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  1. Somehow irreverent to the ceremony conservatives like me, but strangely, pleasantly understated and beautiful. Projections are here to stay and they are a love hate for me. As mentioned quite short before parade, but probably more to come. The environmental aspect is nice, esp the tree for each nation. I moss the formal elements around rings, fanfare and anthem, it seems the stage, projection and lighting scheme share a lot with D Atkins Vancouver Ceremony, and that's not a bad thing. I've missed you all. I am apprehensive about kinetic cauldrons. Enjoy the rest of the show
  2. As a note i think the timing is not perfect as I think the fireworks were meant to finished after the cauldron was in it's final position. I Which would give footage at the finale of the music ie first music finale the cauldron finishes rising second finale is end of fireworks above it. (Redux 2 doesnt really work as the cutting has to be heavily edited to get the timing righ.t)
  3. Hi All, A bit unrelated to the upcoming closing ceremony but relevant to the conversation a few pages ago about the sydney 'glitch'. I have recut the Sydney lighting without the glitch as an attempt to understand the how it may have looked. There are two versions, but both show the 'be careful what you wish for' mantra, it may not work perfectly after all. Anyway interesting all the same. I hope you all enjoy the last hours of sochi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fexvnluyNuU
  4. On Demand viewing would be algorithm or time controlled ad breaks, that why it would interrupt the stream at strange times, i guess NBC may be a bit more attentive to this. Comparing Australian vs CBC coverage the commentary is definately more informative on CBC for most winter sports and the hockey coverage as an extension of Hockey Night in Canada is unmatched by any other broadcaster. I have not seen any NBC coverage these games but there has been alot left to be desired at previous games. great to hear NBC getting better, but watching Ten Australia/CBC this year has shown how much standardisation is now occuring with OBS becoming the dominant force (comparatively to Beijing (no OBS) and Vancouver (First OBS)). Question remains is NBC getting better or is it just because of OBS? (I'm not sure - open for debate)
  5. London's Cauldron was aesthetically beautiful I agree, but it is a stretch to say a cauldron that could not be seen for the first week of the olympics and had to be relit by a cherry picker is 'functionally beautiful'.
  6. I really don't think it looked that bad, lobsided sure,but each to their own. Combined with the clever camera angles and the OC set/stages in BC place, I think still the indor caudlron still made made for an impressive and nice image at the end of the ceremony broadcast. I Agree that in still photos it was not the best.
  7. thats coo nzl, i got what you meant, agree to disagree but all friendly I promise...
  8. It looks really good, and the crowds look much much better.
  9. I am assuming the above is directed at me out of the your multi quote commentary. In regard to the photos, we are going to have to agree to disagree, because if I showed anyone i know who is not obsessed with the olympics like me, the two above photos, I know which one they would see the problem in first, the rings. And if you have not seen anything or know anything about either photo as you suggest then the same delayed theory works for both. ie you could assume the four leg is just delayed. Like I said before from a broadcast perspective the vancouver glitch was very obvious, just as the rings segment being the opening climax and the musical climax was very obvious. But as an internet wildfire, now with even tshirts you can buy, makes the rings a much more iconic glitch, one easily understood by all. In any case this is silly and any comparison to other glitches does not prove/disprove that fun could or could not be made of it in the closing ceremony. I still would like to see it happen, (it probably wont) and like someone else said, they do not have to use a rubber chicken either. ^ I have to disagree, Vancouver was not the first closing ceremony to have a skit, sydney's cc had a staged skit aswell. Whilst I agree with your thought it would be good to have something uniquely russian, there are things that are good to see in closing ceremony's that you may see as unpassable as they are too close to to other CC's, for me, these common threads are things that make the tradition and pagentry of Olympic Ceremonies truly special. I think the ceremonies would be lesser without them and the interest is to see how the host country will interpret these traditions and ceremony framework, including things such as the countdown, the releasing of the doves (done brilliantly in Sochi as ballet - distinctly russian) and the rings segment. Also I am unsure why you would 'Rage' if they did russian music across the generation> As a good majority of Closing Ceremonies showcase their musical talent in a live concert Party for the atheletes. London was not unique in this regard, but just happened to be probably the most entertaining version due to the breadth of British Musical Talent.
