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  1. 8 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

    The IOC has NOT yet approved the dual OC concept.  This is just LA's idea at the time.  THe IOC shot down Chicago's similar idea; and I think it might be shot down as well.  Just perhaps a smaller ceremony @ the Coliseum in time for the Lighting of the outdoor cauldron.  That's really the only time they need to synch and cut to the Coliseum live.  You do present a good idea, but it might just be too complex for one evening they just want to get through since the actual drama starts the next day with all the competition.   

    If LA does to the dual concept, I think this is the best concept. I mean the broadcasting will start at the LA Coliseum, head into Inglewood, and back to LA Coliseum for the parade of nations and the lighting of the cauldron. A separate channel could cover the entertainment while the parade of nations is going on...with the main broadcasters out in the Coliseum can drop in whenever they please. The production looks complex, but I think this is the best way to utilize both stadiums and honor the legacies of 1932 and 1984. 

  2. I wonder how LA executes the dual stadium Opening Ceremony concept. This should be interesting. One thing for certain, the opening ceremony will be under broad daylight (assuming a 6pm start to accommodate east coast viewers). If I was Garcetti, I would start the ceremony at the LA Coliseum (introduce the President and National Anthem), bring the artistic portion to Hollywood Park (for the theatrical darkness), the parade of nations and speeches back at the LA Coliseum, host a couple of musical performers back in Inglewood, and finally light the cauldron at the Coliseum. 

    For the final leg of the torch relay, the flame is bought into Hollywood Park shortly after the artistic portion and takes a lap. It runs through the streets of South LA during the parade of nations, amid cheering crowds before entering the Coliseum. 

    Hollywood Park hosts the entertainment aspect of the ceremony, LA Coliseum hosts the Olympic proceedings and parade of nations. Fans will get to choose which part of the ceremony they'll attend. 

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  3. On 8/22/2017 at 5:29 PM, baron-pierreIV said:

    With the Games returning to Los Angeles, I'd say the #1 choice would be Joan Benoit Samuelson (1st woman to win the Olympic marathon @ Los Angeles in 1984

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    2. Michael Phelps - possibly

    3,  If you want LGBT, it should be Greg Louganis who had his first Olympics and golds at LA 1984.   

    4.  I'd add Kerri Walsh-Jennings (3x gold, 1 bronze -- Beach volleyball). 

    5. maybe Carl Lewis and Mary Lou Retton, both LA 1984 alumni 

    (5. Magic Johnson and Larry Bird (w/ the Dream Team) -- those basketballers are OVER-RATED; plus it will be logistically challenging to gather all these seniors in 11 years' time and & have them go about some challenging paces.  That's why they had the British senior athletes in London hidden in the shadows.  Besides, Basketball was not one of the ancient nor early Modern Era Olympic Games sports. 

    The nation (and the world) likely expects Michael Phelps to light the cauldron. Greg Louganis is a great pick. Carl Lewis has to be a part of the final leg (most decorated athlete of the 1984 games). Misty May and Kerri Walsh is at my #6. I wouldn't be surprised if they ran the torch around the track. 

    The Dream Team changed basketball and made it a worldwide game, not to mention Magic Johnson is a LA sports legend. They got the 1980 Olympic Team together in Salt Lake City, so its possible in LA. If its not feasible, Johnson and Bird can run on their behalf. Don't expect them to light the cauldron. 

    Nothing is going to top the Muhammad Ali moment in 1996. LA2028 will choose someone that everyone will approve. 

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  4. On 8/9/2017 at 11:08 PM, mr.bernham said:

    Wouldn't it just be smarter to start it @ 8:00pm, EST = 5:00pm PST? You would get more time with the sun down, even with the roofed stadium you would want some good nighttime shots. The bulk of the US market lives in the CST anyways right? I think a 5:00pm start is a much more desirable time.

    During the Atlanta games...NBC started their coverage at 8pm and the ceremony started at 8:45. The same happened in Vancouver (NBC started at 8pm, EST, the ceremony started at 9pm). American and Canadian interests will be used to schedule events. The Olympic finals for track, swimming, and gymnastics starts at 5:30 local time. 

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  5. LA 2028 is entertaining the concept of dual stadium ceremonies, so the final relay lineup is going to be huge. Michael Phelps gets the honor to light the cauldron, but I would like to see those who participate in the final leg join Phelps in lighting the torch together as Team USA, reenacting what the Miracle on Ice team did in Salt Lake City. 

