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  1. As a piece of attrative design, this cauldron really only works from its dead-center looking bottom-up.

    So that's to say that it dosen't work.

    From every other angle, it looks like a bunch of tightly packed trees in the winter whose tops are on fire.

    Oh no, I disagree, you have to see it from the side - it's terrific. (Not, of course, that you can see it, as it's in the stadium.) Seeing the TV coverage of the ceremony and cauldron, compared with the reality in the stadium, has reminded me of how TV can, you know, not always tell the truth.

    NY20?? - great photos, what's the source?

  2. Just back home from Olympic Park. I've not had a chance to see the TV broadcast of the ceremony yet; for me, the opening industrial revolution sequence and transition was one of the most exciting things I have ever seen, the scale of action on the stage was incredible. Edge of the seat stuff. So thrilling. The music segment, well, I hope it came across better on TV. Fun nonetheless, and great to have a narrative.

    Honest question: will many international audiences 'get' signficant parts of the ceremony?

    Ah, the cauldron, it was there in plain sight (on the tickets) all along! I'm going to say that I 'called' part of the lighting correct, being unnamed youth, and I think it fitted rather well into the theme of London 2012 as a whole 'inspire a generation'. I did get the rest of it very wrong though; I knew about the 'aerial dove' and had presumed that it would be carrying the torch to the platform above the Tor, and from there to an external cauldron. Myself and my father (who does not spend any part of his life in forums such as this!) spent a lot of time thinking about the 'cones' that were carried by children with each nation - binoculars out, trying to Google previous ceremonies and protocols - and we ended up concluding that they may be part of the cauldron.

    The lighting was unexpected, and in sharp contrast to most of the night the crowd were very quiet until the cauldron was nearly vertical. I think this was a combination of wonder, and uncertainty about when the lighting was 'complete'.

    I have to say I absolutely love it. Wonderful design, with meaning too. I avoided reading this thread for the past day or two to avoid spoilers - any idea yet where it goes now? It's going to get in the way of the javelin competition! (Joke.)

    Here's a pic. Bless Heatherwick. Great work.


  3. On the night of the 27th, high tide on this part of the Thames will be about 7.20pm. Low tide is about 1.15am and it is low (little more than 1m). This could affect the viability of taking a boat all the way to the Olympic Park.

    Good tidal facts! However most of the Lea and the Bow Back Rivers are non-tidal (with some new infrastructure linked with the Games). Not sure what difference that would make.

  4. It goes to city hall from about 2pm until it goes to the stadium. They haven't specified how it gets to the stadium.

    I believe that the small waterways surrounding the stadium are linked to the Thames because they have advertised being taken all the way up to the gate of the Olympic park via boat. From there it would be easy to get close to the stadium.

    Quite so as this map shows.

    You'd be thinking of the Water Chariots - knowing the story of those involved in setting this up, this was a hugely wasted commercial opportunity. Hey ho.

  5. Discovered a very interesting video of some firework effects being tested on Tower Bridge:

    Good spot.

    As others have said, the torch is resting in the Pool of London in early afternoon and will be arriving at the stadium later (obviously). I know of someone who's accompanying it up the River Lea as part of a coxed eight boat, so a speedboat wouldn't be the only way it travels. But I do like the dream of the Thames being involved in the lighting - think back to Sydney's chain of fireworks in 2000.

    Coincidentally it requires a special dispensation to travel at that speed west of the Thames Barrier; there are no notices of the river being completely closed between now and the end of the games; and there are no scheduled lifts of Tower Bridge on Friday.

    I'm guessing this was a shoot for either a segment of the TV show on Friday (unlikely), or something for our friends at NBC (possible)?

  6. There are other shots which clearly show a center hole.

    Look at one here: http://sportinglife....ould-stage-gp-/

    What's that thing in the center?

    That's a photo I haven't seen before. There's a higher resolution version here; my best guess given the state of the rest of the stage is that this is relatively early in set construction, and that the 'hole' is actually a first bit of the pastoral set.

    I haven't seen a lot of what's under the stage, but from what I remember it's largely supported on a dense series of scaffold props, which makes manouvering things in and around it rather difficult.

    I'm sure Adrian and FD will be chuckling when they read all this, given that they (think they) know where the cauldron is!

  7. May as well keep guessing/discussing, time is running out!

    From this photo (the large version is worth a look) it's clear that no deep hole has been dug into the stadium floor. Many of the rectangular black spots on the photo above in nu4m's post do match with lifts that I've seen on the raised stage. I don't want to go into the spoiler thread for fear of ruining what will be a surprise for me on Friday night (I've gifted my tech rehearsal tickets).