  10. What the???????? I will leave any response for morning
  11. Sorry if it is a bit off topic for this thread, but for anyone who is interested, there are few interesting things in the powerhouse museums digital sydney 2000 collection including some draft torch designs and the torch that was modified for spaceflight on the shuttle. http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/collection=Sydney_2000_Olympic_and_Paralympic_Games My last post for a while, to clarify it appears that the design above may have only been a design for the community cauldron not stadium cauldron, though, I did see information proposing this for the stadium somewhere out there.
  12. Rols its part of the Powerhouse museum collection http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=502594 It is referenced to be created by bang design, but I understand each submission for the cauldron was mentored by birch, interestingly we know that birch's required waterproofing of the north stand for the chosen cauldron design was part of the early designs for stadium australia, so I dont know if these other cauldron designs really had a chance if they were produced in 1998 (the stadium was finished in 1999). Its not a bad design but probably would have had to sit lower in the stands on permanent stage with pool, a bit like rio2007 and same games time position as the london cauldron. For this reason I am happy they went for something that would be visible outside the stadium.
  13. I actually think birch kind of modified this idea for torino, albiet perhaps more elegantly:
  14. I would probably have to agree runningrings, but interestingly in a recent CBC interview with John Furlong it seems that the ice sculpture coming from the floor was actually what david atkins used to sell his services to VANOC. I think it was a bit odd, though i did not mind the main cauldron and its campfire look. We have to remember that they had the issue of being the first indoor cauldron in a highly volatile positive pressure stadium, they needed something that worked well from the centre stage and more conventional cauldron may have looked odd. London I think did a more aesthetically attractive central cauldron though. I wonder if this original design for sydney 2000 david worked with ric birch on was inspiration for this:
  15. I agree the pole was annoying on the stadium cauldron, and doubling back slightly in defence of baron, if this picture went around in canada, everyone would know it was refering to the missing leg, but again it is not as universal as the sochi rings
  16. Baron, I would Like to think I am usually very measured in my posts, even if they are full of typos lately. Please re-read my post, I never said it was not obvious on the broadcast, I even said that the glitch in vancouver was more obvious compared to sydney because there were four lighters and three legs: While vancouver glitch was more obvious than the sydney lighting because there were clearly four lighters, more obvious delay/music looping and only three legs to light No one is suggesting that anyone who watched the ceremony did not notice the probelm, especially with gretsky's horrible poker face in comparison to cathy freeman's. I simply said that because it was not known what the cauldron should look like, seeing a photo of the three legged cauldron does not show an obvious problem in the same way a photo of 4 rings open on the most famous symbol in the world shows. I even qualified the glitch was probably worse in vancouver than sochi, but this error has more reach beyond those who watch ceremonies, as it can be immediately obvious that there was a massive problem. Clearly Vancouver is very obvious if you watch the footage, but not in the same prolific and symbolic way the sochi glitch is. For the record, I am not sochi bashing either, I have said before and again now that the sochi OC was very very well executed. I actually think the snow flake to ring is the most impressive rings since athens, it just didn't work. The olympic rings are the olympic rings anyone and everyone know when they are wrong. On athens, if one ring failed to light on the pool of water, or one ring failed to be forged in london there would be just as much glitch fallout as sochi.....
  17. Also baron, I really disagree with you. While vancouver glitch was more obvious than the sydney lighting because there were clearly four lighters, more obvious delay/music looping and only three legs to light, it was less impacting as a glitch because no one really knew what the cauldron was supposed to look like, it was not making a known shape or symbol, it just looked lobsided from certain camera angles and then we saw the main cauldron of how it was supposed to look. In Vancouver, the closing ceremony rounded out the honour for the fourth lighter very nicely and was in great taste. The sochi glitch while minor, was a glitch on the most recognised logo/symbol in world. Everyone and anyone knew it was wrong and it can be sent viral in images and animation and the error is clear. I could send as many photos of the three legged cauldron as I like, and people would just say, 'olympic cauldron' ok - some might pick it, others won't. The only way a cauldron glitch would be as universally obvious would be if a cauldron didn't light at all or went out. I say universally obvious though, I don't if it is the worst glitch, that could be vacouver.. but this snowflake unfortunately IMHO is the most obvious glitch. meant to read: 'it was less impacting as a glitch than the sochi rings because".....
