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  1. I agree that we are starting to see bits of the Olympic closing and Paralympic opening that expose some narrative issues with the Olympic opening. I think you make a good point, in that enlightenment would have made a great follow on from Pandemonium. Not to sound like a broken record, or go off topic, but the Olympic opening should have been more of Green Pastures, then Pandemonium, and instead of NHS/Social media.. a modern enlightenment section with direct references to the social change brought on as a consequence of the industrial revolution, which Britain then gave to the world via its
  2. Again, this same sentiment rising up from the Toronto camp about "WE NEED THE LEGACY AND VENUES" as a reason for deserving to host the Olympics. I remember it underlining everything in their (great) 2008 bid, but its seriously nauseating and veers close to showing a sentiment of superiority over other (more deserving?) candidates. If Toronto wants world class venues for its Olympic athletes that badly, (like, that badly enough to self-justify bidding for the Olympics), it should be building these venues REGARDLESS of an Olympic bid. Sydney's International Aquatic Centre was under construction
  3. It's being covered live on ABC1 (replay on ABC2) from 5:30am, AEST.
  4. It's useless. This blacksheep character thrives on misinformed, sweeping generalisations to make lopsided point after lopsided point. I've switched off.
  5. I'm not sure what you mean? I'm referring to Toronto 1996 - if that bid were successful, while I think a Toronto Centennial Games would have been much better than Atlanta, it still would have had stigma having been Canada's third Olympics in 20 years. That seems to be a forgotten negative when that bid is discussed.
  6. What benefits does the Madrid bid offer the Olympic movement that the others don't? Austerity measures?
  7. Based on the way the 2006 Commonwealth Games were flawlessly (and effortlessly) executed by Melbourne on a scale many called "Olympic", I think it is a fair indication that 1996 would have been in good hands in Melbourne. I'm not saying the Commonwealth Games are anywhere near the Olympics, but its a close assessment. Melbourne is planned in such a way that makes major events easy, major stadia in a city centre, with impressive inner city transit. Sure, Melbourne 1996 would not have been as sexy as Sydney 2000, but I'm confident it would have done 1996 better than Atlanta, and I dare say mores
  8. Actually you are wrong. It had not been said for "99 years", but only since Los Angeles 1984. It was a Samaranch thing, and even then I don't actually think he ever said in relation to a Winter Olympics. Los Angeles 1984, Seoul 1988, Barcelona 1992 and Sydney 2000 were the only Olympics to have been given "the best ever" title. It's said that Rogge didn't take it up as many in the IOC said it was a direct put down to the efforts of the previous host city. In saying that, I don't think you could have called Atlanta 1996 "the best ever" with a straight look on your face following the relative
  9. I'm one of those people that dislikes the idea that Atlanta ever hosted the Olympics. I just simply wish it didn't happen. It put the whole symmetry of the Olympics out of kilter. On top of that- it being so close to 1984, the transport woes, the relative insignificance of the host city, the tactless commercialisation, the first terrorist incident since Munich, etc... left the world with a bad taste in their mouth. As Blacksheep pointed out, we needed a compelling reason to justify the loss of the Centennial Olympics to Athens; and in addition to this the IOC overlooking other cities that were
  10. Canada is enormous. Vancouver would seriously be pushing it. And if it's true that Perth was impractical from Sydney's perspective, BC would not be doable.
  11. For 1916 and 1920. How's that working out for Cleveland? You cannot honestly be serious in thinking Cleveland could host the Olympics? It's not even a remotely well known US city, even within the US.
  12. While I can't find an article relating to this, I vividly remember in the late 1990's the then WA Premier Richard Court making a fuss over the fact that Perth had been "snubbed" in favour of East Coast cities by SOCOG as venues for the 2000 Olympic Football. Apparent SOCOG did this because the IOC felt it undesirable due to the unfairness of some teams in certain groups having to do the 4-hour flight to Perth from the East Coast to compete, and likely back again. I imagine it was a similar reason in Atlanta 1996 when all Football tournaments took place in America's South Eastern states. So
  13. How does that make me wrong? I said Canberra is not as well known as Ottawa. I don't think Australians would ever confuse Toronto as being capital, we hear just as much about Vancouver as we do East Coast Canada.