    1. Michael Phelps

    2. Caitlyn Jenner 

    3. Magic Johnson and Larry Bird (w/ the Dream Team)

    4. Carl Lewis 

    5. Mary Lou Retton (w/Carly Paterson, Nastia Liukin, Gabby Douglas, and Simone Biles)



  6. LA is perfect for 2024. But venues too spread and they need to improve public transport.

    LA already hosted the Olympics twice. The most recent one in 1984 was a huge success. It sucks the venues are spread out, but its the best option available for the USOC.

    Most of the venues from the 1984 Games still exist. Basketball would be held at the Forum. Gymnastics at the Staples Center. Field Hockey at the Stubhub Center. The campuses of UCLA and USC are perfect locations for other events and training centers. The LA Convention Center can house the broadcast and press facilities as well as host additional events such as weightlifting, taekwondo, wrestling, judo, and fencing. Although its clear LA will get an NFL franchise before the end of the decade, the ceremonies and athletics events will be held at the Coliseum. The only major venue missing is the swimming and the only thing you need to do is to build a temporary pool on the Coliseum parking lot and build temporary stadia that'll cram 20,000 people and the press. 80% of the projected venues are built. The only major thing missing is the Olympic Village.

  7. Washington DC is a great city. However, most people do not know is the local government is plagued with corruption. The Metro is efficient, but the infrastructure is horrible. The stations are a cold, colorless underground bunkers. Since the venues are spread out, improving public transportation is vital in order for DC to be successful in this bid. That's not going to be a reality unless the city corruption is eradicated.

  8. Here's a map of the DC Metro, surrounding commuter rail (probably doesn't include a lot seeing how some of the system maps were a pain to crop out), and the proposed venue possibilities. Probably not very accurate, but it's a rough representation.


    Feel free to suggest anything that I didn't add (I know I didn't add Maryland's system)

    You forgot the campuses of the University of Maryland, American University, and George Mason University. American has a 4,500 seat arena that can host an small event or two. Maryland has five large sports venues (basketball arena could host basketball prelims) but some require temporary expansion of seating such as the baseball and soccer stadium. George Mason has a 10,000 seat arena. These campuses are Metro accessible.

  9. Let's be realistic here, an Olympic track can't fit into Soldier Field. It's current seating capacity is 55,000. If the City of Chicago and the Bears want to add a track, the lower bowl needs to be removed and the field raised so it can fit. Otherwise, the stadium would have to be razed to its pre-renovation state and rebuild from there. The issue of converting the stands into press rows should not be a problem since they could convert all the luxury suites into additional press boxes/broadcast booths. The seating capacity would be reduced to 48,000; little over half of what the IOC requires.

    The temporary Olympic Stadium concept in their 2016 bid was more feasible since there was no need of an Olympic Stadium after the games unless Chicago was awarded another NFL franchise. The idea of converting the stadium into a 10,000 seat mixed use venue is a great idea since it can host high school competitions and other events in the Chicago community. London's Olympic Stadium was designed as a temporary venue since Wembley Stadium is the main venue in town and West Ham was eventually going to take over an convert the stadium based on their needs.

  10. Competition was tight to bid for the 2012 Olympics. Voting was close until the last round. Vancouver 2010 might have something to do with it since the IOC probably did not want the Olympics to happen consecutively on the same continent. Bidding for the Olympics is not an easy task and you need a large team plus public support in order for a bid to be successful.

    Bob Costas interviewed IOC President Thomas Bach in Sochi and he said the IOC wants to promote the Olympic Movement by allowing areas that has not hosted yet a chance as well as bringing the Games to regions where its held multiple times. He used the example of giving the 2008 Games to Beijing for the first time and awarding the Olympics to London in 2012. The last time Asia held the Winter Olympics was in Nagano 1998 and Pyoengchang's bid brought the games back for the first time in twenty years. Salt Lake City hosted in 2002 and Vancouver hosted in 2010, so the Winter Games are coming back to North America anytime soon. It look like the IOC will award the 2024 Summer Games to an African city if the bids are achievable. When the 2024 (or 2028) Summer Games approach, North America hasn't hosted the games in thirty years, so if an American, Canadian, and/or even a Mexican city submits an excellent bid; the Games will likely return on this continent.

