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  1. Yeah, those are the individual knobs/pistons/controls...whatever you want to call them...for each stem. I believe each one had to have its own control, and that's setting it up for the Paralmypic use when there will be less than the 204 stems used. Actually, they could've cheated and just used (I think) 160 or 170 for the Paralympics...and no one except the manufacturer would've known the difference. Because what are they going to do with the base of that thing afterwards? Will it go to a UK-Olympics museum?? Kinda ugly thing to display.

    I'm not sure where it will go... maybe nowhere and simply destroyed?

  2. Like London had a hard act to follow after Beijing.

    The true is that every Olympic is different. China laid its own mark when they hosted, London laid its own mark now and Rio will do the same in 2016. Rio will have its ups and downs but in the end, I'm sure it's gonna be fun and enjoyable party.

    I don't think the brazilian organizers have to worry about London too much, they have to make their own Olympics now and hopefully people in the world will enjoy it, if not, I'm sure brazilians will love the experience either way. This is gonna be a south american Olympics, like it or not.

    Oh yes it will be and I can't wait!

  3. In the London 2012 cauldron thread, HJPro betted that Rio will build a cauldron tower. I don't believe in that, I rather expect a tower in Sochi - so that Rio might not want to have another tower just two years later. Additionally, both the Maracana and the Joao Havelange stadia are located in densely populated areas with no big empty areas near the stadia. So there's hardly any space for a cauldron tower.

    God I forgot about Sochi! Haha, I think they're doing a tower from the designs of their stadium, but I still think rip will go for a tower

  4. HJ, I know what it is like to have an olympic games change your life, it certainly happened for me, the spectator experience as a teenager in Sydney and as a volunteer changed my career objectives, my ambitions and crazily my understanding and faith in humanity.

    I have only been to two olympics, some my experience is limited, but I was lucky to have the host city experience in both (living in vancouver/edmonton in the lead up to vancouver) and both experiences were amazing each of reasons different and similar and are inseparable for me.. These were amazing olympics, every olympics is amazing, has that spark, that is why we are all affected by it, sometimes in unique details we rant on, but mostly for a passion we all share..

    The london olympics from afar, have been phenomenal and virtually organisationally flawless, exceptional atmosphere with beautiful and sustainable venues... There will never be an olympics like it, because London 2012 is a reflection of not only the UK in this unique moment in time but also to some small degree, a reflection of the planet as whole at this moment too.

    The olympics are not the be all and end all, but as a global event at the bottom most rung of the ladder of world history they have become an important footnote that takes a quick snapshot of a nation and a planets' mood. This is why comparison on an overall level of a games for me is impossible, especially if one excludes their personal biases, they each make a statement they each stand for a different time. London's games will inspire a generation, just like sydney defined a city and country at the dawn of a new millennium or barcelona brought a nation and city on the world stage or vancouver that saw a country and people clear some cliches and push to be understood better in the world. Maybe other think this is all wank, but for me this is the reason olympic games rises above all the negative elements of their staging: abuse of public funds, doping and bribery.

    I promise to keep my posts much shorter this week, but the short story is, London was great, but we always have try to keep our biases in check and (for me too) our criticisms relative, measured and not too nit picky. We don't always succeed, I definitely don't, especially in my head. I am not a seb coe, or a danny boyle, nor claim to be, these gifted people give us new olympics that each challenge what has gone before and challenge our thoughts of what an olympics can be....

    Do I nit pick analyse and speak my mind, yes, but like everyone else here, I do it to better understand how I feel about these things, not to rubbish anyone or anything.

    If I am ever lucky enough to ever be involved operationally in a OCOG or creatively in a ceremony, my choices will be a direct result of this process, if not, then they will stand as a pretentious example of my insane obsession with the olympics, to anyone who will listen...

    My point after all this is, if I can start a topic accepting that the beautiful symbolism of heatherwick's cauldron could start a new trend in cauldron style, even if I don't know if I really like it, then I think everyone else can try to avoid rubbishing everything that has gone before in terms of logos and cauldrons as copying and uninspired.

    Well said, thank you. :)

  5. HJ Pro is annoying me slightly actually. A few of his posts today seem to do down Rio in an effort to boost London; something that is not only unnecessary given how huge a success our Games has been, but also not particularly nice to read. Tone it down a bit fella (I'm talking about posts like this one really - how can you know four years out Rio won't match London?). Anyway, don't want to get iinto an argument, but a few of your posts have come across that way. ^_^

    Thanks for letting me know, I didn't realise I was coming off that way. Caught up in the moment of the final stages of these amazing games! :)

  6. I have to say, somewhat to my own surprise, that I agree with Blacksheep's statement about the Games not being comparable. Each edition has its own personality, strengths and weaknesses. Unless Games are clearly deficient in technical operations, it's pretty pointless trying to rank them.