    Key question: as far as we know, has any of the segments used a large, round lift in the centre of the stage during the cultural part of the show?


    London 2012 Olympic stadium, May 2010 by onehourleft, on Flickr

  8. Having said that, I've just seen something on BBC news that makes me wonder if the cauldron could be north east of the stadium. The news was being broadcast from the studio overlooking the Orbit. Towards the right hand edge of the screen I briefly saw a yellow flash lasting a second or two (not a beacon on a vehicle). I rewound the clip and saw a column light up (from ground upwards) and then a flame yellow light on top. It could just be a sculpture I suppose as I hav to say the yellow light didn't look very flame like. I'll try taking a few pictures but don't know how to post them.

    Do you mean like this?

    Belisha Beacons.

  9. Think laterally and expect something even grander than Foundation's fine cauldron! There's an 18 minute interview with Heatherwick on the BBC World Service today http://www.bbc.co.uk...and_25_07_2012/ which, infuriatingly, doesn't mention the Cauldron at all. But listen to how he discusses the bridges, buses and temples he has designed. It will be sculpture with form.

    So I could imagine the cauldron design process going something like this:

    Paul Deighton: "Hey, Tommy boy, loved the rug you made - we've got a little design job for you. Olympic Cauldron"

    Thomas Heatherwick: "Great! I love the Games. Count me in."

    PD: "Good. We've got the basics in place - there's a nice hole just to the north of the stadium, it's rigged for north sea gas, any height you want up to 150 metres. Got the planning permission. Done the environmental impact assessment. Sorted."

    TH: "Hmm, hold on, let's really think about this. What is a cauldron? It's about fire? What is fire? Primal, creative, a spark, the beginning of civilisation. It's sinuous, nebulous, mysterious. It represents life - and death."

    PD: "Ur, I guess..."

    TH: "So we can't just stick it in a bowl on top of a stick, can we lad? The lighting of the flame needs to be a moment. Imagine a ball rising from the ground, like St Elmos Fire, tumbling from the sky and rising from the ground. That's what a cauldron means - a crucible"

    PD: "But what about the gas pipes? We've spent thousands on them."

    TH: "Use is as a drain, and to confuse those poor saps on the internet with nothing better to do than speculate, rather than create"

    (If the programme isn't available outside the UK, I'll see if I can download and share the file.)

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  10. I'll be interested and a little surprised if the cauldron is within the stadium, but in the absence of any better answers it could be the right one!

    I have two words of caution about the lighting and rising theory though (good as it would be to see the Cauldron rise from under the stage into the middle of the field of athletes:

    (i) the original planning application for the stadium gives a good indication of whatever underground works have been approved. There is no hole in the middle of the field of play (not to say that this wasn't amended subsequently)

    (ii) if the cauldron is to be directly in the centre of the stadium, then the lifting mechanism cannot move it to one side, unless the cauldron is more heavily weighted to one side, as the twelve lifting wires meet at the centre of the field. There is a lateral lifting mechanism but I don't know how much weight it can handle

    The more I think about 'the moment', the more I think it is going to blow our tiny little minds. We need to stop thinking about cauldrons as a physical thing, and just be ready to be wowed.

    Exciting, no?

  11. Well, none of us know if the story's true or not although it seems rather unlikely. Even if it were on the ledge at the north es of the stadium, it would still be visible from outside - you can see the machinery at this part of the stadium roof from the outside.

    I had a good look around the Park today before the gates opened - a couple of photos to share when I get home. There is <nothing> immediately obvious on the perimeter. Although my pet belief that it will be on that square north of the stadium is getting harder to defend, what I will say is that that is NOT a concrete slab; it's actually a set of steel covers over a whole of unknown (shallow) depth. So that is something that can open. Part of a drainage system? Probably. Base for a tower? Possibly...

    So I'm sticking with my original guess in the other tread. 48 hours to an answer.

    Oh, and if you needed more evidence that it's not the Orbit, think how even a flame on top of the observation deck would still be under the arch. Unattractive.

    And to the friend that I discovered last night is an anonymous reader of this thread, hello!

  12. That's the same area as the other pictures (and it can be seen in the pictures above). Ive not seen it up close, so it may indeed just be a cover for high voltage cables. Presumably the extra power is needed for the opening ceremony lighting and effects. Anyway, I still think this area is worth watching as it would be a logical location for the cauldron.

