but are a financial disaster because there are no sponsors - scared of scandals and sudden cancellations - and security threats following 9-11. 2005 - the International Olympic Committee files for bankruptcy. The Olympic Movement is bought by Ted Turner who permanently relocates the Olympics Games to Atlanta.
  7. I know its all hypothetical, but the IOC would never strip a city of the Olympics because of your Athens to LA situation, and by that I mean taking about the Salt Lake City Games. Also, Beijing could never win by beating Toronto by 3 votes and San Francisco by 4 votes. Those margins are too close to allow any city to get a majority. And a majority of votes is needed, not just a higher vote count. But so far, this has been a fun thread...
  8. Calatrava actually did the communications tower on Montjuic by the Stadium. But look at the colourful story of Olympic architecture...the Jordi in Barcelona was designed by a Japanese architect, a Swiss firm designed Beijing's stadium, and Montreal's Stade Olympique is a Paris design.
  9. My god...Barcelona is so beautiful.
  10. Actually, this is kind of hard...if Athens had won 1996, Toronto could have made a decent stab at either 2000 or 2004. Europe would have been hard pressed to get a Games until 2012 with two back to back in the 1990's and the USOC probably wouldn't have kept Atlanta for very long. And then there's the Winter dynamic. So here goes... Athens wins 1996...OK. With no American host right before it, Salt Lake easily wins 1998. Sydney, Beijing, Istanbul, Atlanta and Toronto bid for 2000 with no Europeans in the race (they know with Barcelona and Athens before them, they can't hope to win). The USOC considers dumping Atlanta or not bidding at all, having just won the Winter Games of 1998, but fulfills a committment to Atlanta and bids. However, nothing really changes. The Aussies win it in a showdown with Beijing. Beijing is stung and vows that it won't bid again. Nagano wins 2002. For 2004, the USOC finally dumps Atlanta after 2 consecutive losses. This time, though, they go with Chicago (NYC and SF haven't formulated enough interest in bidding by this time). The short list includes Chicago, Rome, Cape Town, Toronto and Buenos Aries. BA drops first. Then Cape Town. It is almost too close to call on Rome, Chicago and Toronto. But with SLC only 6 years behind, Chicago could seriously drop. Torino 2006 proceeds only if Toronto or Chicago wins 2004. Sion wins 2006 if Rome wins 2004. Beijing decides to return to the bidding process...nothing really changes though. The bidders may differe - Toronto and Chicago may or may not be in the running - a North American win in 2004 ends a North American bid in 2008, but a Rome win in 2004 leaves it open for both. It's pointless though. Beijing wins it easily on the second ballot. Vancouver wins only if Toronto fails in 2004. Toronto cannot win against Beijing in 2008. Otherwise, Salzburg defeats PC on the first ballot - 59 to 51. The 2012 race looks the same. The only difference is NYC. If Chicago takes 2004, they don't get a shot. If Toronto or Rome took it, NYC is still in the hunt. If Toronto is still without a Games, they pull out after 3 failed bids and chase the Commonwealth Games or Expo.
  11. Montreal Opening Ceremony - Highlights Saturday afternoon at 3:00pm on July 17, 1976, trumpeters sound out the call at Stade Olympique as the flags of the 132 member countries of the IOC are hoisted. The announcer calls out “Mesdames, messieurs, Sa Majesté la Reine. Ladies and gentlemen, Her Majesty the Queen.” The 73,000 in attendance cheer on the arrival of the Queen, accompanied by the Duke of Edinburgh, and her son, Prince Andrew. IOC President Lord Killanin, COJO President Roger Rousseau, and other dignitaries greet the Queen in the Royal Box. The Queen is seated next to Jules Léger, Governor General of Canada. The 8,200 athletes from the 94 participating nations enter the stadium, circling the track to gather on the infield. The loudest cheer is reserved for the Canadian team, which round out the 120-minute parade. The Queen remains standing the entire time, greeting each delegation on its arrival. At exactly 4:34 pm, Her Majesty opens the Montreal Games…”I declare open the Olympic Games of 1976, celebrating the XXI Olympiad of the modern era.” The Olympic Hymn commences and 8 athletes carry the Olympic Flag around the track and it is raised. The announcer then calls out “M. Georges Kronawitter, maire de la ville de Munich, va remettre à Lord Killanin, président du Comité international olympique, le drapeau officiel offert en 1920 par le Comité olympique belge au mouvement olympique. Lord Killanin va transmettre le drapeau au maire de la ville de Montréal, M. Jean Drapeau”. The mayor of Munich hands over the Antwerp Flag to the IOC president, who in turn passes it off to the mayor of Montreal. The doves are released and the trumpets announce the arrival of the Olympic flame. Sandra Henderson of Toronto and Stéphane Préfontaine of Montréal, symbolic of Canada’s French and English heritage, circle the track and climb the podium at the centre of the infield to ignite the white saucer shaped cauldron. The 94 flag carriers form a semi-circle around Abbie Hoffman, who earlier carried the Canadian flag into the stadium. Pierre Saint-Jean, a weightlifter, takes the flag in hand, faces the Queen and on behalf of all athletes proclaims the Olympic Oath in both English and French. Maurice Forget does the same and recites the judges and officials oath. The choir and orchestra then perform the national anthem of Canada and competitions for the Games of the XXI Olympiad are underway.