    Toronto is planning a bid for 2028 and Guadalajara might bid either in 2024 or 2028. We knew the USOC sent letters to twenty-five cities asking if they'll be interested in bidding for the Olympics. Philadelphia, Dallas-Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Washington, Boston, San Diego, and San Francisco responded or started to explore a potential bid. Chicago is not sure and probably will not submit a bid despite the USOC's pleas and New York has not made a decision whether to get on board with an Olympic project. There's also some consideration in bidding for the 2026 Winter Olympics to kick-off America's 250th Birthday Celebration Year. U.S. Soccer is looking to bid for the 2026 FIFA World Cup. The IRB is also looking at the United States to host the 2023 or 2027 Rugby World Cup since promoting the game in America is a long-term goal for International Rugby.

    Out of the American cities who responded; Los Angeles and Dallas-Fort Worth are the only two metropolitan areas capable of hosting the Summer Olympics. Los Angeles hosted twice and many of the venues were located on college campuses in the area. Dallas-Fort Worth is thinking about converting the Cotton Bowl as an Olympic Stadium and use AT&T Stadium, American Airlines Center, and Toyota Stadium as venues. Another idea in consideration is converting the historic Fair Park complex into an Olympic Park. San Francisco is capable of hosting, but the venues would be too scattered across the Bay Area (some might take an hour travel w/o a police escort). Boston and San Diego is too small and not capable of hosting. Philadelphia would be the dark horse, but since I am from the area; the city is capable of hosting the Olympic Games.

    New York has the resources to sell themselves as the city to host the Olympics. They submitted a quality bid back in 2012. One of the things I found intriguing was the fact athletes could get to their venues by water taxi's and avoid the New York traffic. One of the things holding the city back is their new mayor. It seems bidding for the Olympic Games is not in the cards at the moment. Even if New York does not bid, the IOC is keen to award the Games to Los Angeles for a third time. To make things even more interesting, let the USOC submit Dallas-Fort Worth or Philadelphia as a bid. They are always interested in looking at new horizons.

  11. The cities capable of hosting the Summer Olympics are New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago. Chi-Town is the best location since its suitable for North American television coverage. Los Angeles has the experience in hosting the Olympic Games twice. New York is the "American Babylon" of cities.

    I think New York should give a shot in bidding for the Olympics. If the city bids again with proper planning, the IOC will probably give the games to NYC.

  12. I don;t think the games are coming to Phili anytime soon either. :P

    In all seriousness the COC is probably committed to get a summer games first before a Winter Games. Canada hosting a winter games in the next 20 years is not going to happen. That leaves only the USA in the Americas to host.

    Hosting the Summer Olympics in 2024 is too soon for Canada. They need to wait another decade to start bidding again. Apparently the IOC wants to spread things out a bit.

    I'm from Philadelphia and we are an underused city. I know the region like the layout of my own house and I know for a fact Philadelphia is capable of hosting the Olympics. Obviously they need to "work out the kinks" but if the city won. Go to my discussion post if you want to post your thoughts. this discussion is about Canada hosting again. I know for a fact you guys can knock another Vancouver 2010 excitement again...Yanofsky's song was brilliant and Bilodeau's gold medal moment was one of the best Olympic memories ive ever witnessed. still have mixed feelings over Crosby though...I didn't mind that Canada took the hockey gold, i was pissed Crosby finished the job cuz we have to deal with that baby every year lol.

  13. NBC has a huge influence on the games whether they are in America or not. Just saying....

    we know that. they convinced Beijing organizers to move swimming finals in the mornings so American viewers can watch Michael Phelps and paid billions for US television rights....more than any other country. this discussion is about USA 2024, a potential national movement to bring the Olympics back to America. we'll talk about the TV rights later cuz NBC's contract ends after 2020 and primetime host Bob Costas will probably retire afterwards.

    Why don't we shift to a different approach like discuss potential cities and maybe some ideal venue plans from locals who hail from these metropolitan areas?

