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  1. Am I missing something? I don't see anything anywhere that says Fisht Olympic Stadium has a fully enclosed roof. It looks to me more like a smaller Stadium Australia or Olympic at OAKA in Athens in form than the old BC Place design. Two arches the cover the stands with openings on either end. The roof above those two arches is also translucent and quite high up. A cauldron at either end of the stadium would be easily visible from within.

  2. And with its buildup, suspense, flourish of joy and drama, the finale to Stravinsky's Firebird Suite certainly sounds like the kind of music you would use for lighting the Olympic flame.


    If that is the case, then Russian-composed music would have been used at that pivotal moment for at least at three or four Olympic Games.

    2002 - Salt Lake City, Shostakovich's 5th Symphony

    2004 - Athens, Shostakovich's Pirogov Suite

    And I'm sure a Russian composed the piece used for Moscow 1980, but it was probably specially written for the event...I don't recognize it as anything classic.

  3. I think at one point, Quebec City was going to propose hosting the downhill events at the 1988 facility in Alberta, nearly 4000 kilometers away!

    Stockholm is at a disadvantage here, but I'm fairly confident the IOC will let them through to the candidate phase, although they might grumble a bit about the distance.

  4. Nessie! :lol: I didn't see the infamous Montreal tower, but it really is an image of it with curves added. At least the Russians will get theirs up on time :lol::P:ph34r: *runs* :lol:

    Ah, but in Russia, you have the might of the government to get things done. In Quebec, you have the might of the unions to keep things down. And in both, you have the might of the mafia to corrupt it all. :P

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  5. I suposse that due to the domed condition of the stadium there will also be an indoors cauldron (but with the two of them being lit simultaneously, most likely.

    I didn't think the stadium was domed...big awnings like the Beijing Birds Nest, but open on both sides facing the sea and the mountains.

  6. Now that's a big one again - but that could be expected, not only because this will be "Winter Beijing", but also due to the architecture of the Olympic Park and the Olympic Stadium which offer a great setting for such a tall cauldron visible also from inside the stadium (at least through that open end of the stadium).

    It reminds be of the slanted tower at Montreal's Olympic Stadium - though that tower leans towards the stadium, while Sochi's cauldron leans away from the stadium.


    Or the Paris-Montreal Tower proposed for Expo 67 (which like the 76 stadium tower, was backed by Mayor Jean Drapeau)?


    Interesting...have we ever seen a cauldron exposed this early before?

  7. Yeah, but but we are talking about 125 kilometers vs. 600 kilometers. In 2003, the IOC expressed concern that 125 kilometers was "too far", but they went with it and Vancouver welcomed the world in 2010.

    And while the current proposal is that Are would only host the Alpine events, the Swedes do have a greater distance to overcome. It doesn't outright kill their bid from the start, but it sets them back. The rest of the bid will have to be phenomenal to overcome that distance (which I'm sure it will be).

    The IOC has accepted quirkier projects (although all were rejected in the end) - Helsinki 2006 and Quebec 2002 to name two.

  8. I think a lot of people actually love the idea of Sweden hosting the Winter Olympics. It is just such a natural fit - like Switzerland or Canada, Norway or Austria. But the problem is that Are is the only ski resort in the country that can host the downhill competition. And it is quite remote. Stockholm to Are is 600 kilometers. Ostersund is closer to Are, only 100 kilometers, but of course, they are smaller. This is not a small matter to overcome. The 125 kilometer distance from Vancouver to Whistler was seen as a challenge for the 2010 Games (although the local mountain at Cypress turned out to be the real bugger). So distance matters.

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  9. Does Madrid suffer from not being as renowned as Barcelona? Is Madrid the Manchester to Barcelona's London?

    No. Not at all.

    But Madrid 2012, 2016, 2020 is like Toronto's bid for 1996 and then bidding for 2000 and 2004 all just 20-30 years after Montreal 1976. Or if Sydney had put in bids for 1976, 1980 or 1984 after Melbourne 1956. A good potential host of a future Olympics, but emphasis on the word future. More time needs to pass. Just as Sydney 2000 proved.

    Madrid is wise to pull out of the race for 2024.

  10. Calgary business and sport leaders can jostle all they like but if they don't get the support of the Canadian Olympic Committee, they won't be bidding on anything. I get the sense that for the COC's future hosting aspirations, a Summer in Toronto is the bigger priority. It is the tougher of the two Games to land. And even if Toronto wins a Summer Games, it will still be easier for Canada to land a future Winter Games shortly thereafter. Not so much the other way around. There aren't many Winter host potentials, and Calgary 1988 were both successful Games and Games that elevated the profile of the Winter Olympics.

    Still, I hope the COC focuses on the Summer Games, even though the trend of world mega cities mixed with new frontiers rages on, the IOC needs a Sydney 2000 every now and then and I think Toronto can offer that. Canada already kicks butt in Winter Sport (thanks to Calgary and Vancouver) and we don't really need a third set of world class winter legacies so quickly (even if many are recycled or renovated).

  11. To all intents and purposes Paris hosting would be like its first time. Almost nobody alive will remember its last Games very well. That's obviously not the case with LA.

    I know it's stating the obvious, but I think it's a major point.

    A very good point indeed. The Olympics of 1900 and 1924 don't come close to anything like the Games of today.

  12. I travelled to Japan in 2010 and what I found was a country that had incredible order and organization, a country that could be delicate, serious, serene and introspective, a country that had history and modernity...and then turn around the next corner and you found a country that was chaotic, kooky, giddy, cute, goofy, silly, crazy and mind boggling.

    2020 won't be 1964.

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  13. I supported Istanbul in my heart, but Tokyo was a safe alternate. There is a time for the IOC to throw the dice and gamble a bit, and a time to play safe. With the upcoming Games in Sochi, Rio and PC, the IOC took three gambles in a row. A fourth was just too much.

    I hope Madrid has learned a lesson - still too soon after Barcelona 1992 for a country of Spain's size and economy to pull this off - and that they don't bid again for a long time. Even as time goes by, their numbers are dropping.

    As for Istanbul, can't really predict what their future bid ambitions should be. Maybe 2024? Maybe hold off for a while? They've been bidding for 20 years, save for the 2016 cycle, and this is the closest they can get.

    And for Tokyo...well, Japan will do a good job. But with PC 2018 and Tokyo 2020, Asian cities should have to wait 8-10 years to try again.

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  14. I don't believe for a minute that IOC voters vote in continental or linguistic blocs. This isn't Olympivision or Olympic Idol. They vote based on their own individual assessment of what is best for the movement, sport, the athletes, the federations, and other considerations. Sometimes they are moved by the narrative. Sometimes, pragmatism takes over.

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