  18. I agree torchbearer it was not the same sort of glitch as vancouver, it was not really as significant a failure and they don't need to glorify the glitch by changing all the snowflakes into rings (sydney had the aforementioned similar issue in the firework eternity sequence - that did work correctly in the dress rehearsal as well like sochi). This is why I think it would be funnier and in lighthearted tradition of great CC's for them to have all five snowflakes but this time only have the one that glitched open, i think it come across to all as deliberate and would help diffuse the overreaction twitter storm of the glitch. Maybe even putin kicking some box on the stadium floor, getting frustrated and walking off. Okay that may never happen, but if I was ceremonies director, I would do it.
  19. Yeah it has been getting better.
  20. Fair enough, I still wish they never separated the mast from the saucer when they made the cauldron fountain, but I guess there was alot of temporary gas hardware to remove and that main burner, while having that elegant tall frame would be alot less efficient to relight on occasional events.
  21. But they really made up for it at the beginning of the closing ceremony. On that point, I would love if sochi repeated the rings segment in their closing, but inverting the issue, ie the one that didn't open opens and the other four stay closed. It would be a good way to convince the world that russia can be 'fun'
  22. ^ wow sorry to anyone who has to get through all those typos
  23. i agree with Baron and Olympian regard to this might be a result of the Knowledge Transfer Programme, more specifically, I imagine this is handled now by OBS. What is becoming increasingly obvious watching Sochi from both the Canadian and Australian Broadcasts is that broadcasters are becoming increasingly reliant on the standard OBS feeds and are not even cutting in their own edits into the OBS master feed for most events. I think a reason for this is, that while each broadcaster may want to edit for australian/other athletes in specific big draw card events, the demand of 6-8 channel live streaming means the many events only get commentary overlay and dont edit on top of the main OBS feed. I actually think this is good in some ways and I think the universal OBS model, vs previous OBO's is a great step forward for consistency and allievates a good deal of pressure from olympic hosts. I suppose it is a shame in some ways as it limits the local tv production crews from having more comprehensive involvement/experience from hosting the broadcasting in a more complete way. I know for example the production value of the seven network was significantly better overall at live sport broadcasting after the sydney games involvement. I do like the consistent graphics/score package used originally by the OBO's and now OBS. I think the one being used now is version 2 that started in Beijing, as opposed to the more square version one that started in Sydney 2000 and used in Salt Lake, Athens, Turin. What is nice about this version is how it subtly used the look of the current games as blue on blue patterns but ties also ties the olympic footage together from different games and makes that older footage seem less aged despite fouryears between the footage. Lastly, as much as I love custom broadcaster graphics packages (especially CBC's Sochi package), I think it is becoming a little jarring as the OBS graphics are used more and the local broadcaster's graphics are used less. NBC will always do its own thing, but perhaps we will slowly see the OBS graphics take over completely to reaffirm a consistent brand. (in consultation with the ceremonies team)
  24. Its an interesting observation you have about the ending where the cauldron mast lifting the saucer, is as you say far behind sync. No doubt what you are saying is very likely correct and I have no knowledge to dispute it, ironically I think the moment after the music finishes as the cauldron continues to rise over the stadium as the music fades out along with announcement of the concluding ceremony stands as on of my (bias) most enduring favourite moments of any olympic ceremony. (Similar to the athens shot of the cauldron rising above the stadium at the end of that ceremony - which for some reason NBC did not think was worthy of their edit). I often wonder and have wanted to recut the sydney lighting sequence with the correct "Te Deum" music, but I have a feeling that the 2nd stage of travel up the stand was accelerated/faster on the real night than planned. Universal, can you confirm/deny this? Ultimately I think the finish with announcers could not be more perfect, even though I concede when you think about it logically, the music may have simply ran out. Perhaps it was ric birch's experience and creative sensibility that made make this call on the fly, but either way it was an epic save. I also recall someone close to the ceremony explaining there was some concern at the overall gas left in the cauldron saucer was eating into the contigency reserve after becoming stuck, which may have been a reason for an accelerated ascent. Not sure if anyone knows any more on this.
  25. I think there would be very few people on this forum that don't know that the sydney cauldron jammed.....if at all....
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