  14. guys can we just stop talking about NBC with marketing and all the Olympic promotions. this discussion is about United States 2024 and lets talk about potential cities like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Philadelphia. shut up with NBC and television...if the Olympics are in the Americas...don't talk about it!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. When I think about the United States of bidding to host the Olympics in 2024, 2026, and 2028...its possible it could happen. Since the 2026 Winter Olympics coincide with the 250th Anniversary Celebrations, the US could have a big chance in winning the bid. 2024 and 2028 are feasible...cuz the only countries with cities in North America capable of hosting is Mexico, Canada, and the United States. Mexico City, Montreal, Los Angeles, St. Louis, and Atlanta hosted the games before. I'm not sure if Mexico is interested in hosting again and Vancouver hosted the 2010 Winter Olympics. It also looks like the IOC wants to "rotate continents" in hosting the Olympics if the bids are feasible. Canada has Toronto in consideration and they can put together a quality bid. For the United States, I think these cities should consider to bid:

    1. New York has a diverse population with many ethnic neighborhoods. The outlying region has numerous sports venues because of their professional sports teams with the Prudential Center, Madison Square Garden, Meadowlands Stadium, Izod Center, Nassau Coliseum, Barclays Center, and Arthur Ashe Stadium. The city also bid for the 2012 Olympics and use the proposed plan to start off. The biggest problem is transportation and the city needs to expand their highway and subway system. For the Olympic Stadium, they could build it If New York plans the bid with proper planning, they can succeed and win either a 2024 and 2028.

    2. Los Angeles already hosted the 1932 and 1984 Summer Olympics. Most of the venues are still there and need a little facelift. The only problem is the Olympic Village. They could use USC and UCLA dormitories but I think it should be newly constructed to please the athletes. Los Angeles should really consider in hosting for a third time.

    3. Chicago planned an excellent bid for 2016 and they can use the proposed layout to consider a 2024 bid. The only issue is their crime rate. Rio might be worse, but its something they need to look over. It's central location in the United States is great of North American coverage. The reason Chicago lost was the lack of pride on the national level. If they did, Chicago would have been a finalist.

    4. Philadelphia should really consider bidding for the Olympics. They have a large sports complex in south philly and the area needs a facelift. if it was redeveloped as the Olympic park, it can fit the Olympic village and 65% of the venues easily. after the games, some of the small venues could be turned into community centers and the swimming venue could be converted into a neighborhood water park.

    5. Denver should be considering a 2026 Winter Olympic bid. They have the infrastructure....but the only thing needed is building the venues. Most of them could be temporary. Colorado Springs is an hour away outside the city and the US Olympic Training Center is headquartered there. Breckinridge can host the mountain events, although Aspen is the logical choice. The only problem is Aspen is three hours from Denver while Breckenridge is one hour. Denver should really consider in bidding.

  16. Ahh yes, the old Twitter/online streaming argument. Remember though.. NBC lost a ton of money on Vancouver and was expected to do the same with London. But they broke even, which might as well have been a big win for them. The ratings for London were HIGHER than they were for Beijing despite the primetime show from Beijing being live. Of course, remains to be seen what happens with these next 4 Olympics which NBC grossly over-bid for. I think it's a little premature to assume though that NBC can't make it work. And keep in mind about Pyoengchang.. it probably won't just be the skiing that's live. Don't use Nagano 1998 as the template. You know NBC will fight to get anything and everything they can during their primetime window. I'm sure they'll have more than just skiing.

    True, we just have to see what happens. It's a year by year basis. Pyoengchang might have all mountain events (snowboarding and ski) in the morning because that's when the snow conditions are good, allowing for LIVE primetime window in the United States if they don't install lighting for halfpipe, sliding, and ski/board cross. short-track could be in consideration, but figure skating no way. there was a poll during London that many don't mind tape delay...they rather have the events shown LIVE on one of their networks and re-broadcast them again on primetime as part of a recap/(as if it was live) show. sochi's coverage is going to be similar to London. the only problem is going to be the hockey competitions. if the United States has a big game against Russia or Canada in group play, its going to be part of early-afternoon coverage (nighttime Russia). if its during knockout play...nbc might have some control. there are not going to change the start time for the gold medal game...cuz its hours before the closing ceremony. the problem for the gold medal game is that it draws the highest ratings during the games if the USA plays.

  17. dchang11 -- been there, done that. For 1976, the actual Bicentennial, the IOC gave the US the right to host the 12th WOG as a Bicentennial gift. But the 'gifted' city had a sudden case of imbecility and sent the gift back to the IOC. Philadelphia and Miami were supposed to host 2 concurrent World's Fairs: Philly would've been the Int'l one, and Miami was to host one for the Americas. NOTHING came of all 3 efforts. I'd be very surprised if anything turned out for the 250th birthday bash. Perhaps the XXVIth WOGs and World Cup 2026?? None of that will fall into place until 2018-19. Still another 6 years down the road.

    True.....its just an idea. XXVth Winter Olympic Games and 2026 FIFA World Cup is a great alternative. we'll just have to wait and see.