  14. 70% would say Toronto? Really? They must not be very clued onto geography because Canada is not a nation of a singular hub city like Mexico is with Mexico City or France is with Paris... or even (as you mention ) Turkey is with Istanbul, despite it not being capital. Also Ottawa is quite a well known global capital, unlike somewhere like Canberra or Brasilia. If you ask the average Australian what the capital of Canada is most would say Ottawa, and I'm sure everyone else would say "don't know". The most well known city in Canada though, for Australians, would have to be Vancouver, as its on
  15. This is where Philadelphia rises to mind. It's struggling with quite a lot of urban planning social issues, and I think if there was anywhere in the US that could pull that "East London revitalisation" card, its Philadelphia (you could also say Detroit, but thats the only card they'd have to play). To go with this "revitalisation"- it has that amazing waterfront just crying out to be redeveloped. It ticks the East Coast card, its halfway been NYC and DC (the compromise? this could also allow all Football venues to be in the DC/Balt/Philly/NJ/NY region), and in its own right is an historically
  16. Chicago is still an enormous city by any measure - third largest city of the United States is nothing to look down upon. Any city compared to NYC is bound to look half hearted to some degree, but I think Chicago is in a position to be a city to host on behalf of an entire nation - an idea, I feel, Atlanta failed to convey. I'm split, if the Olympics goes back to the US I think I could not choose between Chicago or NYC. Chicago is technically superior. NYC is... NYC. King-pin. Close second to these two, for me are Philadelphia, San Francisco and Washington DC.
  17. Operative word here is 'need', which I'm finding hard to digest from Camp Canada! I maintain that 2024 is too soon for Canada.
  18. I firmly disagree here. From an Australian perspective, Chicago is massive. You mention the name "Chicago" to the average Australian, and while it may not have an iconic landmark to the extent of SF or NYC (Sears Tower is monumental, but like the CN Tower, I wouldn't consider it a major global landmark), it would bring up thoughts of a massive metropolis, almost the throbbing heart of America. People know Chicago, and they know what it represents. It's a gigantic city unfairly in the shadow of NYC, and perhaps that is why it would benefit most from the Olympics. It's not an Atlanta, it's a r
  19. Just a question about Los Angeles (I understand you are from there)... Do you think LA would fail the meet the general IOC standards in terms of being compact, the environment and transportation? I can't see an LA bid that wouldn't be dramatically spread out over, and dependent on freeways and buses, etc... I've visited Los Angeles only once (in 2009) and I loved it, but I think it is certainly a challenging city that almost felt like a victim of its own image. 1932 and 1984 occurred under incomparable circumstances, and I feel like it's been a bit more like a London "go to" city. it's this
  20. Maybe a candle thrown into a 44-gallon drum is something you could suggest to Madrid 2020 as a way to further cut costs... As for some of that footage - I was quite suprised at how empty the Atlanta Paralympics were - even the Ceremonies. It's the first footage of any Ceremony, Winter or Summer, Paralympic or Olympic, that I've seen a half empty stadium for a ceremony.
  21. There is something about Sochi 2014's "look" that reminds me quite a lot of Atlanta 1996's Southern patchwork quilt theme of leaves.
  22. Famous last words. Sochi 2014 will be THE Olympic Ceremony of the 2010's, in a similar way that Beijing was it for the 2000's. I'd be willing to bet Rio might even come close to the pomp and pageantry the Russians are planning.
  23. What is the likelyhood of the YOGS being scrapped? While they are popular right now, I just can't help but feel they might go the way of an event like the Goodwill Games - they are already a redundant concept. When cities start to end up in debt because of them Rogge's house of cards might just collapse!
  24. I've never been a great fan of Coates. I'd rather see El Moutawakel. I think it would do the image of the Olympics wonders if a woman was put in the top job. In addition to that, gender politics aside, she seems extremely capable and is slightly younger than the other candidates. I couldn't handle another grey-faced Samaranch-Rogge. At least Coates knows how to smile.
  25. Decided (as I had to be in that part of Sydney this afternoon) that I'd do my tri-weekly swimming at Olympic Park. Quite a bizarre feeling to be casually working out there knowing that that same venue is where all the action was only three Olympics ago. How time flies. Anyway, the 2000 Olympic cauldron was burning bright, was great to see. It will burn during the length of the London Olympics, as it has for every other Olympics since 2000. It also is lit the on the anniversary of the opening of the Sydney Olympics every year.
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