    Correct. There is an immense amount of lighting, sound (and video) gear in the stadium that would be removed even if the building were to remain intact. Just as film studios bring in power when a particular stage is being used, rather than having every stage cabled permanently, so with the Olympic Stadium. So it's not the black scaffold construction, which is netting covering the cables.

    I'm more surprised that people haven't discussed the white bit inbetween the netting...

  13. o0ry46.jpg

    This is the area I was referring to which shows where the large black cube structure is being built in the Northwest by the pods. Notice how its been built above the walkway which appears to lead into the stadium itself.

    This is an old photo. That ramp leads down to one of the vomitories that lead into the stadium itself, and the two gangways are cable bridges linking down to the several barges on which some of the monster amount of power units for the stadium sit. You'll see those barges in a series of photos way, way back in this thread.

    Sorry to be the bearer of disappointing non-cauldron news!

  14. Thanks kinetic! Surely if there's been no other planning applications, this is surely the cauldron's location? Is that area where the Orbit currently stands?

    Nope, the Orbit to the south-east of the stadium. Without being overly self-referential, I've explained why I think it's not the Orbit here and here.

    I'd imagine that the "intense helicopter activity" is probably TV related i.e. aerial shots of the stadium and surrounding area during the opening ceremony?

    I've been told that in the peak period in London, there will be five OBS aircraft in the air (e.g. triathlon and marathon events).

  15. Chris Hoy has been nominated to carry the British flag in the Opening Ceremony, which surprised me a little - I had him marked as a potential cauldron lighter.

    Regarding how it may be lit, I half expect something astonishing and aerial (which might require governmental permission) but I've been monitoring the NOTAMS for London City airport and there's nothing particularly notable here. (NOTAMs are safety bulletins for aerodromes.) This:

    H3511/12 NOTAMN
    Q) EGTT/QWELW/IV/BO /AW/000/015/5133N00001W002
    A) EGLC  1207211900 C) 1207272359
    D) 1900-2359
    513422N 0000119E  513213N 0000120E  513147N 0000052W  513225N
    0000246W  513432N 0000341W. INCLUDING FIREWORK DISPLAYS UP TO 800FT
    12-07-0619/0621/0114/0119/AS 6
    F) SFC G) 1500FT AMSL
    CREATED: 18 Jul 2012 20:42:00

    Means that there will be lots of aerial activity in the Olympic Park area until midnight on the 27th (although expect this to be extended), but nothing about 1,500' and no fireworks above 800'.

  16. Just seen some latest pictures, theres something being buil to the South of the stadium near the orbit! Any ideas?


    Not quite sure what you mean by 'south' here, given that this photo is taken from the North West of the stadium. If you're referring to the tower to the left of the picture, that's a long-under-construction residential block.

    Firstly, a question- early on in this thread someone posted a link to this:


    This seems to show an area where the cauldron could be- is this now obsolete? (Apologies if it's been covered earlier in the thread, I've not had time to read every page! :P )

    A couple of pages back someone posted a picture of a tower outside an Ikea? Can anyone explain what this is? :unsure:

    Welcome thepianoman!

    I think you'll find different opinions about the planning application. In my opinion it's a no-brainer that this is where the cauldron will stand, but I'm very ready to be proved wrong. (Although not on the Orbit thank you.)

    The Ikea tower marks the site of a big residential/commercial development in Stratford, and is not directly linked with the Olympics. (Apologies for linking to the Mail.)

  17. According to TEBC on Skyscrapercity, Brazilian TV will be broadcasting from one of the blue studios below the hexagonal BBC studio on top of this complex.


    Ah, not quite, I think they're in the apartment block converted into a broadcast tower, Lund Point:



    The BBC has the top floor, and other broadcasters have rented space below. A good idea really.

  18. More evidence that the lighting is going to be different to what has gone before. I'm reasonably sure I know at least part of the 'moment', and it is going to be both beautiful and clever. (I don't buy the five athletes idea, I think it's press speculation.)

    London 2012 Olympics: five athletes may light flame at opening ceremony - One of the men deciding who will light the Olympic cauldron at Friday night’s opening ceremony has given a strong hint yet that it will not be Sir Steve Redgrave or Daley Thompson.

  19. Thats one ugly ticket.

    That's one expensive ugly ticket!

    Looking at that high resolution photo, two minor things of note (and agreed that the pods are all catering venues):

    1. The walkway on the opposite bank, down by the river, will be accessible to Olympic Park visitors - note the ramp down, and the three recycling bins

    2. The green bridge across to the other side of the river is fenced off, meaning it cannot be easily accessed

    (And some of the props from the bike section are still there. Galling!)


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