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  1. The cards are on the table, may the best win! The best of luck to Tokyo, Istanbul and Madrid
  2. Bit disappointed too with Madrid's presentation. Actually disappointed with the presentations of the three cities. I'm surprised to see no questions about the economy for Madrid, seems like they've hammered down very well that point. The doping and Operacion Puerto questions were obviously tough, but they seemed to navigate their answer quite well. Anyway, tough question round for the three cities, and my perception is that Madrid maybe gave the best answers or were better prepared for the questions. Prince Felipe's speech was the best of the day, that I have no doubt, although it surprised me that the talked so much about Barcelona. My feel is that the presentations reassure the general perception, with Madrid and Tokyo in the final round. I don't think they will be a game changer.
  3. I was actually half hoping for Shinzo Abe to scream out "Will somebody please think of the children?!?!"
  4. The seem to be over acting a bit to me. Very nice presentation still, better than I expected, but not so bombastic.
  5. The music of that video reminded me of a Nintendo video game
  6. Nice start, and they seem to be making an effort to appear and feel passionate and warm!
  7. I don't know, but I have the impression that Istanbul might have just shot itself on the foot. And the emotional card they pulled was already used by London. Hardly imaginative. I really expected their presentation to be much more bombastic, I really disappointed, I really wanted them to win...
  8. Mmmm, maybe they bettered their presentation a bit towards the ends, but still, it was a let down for me, expected a much better presentation for them. My analysis: They gave a very vague explanation of their master plan, not addressing the concerns of the IOC with transport. Also, they seemed a bit too demanding for me, and their hidden comparisons with the Spanish and Japanese bid... They should have kept those to themselves. Also, they did not pull the emotional card I expected from them, that young generation card was already used by London in their bidding times! And Erdogan... I expected him to perform badly, bu he seemed angry and somehow blaming the IOC for something that we are yet to know. Anyway, no doubt that they would host the most spectacular Games of the three cities, but if I was and IOC member I would not vote for them based only on this presentation. And such a tough question about doping!
  9. Ok, now I'm really disappointed with their presentation, focusing too much on themselves, and also, that background voice on the video reminded me of Big Brother!!
  10. One thing is clear, Erdogan is no Lula da Silva
  11. Isn't Istanbul trying to fish in Madrid's pond when saying that they have the lowest budget of the three cities? But contradictory. Also, too many comparisons with Japan and Spain. I actually expected their presentation to be a bit better, really.
  12. Gotta say, I would be über excited to see the Games go to Istanbul just because of the beautiful vistas. They would make some of the most photogenic Games ever, if not the most photogenic. I just can't get enough of that Bosporus view with the silhouette of Hagia Sophia and the Blue Mosque.
  13. OMG, I've just seen in TF1 (Télé France) that their special correspondent in BA has that the votes might be swinging around 35-40 for Madrid, around 30-35 for Intanbul, and actually Tokyo having the least! around 25 votes. He said that in the corridors the IOC has valued well Turkey's fight against doping and the low-cost vision from Madrid, and this is TeleFrance, they really don't have much interest in this (apart from Paris 2024). Goodness me that was unexpected, I really did not expect Tokyo falling in the first round à la Chicago. In case this is true and that it happens this way of course...
  14. With all the votes that EL Mundo, CNNTurk and the Kyodo Agency say that have been secured for their respective bids we would have several IOCs already
  15. ^Agreed, if El Mundo is so sure about that they should give names of their sources not just "sources close to the IOC", because I for one can invent a lot of things and disguise them as "information from inside the voting" Maybe they need something to fill the pages of their newspapers, but this empty speculations does nothing but harming Madrid's chances if this article reaches Buenos Aires, and surely it will. And by the way, how can they know if someone will vote for this or that? Isn't the vote secret? And if someone ought to know whether these members have said yes to Madrid that should be the bid team and the three Spanish members, and I doubt that they can be as dumb as to publicly say who is going to vote for whom.