    Getting the Olympics back to the United States is not about need. For better or worse, NBC (not to mention their viewers) made it clear that the location of the Olympics doesn't affect their bottom line. At least that's what their 2014-2020 bid implies. I've always said that if the money coming from American television ever dries up that the IOC wouldn't be able to return here quick enough to try and line their pockets again. But that's a long ways off.

    Sure there are some big names due to retire, but new ones will come along. Maybe not as dynamic and successful as a Phelps or a Bolt, but there's usually no lack of compelling storylines when it comes to an Olympics.

    In terms of finding a host city though, it has to work for both parties involved. Los Angeles did that. Atlanta made it work even that it was the best pick of a weak field. Salt Lake made it work. Easier said than done to find a city with the resources and the desire to host an Olympics. And to offer up corporate sponsors.. be careful with that since it was an American city that is negatively remembered for doing just that.

    Good point. the problem is NBC does tape delay. with twitter and online streaming these days, it can hurt viewership cuz most of the ad revenue is from primetime coverage. Sochi (Tape Delay) Rio (LIVE-East Coast) Pyoengchang (LIVE-ski only)...if NBC loses money like Vancouver (which was live coverage) who else is going to step up after 2020? NBC won't bid if viewership goes down.

    Corporate sponsorship is part of American culture. Each Olympics demonstrates some cultural aspects of the host city. This is ours. It might be criticized like Altanta, but the Olympics is focused on the athletes and the fans waving the flags.

  18. If Tulsa actually bid for the Olympics...they will be the laughing stock of the whole process.

    For the joint bid between Tijuana - San Diego; that's not going to happen. I don't think the IOC will allow two countries to host the games.

  19. The United States needs to bid and win in hosting the Olympic Games in either 2024, 2026, or 2028. We have to keep in mind the USOC holds a large share of the IOC and NBC pays a record amount of cash to acquire broadcast rights. If interest starts to die down in the United States, the Olympic movement is in jeopardy. The Montreal 1976 and Moscow 1980 financial disasters almost forced the movement to end since no city wanted to host. The Americans also led a boycott at Moscow, hurting the revenue. With the retirements of Michael Phelps, Kobe Bryant, Michelle Kwan, Apolo Ohno; and Shaun White, Ryan Lochte, Usain Bolt looming, Olympic marketing could face a spiraling downfall after Rio 2016. If the IOC needs the financial support, hosting the Olympics on American soil will help spike interest and revenue.

    If the United States bids for the 2026 Winter Olympics, preferably Denver or Salt Lake City, we should win the bid because it'll be the first Winter Games in North America since Vancouver 2010. It will also coincide with the 250th Independence Day Celebrations later in July. Salt Lake City still has most of their venues from 2002, so a little renovation and seating additions for each facility is really cost effective. Denver is a bigger metropolitan area, has many ski resorts in the outlying region, and has the infrastructure. Even though the Winter Olympics are more popular in the United States, the Summer Olympics is more marketable and financially successful after Los Angeles 1984 and Atlanta 1996.

    To help pay for the games, both organizing committees relied on corporate sponsorship to build venues. McDonalds gave a huge helping hand in Los Angeles and Coca-Cola sponsored and supplied the beverages at Atlanta. Nike could sponsor basketball and track. Speedo can deal with swimming. Other companies such as Gatorade, Budweiser, Visa, Subway, Kellogg, McDonalds, Bank of America, and Reebok can get involved. This can help bring down the cost and its part of the American culture of capitalism. Many current Olympic athletes have endorsement contracts with these corporations.

    In terms of security, the Department of Homeland Security should step in cover the costs. The 2002 Winter Olympics was considered an National Special Security Event. The British government covered the security in London. That should not be a problem.

    With America's 250th Birthday looming, one of the major cities might host a Summer World's Fair/Exposition to mark the anniversary . Out of all the potential cities, the City of Philadelphia will probably host since the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution was adopted there. Even though the Summer Olympics in 2024 or 2028 is two years apart from the big birthday celebration, Philadelphia could be the most logical city to host the games. Rio hosted the 2007 Pan-American Games and had most of the venues and infrastructure built, increasing IOC appeal. The 1904 Olympics was given to Chicago, but was moved to St. Louis coincide with the World's Fair.

    The United States should strongly consider to bid and host the Olympics in the next decade. It will help spur the movement for a new generation, help the IOC with financial need, and coincide with the birthday celebration.

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