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RBBrittain

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  1. I agree with you. But how else do you explain those flames then? But either they're repairing the damage from last night this morning or maybe they put in flame-proof cables there knowing they would be singed by flames??

    As explained earlier, I believe the cauldron was on the stadium's rim during last night's test; it will be lit on the track at the edge of the stadium floor, then lifted into place on the rim between two of the cables radiating from the center assembly. I can't completely rule out a flame-proof cable assembly above an elevated platform, however.

    Why? The cable assembly is at roof level. The (purported) cauldron from the video is well above roof level. So, as long as it is lit in its final position - which appears to be the case, from the video - the wires wouldn't get in the way of the cauldron's flames.

    But if it's lit at floor level, as the Bannister stories suggest, and THEN raised above the cables (as opposed to the baron's idea where only the flames themselves rise above the cables), the cauldron or its lighting mechanism will have to go THRU the cable level; that can't happen at the center (or the Tor) due to cables directly overhead. The location on the rim suggested by the earlier picture makes more sense; there should be a gap between cables there.
  2. *BREAKING NEWS*

    I will be able to tell you with absolutely no doubts where the cauldron is located, what it looks like, and the method of lighting!

    I'll just have to wait 6 or 7 more hours for my source to confirm it.

    :P

    As I'm right in the middle of NBC land, your source will still beat mine. :o

    I didn't say it was suspended in mid-air. The cauldron will rise from a platform in the ground to many feet in the air. And naturally, the flames would then add another how-many-feet for a total height.

    I was assuming that. The cable assembly I was talking about would STILL have been flame-broiled by last night's test, as it appears to be DIRECTLY OVER the center of the stadium. :P
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  3. I understand your concerns about the fabric, of course.

    The thing people are forgetting is that I believe the cauldron rose from the ground, on a rising platform/device that probably rose 25-30 feet (which would be as high as the Lake Placid platform) into the air; and then it started shooting flames upwards last night. And as I said, since that was the first time, there was a lot of pent-up gas in the pipes, therefore you were getting HUGE flames. But all that had nothing to do with a 'suspended' cauldron. The flames were just high because (a) there was all that pent-up gas; ( B) they were still calibrating the amount of gas to © get the right 'ceremonial burn' as they say.

    And if it is Bannister, then it jibes perfectly that he would just light a lower cauldron at stage-level; and then it rises ever-higher on a platform.

    The problem with a center-of-stadium cauldron is seen in one of the earlier photos, which shows a group of cables from all rims of the stadium coming together at the center; if the cauldron were there, that cable assembly probably went up in smoke last night. I'm pretty sure the final location is on the rim, but it'll have to move from the floor for Bannister (or the like) to light it.
  4. Had another look through my photos from Monday.

    This perfectly shows what I was talking about.

    The difference between the clouds which were used and the cloud which sat on the roof.

    I don't actually want the cauldron to be or to be on the cloud but its a nice bit of speculation.

    50nz47.jpg

    From that shot I do NOT think that's the cauldron; the flames would engulf the cables & pulley assembly, which wouldn't last for long. OTOH, a movable cauldron like Sydney's might work with a special cable harness.
  5. That wouldn't completely jibe with the quote. The article states: "

    IOC coordination commission chair Denis Oswald tells

    ATR

    there definitely is a cauldron, but confirms it will only be visible within the Olympic Stadium." (My emphasis.) So even if it were lit in the stadium, then moved to a place visible outside the stadium, Oswald would still be lying. But, as you note, that would not be unprecedented; nor would it be terribly surprising.

    I'd call it a "white lie"; the lighting "will only be visible within the Olympic Stadium", but not the burning flame. That would be less of a lie than Atlanta. ;)

    I did not intend to imply that you did.

    I wasn't sure, so I was just being clear. In any case, whoever put it in Wikipedia may have done so on the way from the OC--after a quick stop at the betting parlor, that is. :P
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  6. In past Olympics, has the cauldron design, location and the person lighting it ever been such a mystery?

    I think the Sydney cauldron was a secret but did people guess Kathy Freeman?

    The cauldron lighter is usually a secret till the OC itself, though IIRC some did guess Cathy Freeman. OTOH, I don't recall the cauldron design AND location being THIS secret before, not even at Sydney (the location was known, but not the design) or Beijing (the design was leaked a few days before).

    As far as the ATR article, I think my suggestion explains it: The lighting itself will be well within the stadium, as ATR reported; but the cauldron will then move to the stadium rim. But then it's not the first time OC organizers have lied about the cauldron lighting; I recall newspaper articles in 1996 suggesting the lighter would run thru a skybridge from the Atlanta stadium up a stairway inside the cauldron tower, but we all know now that's NOT how Muhammad Ali did it. ;)

    (@tractarian: Just to clarify, I did NOT use Wikipedia in my research; as I said it may OR may not be Bannister. I used only the linked article, which suggested guesses from OC volunteers as the reason WHY Bannister went from 23:1 odds to being pulled from the boards at 1:1. Those guesses could also have inspired the Wikipedia edit--or not.)

  7. I have been lurking for what seems like the last 100 pages, but I think I have something that might affect the discussion--this Yahoo! Sports article about how Roger Bannister has suddenly become the favorite in British betting to light the cauldron. The important thing here is NOT Bannister himself (it could still be someone else), but the story as to HOW he became the favorite; evidently #savethesurprise does NOT apply at William Hill or Ladbrokes :P :

    The reason behind the flood of money wagered on Bannister is believed to stem from the two full rehearsals for the Opening Ceremony that have taken place this week.

    Even though the dry runs did not reveal the identity of the torch bearer, witnesses told how the occasion seemed to be set up to accommodate a track athlete and possibly an older figure. Event organizer Danny Boyle has pleaded with the volunteers and crowds who watched the rehearsal to "save the surprise" – even setting up a Twitter petition based around that theme. Some though, could clearly not resist trying to profit from the experience.

    "I am not going to place a bet but it did look like it was set up for a runner from the past," said one Olympic volunteer. "When you try to imagine which famous figure would fit best into the way the Ceremony was conducted, Bannister was the obvious one to come to mind."

    That suggests the cauldron will be lit on the stadium floor, at a low enough level where an older track athlete (maybe Bannister, maybe someone else) could easily light it. Together with what's been posted here today (including the new cable picture which pretty much nixes the center of the stadium), I suspect it'll be raised from the edge of the field to the "most logical position"; it may OR may not be the "mystery cloud".
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