  12. I'm adding my voice to "General Olympics"...can't read anything and there was a discussion that I started that I'm dying to see. Is this really a problem at my end, because "General Olympics" is the only place I encounter this?
  13. Oh, almost forgot. One of the zaniest ideas for Expo 67 was to "borrow" the Eiffle Tower for the 6 month World's Fair and put it up in Montreal. The estimated cost was $12 million...much cheaper than building a tower. The deal was almost struck, except at the last minute that the owners of the Eiffle Tower backed out over fears that if they moved the tower, they might not be allowed to reassemble it Paris. Drapeau really wanted that tower!
  14. He had that even before Expo...
  15. In case you were ever wondering why they chose a design with a stadium and tower at Montreal's Olympic complex, the answer is pretty simple....Mayor Drapeau. For the Olympics, Montreal required a new stadium. While the IOC required an open air stadium for athletics, Montreal's after Games use for the stadium (baseball, concerts, big events) required that it have some form of protection against the harsh winters of the region. Hence, the idea of a retractable roof. Now while this would be the worlds first fully retractable roof stadium, there were other technologies available in the 1970's that could have made for a much simpler mechanism that what was installed at Stade Olympique. Except that Drapeau wanted an architectural masterpiece and more than that, he wanted a tower. At Expo 67, Drapeau wanted to build a tower that would be a 20th Century Icon for Montreal combining the height of the Eiffle Tower and the lean of the Leaning Tower of Pisa. The initial plan called for a 325m (1066ft) tall, slender monument to be built near Expo and represent the 325th anniversary of the founding of the city. It would curve upward and lean over the city. But it was never built due to the high proposed costs and the large amount of construction needed for Expo. So when the IOC awarded the Olympics to Montreal in 1970, Drapeau saw his opportunity to re-invent these modest self-financing Games and build his long coveted tower for the city and people of Montreal. Although, it would be done by the time of the city's 345th anniversary.
  16. That's true. The old US pavillion (which was very popular with visitors to Expo but generally hated by Americans) is now called the Biosphere and is dedicated to the environment. Another Expo site still in use is the French pavillion, now the Montreal Casino. As for the Montreal Tower, it will probably not face the wrecking ball, as it was recently leased to a consortium for 99 years - they are renovating the upper floors for office space.
  17. I've seen the artwork but don't know where it is...its got a yellow background and all the flags of the world. As for the stadium, I really don't think they will tear it down for a very long time, if ever. Despite the problems and the cost, it has become the city's signature landmark building. And with no plans to build a new stadium, I don't think they will implode the Big O. The Expos may not draw huge crowds, but the stadium still has many events - concerts, tradeshows, conventions...the stadium is multipurpose and a tourist attraction. The analogy to the Eiffle Tower holds some ground. Both were built for extravagant events, both reared controversy in their design, both angered the citizens of the city, both have questionable usefulness, both have been threatened with destruction, yet both have become the single most recognizable structure in their city. Can you name another building in Montreal? Stade Olympique just needs more time to gain acceptance as an icon.