    Technically London has been great and the British enthusiasm is fantastic. Some of the more subjective "flavors" of these Games have not been as much to my taste, but that's life.

    The one thing I see as a major flaw in London's organization is the cauldron. It should be publicly visible and should never be intentionally extinguished. Coe's justifications just made matters worse.

    I also think more thought should be given to how the OC will play internationally.

    Relatively speaking, however, many other things went very, very well.

    I do look forward to Rio and a sunny, warm, carefree celebration. It will be a great cultural contrast. I just hope they deliver technically. For now, I'm optimistic.

    Although Rio needs to learn from previous hosts, I hope they just do their OWN thing. In some areas their choices may parallel other hosts, but that doesn't make them copy cats. After all, they will be hosting the XXXIst Olympiad. True originality in every facet of organization is probably not a reasonable goal.

    And I hope they do their own thing as well :)

  7. If you see it that way then I apologise, however this is my opinion and I just can't see a South American country matching the best games I have experienced. I always thought Sydney's would be unbeatable, but London has done so and only a capital of that stature would be able to do so.

    Obviously it is impossible to predict whether Rio is going to do better or not, however you have an idea whether they are capable of doing it and in my opinion they're not. The experience I had at the London Olympics was better than my experience in Sydney's and we all know how difficult Sydney is to top.

  8. HJ Pro is annoying me slightly actually. A few of his posts today seem to do down Rio in an effort to boost London; something that is not only unnecessary given how huge a success our Games has been, but also not particularly nice to read. Tone it down a bit fella (I'm talking about posts like this one really - how can you know four years out Rio won't match London?). Anyway, don't want to get iinto an argument, but a few of your posts have come across that way. ^_^

    As for the logo, it seems the IOC requested Rio go back to the old format. There's an interview with Rio's logo designer who said as much. I don't see the need for the IOC to be quite so prescriptive, but it's their show so they get to say what flies.

    If you see it that way then I apologise, however this is my opinion and I just can't see a South American country matching the best games I have experienced. I always thought Sydney's would be unbeatable, but London has done so and only a capital of that stature would be able to do so.

  9. If Rio goes with a tower, that isn't going to render them a "copy cat." It just means they're making the visibility of the flame a priority. As for their logo, it's not my favorite (I loved the bid logo), but it is the first logo that works in two or three dimensions. That does make it innovative.

    I hate both their logos (bid and current). They have done what Barcelona, Sydney, Athens, Beijing and countless others did for a logo:

    Picture

    Title

    Olympic rings

    They should have taken inspiration from London's dynamic logo, which without a doubt is not only the most individual and innovative of them all but also one of the best due to its versatility. Rio unfortunately haven't done this, but have gone backwards...

  10. Dear all,

    We all make mistakes. I could just as easily have been mistaken in my positions.

    The reason I challenged Australian Fan was because of the way he rudely dismissed opposing opinions with an air of superior haughtiness. That happened weeks ago and perhaps it escaped some people's notice.

    He then wrote a post saying his predictions were wrong, but he's always been open-minded and persuadable. He expected to move on without any further discussion on the subject.

    Australian Fan certainly doesn't need to apologize for being mistaken. He SHOULD apologize for doing it so condescendingly. A true apology would have acknowledged that he was not at all open-minded or persuadable. To the contrary, he was insulting. Saying he hopes he didnt offend anyone with the use of a large font seems a small offering.

    Now he presents himself as an innocent, nice guy saying, "oops." Some of you see me as the meany who is vindictively pointing out an honest mistake. As I've said before, it's not the mistake -- it's the attitude.

    Speaking truth is not something that requires an apology -- however unpopular it may be.

    Apology accepted ;) but yeah WE KNOW

  11. PS the predicted cauldron on this thread, mirroring the pattern on the tickets but 70 odd metres high, would have been awesome...

    Exactly!!!

    Very well said, Juso. And I originally didn't want to comment on that Athensfan/AustralianFan (or mainly Athensfan) flamewar because I didn't want to rekindle it. But I have to say, if we had an award for the unfairest posting over the course of these Games, I'd wholeheartedly choose that narrow-minded and overly aggressive attack Athensfan has launched against Australianfan.

    Athensfan, for me it's becoming a real mystery how you ever got your "Excellent" +333 rating. The way you slashed AustralianFan although he had already apologised for his wrong pre-Games assumptions and how still you dug up those old posts just to prove a point that he had actually never challenged really knocked me for a loop. What's your problem, man?

    Exactly!!!

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