JonnoInMelbourne
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What it shows is that Brisbane offers the lowest weather of a September Olympics than either Sydney and especially Melbourne.
Low chance of rain,low chance of very hot weather and a high chance of clear blues skies with ideal mid 20s weather.
Sydney can offer this as well,but a likelyhood of a possible cool,wet day or 2,while Melbourne is highly likely to have a weather interuppted Olympics with the high chance of at least rain every second day and very limited days that will have ideal conditions.
If the Olympics were held in Melbourne in mid to late October,the chances for ideal conditions improve dramatically(like today here in melbourne!),but this is huge disadvantage basing a bid around October.
Anyway,this thread is a Sydney 2040 thread,so I wont go on about Melbourne and Brisbane.
I would love to see another Olympics in Sydney,but i wont hold my breath.Current sporting facilities( although still suitable for an Olympics) make no difference for an event that will take place in 26 years.Sydney and its facilities will be very different to wjat we see now.The same can be said for Melbourne and Brisbane.
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This is a better analysis of weather experienced in Sydney,Melbourne and Brisbane since 1996 and each Olympiad.
Weather observations taken from
Sydney Olympic Park
Melbourne GPO
Brisbane Airport
Brisbane GPO -
If an Olympics were held in 2014,then this is what we got for the main capital cities.
I selectged period: Friday 19th Sept-Sunday 5th Oct 2014
Sydney Olympic Park
Ave Max: 24.4 degC
Rain: 2/17 days (7.4mm)
Ave Hours of Sunshine: 8.2hrs
Brisbane
Ave Max: 25.3 degC
Rain: 4/17 days (24.6mm)
Ave Hours of Sunshine: 5.2hrs
Melbourne
Ave Max: 21.1 degC
Rain: 6/17 days (18.4mm)
Ave Hours of Sunshine: 6.8hrs
Perth
Ave Max: 22.8 degC
Rain: 6/17 days (59.2mm)
Ave Hours of Sunshine: 7.4hrs
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London in August is warmer and drier than Melbourne in September.
Yes,Melbourne is a great place and has distinct qualities,but holding a summer olympics in Melbourne in Sept is a mistake,and opposition wil use this against any advantage Melbourne may have.
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Looking at Melbourne's weather records dated 21st Sept- 6th Oct 1996Dates of the Melbourne 1996 Olympics: September 21 to October 6 (Saturday to a Sunday) One assumes that the Opening Ceremony would have been held on Friday afternoon/evening on the 20th. - Source, my bid books of course, I looked at the chart of the proposed sports dates.
Sydney was September 15th to October 1st.
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http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/MELBOURNE/09-1996/948680.htm
Ave low Temp- 9.6 dec C (49 deg f)
Ave high Temp-16.7 deg C (62 deg f)
Number of rain days -11 ( out of 16 days)
In summary,Melbourne 1996 would of been miserable,cold and wet.
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Ok,comparing London in March to Sep in Melbourne is a little unfair,but a better comparison would be London in May.Unpredictable,a lot of rain,with the occasional warm day,but rarely breaking the 20 deg C mark.Comparing September in Melbourne to March in NYC, London or Paris is totally off. Melbourne's average temp in the second half of September is almost identical to London in June.
Outdoor events would be guaranteed to be rain affected in some manner.
August,Sept and October are Melbourne's wettest 3 months of the year,with an average of over 10 days of main per month.
If the AOC we to put Melbourne up for a September Olympics,this may prove to be a massive weak point on its bid and you can guarantee that opposition bidding cities will be,in some way,pushing this message to the IOC.I can only imagine IOC voting members visiting Melbourne before the bid announcement in September,wearing overcoats and dodging rain whilst they inspect the venues.
The AOC know this,and while many are pointing a bias towards John Coates,i know in the past that Phil Coles and also Kevan Gosper(a melbournian) has expressed their concerns over a Melbourne Olympic scheduling problem.
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You are right ,Melbourne is a great city,but you wouldnt host a summer games in September.Both those images are from the 90s.Melbourne isn't a city like Sydney that you see, its a city that you do. Its character and image isn't defined by any particular vista. Sydney's image is one of the most famous and beautiful in the world, not many other places in the world (let alone Australia) can compete with that. On its own, Melbourne has a huge amount to offer. Its a cosmopolitan, big city with a great culture and beautiful streetscapes.
As you wouldnt host an Olympics in March in New York,London or Paris.
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Actually,it was.Sydney 2000 wasn't exactly balmy either..
http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/HOMEBUSH_OLYMPIC_S/09-2000/957650.htm
Ave max temp over 25 deg c,with 4 days that had rained.
Nights were cool,but overall the weather was superb.
Ive been in Melbourne long enough to know that Melb in September is not the right time for an Olympics
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The AOC have stated previously that their next preference is Brisbane,based on the climatic concerns of Melbourne.
Even looking at Melbournes weather back in September 2012 and looking at the period of 15th Sep to 1st Oct( same as Sydney 2000),you can understand the AOCs concerns.
Out of the 15 days,it wouldve rained on 11 days.
Ave max high wouldve been only 16.9 deg C
And only 7.8 deg C minimum.
Melbourne in Sep is too cold and wet for a summer olympics
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I have said it before,and I will say it again.
Melbourne's biggest challenge is the weather.
When could Melbourne expect to host an Olympics?
August/Sept?.. Way too cold
Any time outside this period will not be acceptable to the IOC and international federations.
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How is it possible that Melbourne hosts an Olympics in July,August or September?
It aint going to happen.
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Dont know if anyone hasnt mentioned yet,but OC is available in full on Official Site
http://www.youtholympicgames.org/asp/vod.asp?filename=140810_OC_Opening_Ceremony'>http://www.youtholympicgames.org/asp/vod.asp?filename=140810_OC_Opening_Ceremony
Not sue if that link works.
Go to "video on demand" link from main site
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Sydney was the first Games I really got to love venues and "study" them.
The Olympic Park masterplan at the time was great inspiration for me.
Im lucky to have worked at Sydney Olympic Park from 1990-1998.I saw it transfer from a run down abattoir to a superb Olympic venue.The atmosphere in the park and all around Sydney was something ill never forget.
Great times!
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Better you than me, its a complete time drain to do this, I did it last time.
I think they are about right with Germany, France, Italy, Japan and Korea, and than the countries that have 1 singular amazing chance at a medal. I think the Dutch, British and Aussies are too high,
The increase in the Australian tally over Athens is due to a stronger swim team.The womens especially are much stronger than 4 years ago with many more World Record holders than what we had in 2004.Most other sports...especially cycling have seen a downturn.....
Personally I think Australia will probably get around 20 Gold and around 50 medals
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SI is fairly accurate for Australia...
2004-SI predicted 19 Gold..We got 17
I remember 2000 also wasnt far off the mark.
As for 2008
Gold :22
Silver 14
Bronze: 18
Total:54
That would easily be our most succesful Games...
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Whats your favourite stadium from past games and how do they differ from today??
Ill start with the Sydney 2000 Olympic Stadium(now Telstra Stadium)
Sydney Olympic Stadium -2000
capacity-110,000
Sydney Olympic Stadium (Telstra Stadium) -2004
capacity-83,500
Sydney 2040
in Future Bids Discussion
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Clover Moore is the Mayor of the City of Sydney.
The City of Sydney is just 1 of 38 local government areas in the Sydney Metro area.
Population of the City of Sydney is 160,000
Population of Greater Sydney is 4,700,000
Clover Moore is irrelevant.