  18. For more information on the Montreal Olympics, try this link. CBC Archives - the Games of Montreal The video and audio clips give a feel for what people thought of the Games, before, during and after and certainly demonstrate that the biggest problem encountered by the Montreal Games are the inflated egos of its backers and the corrupt ambitions of its builders. The video archive on Taillibert also features a young journalist reporting on the extravagances of the Games and its architecture would ironically, some 25 years after the Montreal Games would be questioned about her extravagances...yes, that young journalist is none other than future Govenor General Adrienne Clarkson. Also available with French language archives. Radio-Canada - Jeux de Montreal
  19. From what I could tell, the only new facilities built for 1976 were the massive Olympic complex (stadium, pool, & velodrome), the Olympic Village and the Olympic Basin (rowing & kayaking) near the old Expo site. The Stadium of course hosted the ceremonies, athletics, soccer and possibly the final equestrian event. The pool held all aquatic events and the velodrome had the cycling time trials. Shooting and archery were in the small town of Joliette. Sailing was in Kingston, Ontario. Bromont hosted the equestrian events. Other existing facilities were used - Molson Stadium at McGill University (for field hockey), Arena Maurice Richard near the stadium (boxing I believe?), the legendary Montreal Forum in downtown (gymnastics, I believe) - but I'm not sure if any of the Expo 67 facilities were used. I also believe that a number of sport facilities exist at the 4 universities that call Montreal home - they could have hosted a slew of smaller sports such as volleyball and handball. Some events don't really need facilities - like cycling road races - and others can use small halls or theatres, like fencing, weightlifting and wrestling.
  20. The Games invest huge amounts in security following a terrorist attack (the Munich hostage taking for the 1976 Games, the September 11, 2001 attacks for the 2004 Games)
  21. Montreal and Athens have a lot in common... 1/1/1976 - The velodrome is complete 2/2/1976 - Organizers reassure the IOC that the project will be ready 8/2/1976 - the final piece of the roof is installed (the "concrete awning", not the fabric roof) 29/3/1976 - the technical ring around the roof is complete (includes lighting etc) 7/4/1976 - the track and grass are installed in the stadium 15/4/1976 - the aquatic centre is finished. 10/5/1976 - the video screens and seats are installed in the stadium 15/5/1976 - the Olympic Village is complete 9/7/1976 - all construction at the Stadium ends 16/7/1976 - exterior landscaping is complete 17/7/1976 - 3:00 pm exactly - in front of her Majesty Elizabeth II, 73,000 spectators in the stadium and a half billion televison viewers world wide, the Opening Ceremony of the Games of the XXI Olympiad commence - and thousands of busy workers wipe the sweat from their collective brow.
  22. Oh, by the way here's the link to the new site. Montreal - la Régie des installations olympiques (RIO) The Montreal cauldron will burn during the period of the Athens Games as a symbol of the fraternity of Olympic host cities.
  23. The reason for the high costs and the reason the tower wasn't compete in time are the same - a labour dispute compounded by a brutal Montreal winter mixed in with a difficult piece of architecture and thrown together with corruption, recession and political intrigue. Their make-up schedule made Athens look like a picnic. This is what Stade Olympique looked like in 1975 - just one year before the Opening Ceremony. For the record, the Government of Quebec, which owns/operates Stade Olympique, just completely re-did the website (en francais seulement pour maintenant) and it is a HUGE improvement over the previous site.
  24. I think Montrealers are raised to hate that stadium. I think it was the cost that lingers with them and perhaps the arrogance that surrounded it, but other cities have had similar projects with similar results and similar egos but don't seem to hold as much bitterness as Montrealers do toward Stade Olympique. There are many people in the world that think it is a wonderful piece of architecture and the marvel that Drapeau and Taillibert intended. Nearly every travel book I've ever on the topic of Montreal mentions it as one of the top attractions in the city. Too bad - the city should realize what it has and embrace it instead of threatening to implode it or laughing at tourists when they want to visit.
  25. I find it so strange that the Montreal Games ended up costing as much as they did and being as behind schedule as they were because it was only 9 years earlier that the city welcomed the world to the 6 month birthday party that was Expo 67. Montreal's Olympics are often considered a failure while Man and His World, the sweeping theme for Expo, was a wickedly brilliant succes - perhaps the most successful of the 20th century. For Expo, they even built islands in the middle of the Saint Lawrence River, a whole new subway line and all within a few short years. The city attracted global attention and visits from many celebrities and political figures. Yet, 9 years later, the Montreal Olympics opened despite the fact that constructions cranes still loomed where the tower was to stand and a slew of planning errors, stikes, corrupt dealings and other problems that plagued these Games. They could build islands in time, but not a stadium. Where Expo was Montreal's highest achievement, the Olympics were probably marked the start of the city's decline. A billion dollars in the hole, eclipsed by Toronto, growing support for separatism, and a period of decline, the Olympics ended nearly a decade of Montreal uphoria. Still, I wish I wasn't just 2 years old at the time - would have loved to be part of the experience. It will be years before the Summer Games come to Toronto, and I hope within my lifetime, but at least I'll be there for Vancouver's party in 2010.
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