  16. GDP can be measured in various ways: the nominal GDP, that is to say the total volume of money produced in a country and measured in international dollars. Then there is GDP by PPP, that is to say Purchasing Power Parity, taking into account both inflation in the country, the relative value of the currency in which it is measured and the total purchasing power of the population, taking into account the GDP per capita and CPI (you know, Consumer Prices Index). And lastly, there is GDP by PPP per capita, which takes again the total Purchasing Power Parity of the GDP divided by the total population of the country in the middle of the year. So, therefore you are right, South Korea has a bigger GDP by PPP than Spain, but then again, that is why I said "in volume", meaning that Spain still has a larger nominal GDP than SK, as well has a higher GDP by PPP per capita. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) Sorry about the Economics epigraph
  17. That's why I said "to a lesser extent" as the Winter OG had never been held outside Europe and North America. And as for Spain, their economy is still bigger than that of Turkey's and South Korea in volume, problems and banks apart, and they have their prince lobbying there, that's what I meant by them being in BA before. Their Prime Minister is going to be in Saint Petesburg in the G20 summit until friday or saturday! they have some kind of special status in the G20 Now don't get me wrong, you all know my favourite candidate is Istanbul, but I'm preparing for them not winning, and embracing all the possibilities!
  18. I think that Madrid might have found itself on the right place and at the right time. The media continuously talks about a genuine push inside the IOC to scale down the Games in cost so as to make them available for as many cities and countries as possible; they talk about bringing the games somewhere on Southeast Asia, therefore if this trend inside the IOC is genuine, it greatly favors Madrid (financial problems apart) as they preach this very same thing. And also, Madrid might have found the least competitive race in decades, with only three cities in the running and all of them not free of problems of different kinds. In addition, it may be that after the games in Sochi and Rio, and to a lesser extent, Pyeongchang, which both count as "risky" new frontiers, they may want to have a calm time and award the Games to a city that they know will o`provide the Games smoothly and with the least problems, favouring both Tokyo and Madrid. In any case, it all depends on how well the cities sell their product to the IOC and on how well they manage the inside job and politics in the IOC, and at this, I perceive that Madrid have the advantage; they have been lobbying much earlier than any of the two, since Sunday, while Istanbul and Tokyo are waiting for their political leaders and have not yet started lobbying intensively.
  19. Some Spanish and Japanese newspapers and news agencies are claiming today that both Tokyo's and Madrid's bids have secured as many as 40 votes each, more than enough to get them both on to the final, leaving them needing only 9-10 more votes to win in the hypothetical final round. I don't know how we'll informed these newspapers might be or whether their sources might be reliable, but the figures give in both sites more or less concord with each other.
  20. I've read somewhere that the host city will be announced at around 17:30, in Buenos Aires' local time; the times that Amarillo has posted are CET Times.
  21. Indeed, I agree with you that for all the cities the circumstances were different than they are now, but my point is that precisely because of that, I think that we should not base ourselves too much on what has happened on past votes, specially when this race has been said as "too tight to call". Past vote ceilings do not mean anything actually, as the circumstances have changed, and this applies to all the cities; like what you said, look at Paris, going from 18 in 2008 to over 50 in 2012. Every election is different. As someone has said before, I'm sure the three cities as behemently fighting to get votes in Buenos Aires as we speak, and like Athensfan says, I perceive that the Turks are the weakest when it comes to lobbying, again, this is my perception, they may actually be PR beasts. And about Tokyo and Madrid, they have their past experiences, they will have learnt anything from the past about how the IOC works and what they have to do to gain votes. And while I see the Spaniards and the Japanese more or less on the same league in lobbying, I also perceive that the Spanish have a (slight) advantage; after all, they are European, maybe closer or more passionate than the Japanese, and the language barrier is not as big. But both the Japanese and the Spaniards have the same problem of focusing too much on "how" that are going to do it, rather than "why". However, what I am sure about is that the Japanese will need to prop up their final presentation somehow, they tend to be dull to the extreme and also somewhat unattractive; I don't have that concern about either Istanbul's or Madrid's presentations.
  22. I'm yet to see any of the three cities coming up with a compelling argument like Rio did!
  23. Based on past votes only, Istanbul never got over the 17 vote ceiling, while Toyko in 2016 peaked at 22. Based on this, there would still be over 20 votes to be allocated among the three cities. Also, I agree that JAS's effect on his friends might've won Madrid votes, but I think that that last plea he made could have had also the opposite effect from those members that wanted to clearly differenciate and break away from the past Samaranch era and urging them not to vote for Madrid. In addition, in 2016 the latin american vote was surely divided, if not going entirely to Rio, this time I guess that they will vote for Madrid for obvious reasons... In the end we will never know what goes on in the complicated minds of IOC members.
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