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  1. In 1984, LA used stadiums in Boston and Maryland and for the football In 1996, Atlanta used stadiums in Miami and Washington In 2000, Sydney used stadiums Brisbane, Adelaide and Melbourne In 2008, Beijing used stadiums in Shanghai and if you look at the LA, NY and Chicago bids for 2012 and 2016, the football was spread around There is no reason not to use stadiums in Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg and Montreal to host the football group games before moving the semi finals and finals close to Toronto.
  2. Jacques Rogge said in 2010 that a Southern Hemisphere (Winter Olympics) bid from Argentina or Chile were viable http://www.latercera.com/contenido/732_279917_9.shtml He has also said that New Zealand could host an Olympics http://www.latercera.com/contenido/732_279917_9.shtml Do you have more recent information because these both claim direct quotes from Rogge which disprove your comment especially as Santiago is closer to the equator than Christchurch
  3. You could argue that LA have a solution. What has been discussed in previous threads is whether there is a University or College within a city which might quite like to take over a stadium rather than share as the lesser partner with a NFL team. And lets not forget whoever becomes the US candidate will come up against some of the world's great or iconic cities and their solutions will have to stand scrutiny with them.
  4. There's no hard and fast decision yet about the capacity reduction - that was when the original bidding for post games use occured. As that got thrown out, the new deal is for anyone who might move in to be a tenant only. Barcelona, Munich, Seville etc all have a large athletics type stadium without a football club which sees regular usage. If you take the Diamond League Grand Prix held at Crystal Palace, that could easily triple or quadruple the attendance when held at the Olympic Stadium .... some club rugby games could easily be held there ... and the arena has shown it can be easily adapted for other types of events which could include cricket especially 20/20. Now that it is built all you require to cover are maintenance costs and due to the fact it is very much a 'flat pack' venue without a lot of bells and whistles such as executive boxes, this cost would be comparatively low. Considering how popular the athletics have been I imagine they'd want to retain the 80,000 seat capacity until after the 2017 IAAF World Championships. No. If there ever was an American Football team, it would be based at Wembley, because the Olympic Stadium lacks any of the frills required. Anyway, American Football is such a minor sport there will never be a London franchise. The odd game is occasionally popular especially with visiting Americans and US Service People here, but I think must people here regard it as fat blokes moving very short distances with lots of protective padding on. I also believe that the closed shop nature of NFL ownership would run contrary to European competition law
  5. Maybe so but the reason why football at every games is widely spread is so that the games had reach people who can't make it too other events. I don't think concentrating the football would enhance the bid, and could in fact detract from it.
  6. He'd been injured and whilst he tried to recover and entered the qualifying round, he missed so much training and was still lacking in fitness, that he failed to make the final
  7. I think the stadium structure in England needs to be understood. If the City of London retained the Olympic Stadium in public ownership as a multi-purpose stadium it will be the first stadium the City actually owned Wembley is owned by the Football Association, Twickenham is owned by the Rugby Football Union, all football stadiums in London are actually owned by the clubs who have first dibs regarding usage. Also the location of the Olympic Stadium is in its favour as apart from Upton Park there are no major stadiums in that part of London. Barcelona and Munich's Olympic Stadium survive without a tenant club as does Seville's La Cartuja, and as really the only athletics stadium in the UK with a capacity of over 20,000 seats (once Crystal Palace is sold to the football club for redevelopment) It would not surprise me if the Olympic Stadium was not downsized at all. It should be noted also that Twickenham Stadium has very restricted usage in the evening as a result of the local council, so some popular club rugby games for teams like Wasps and Saracens could also be held at the Olympic Stadium. Concerts could also be easily held there due to the excellent public access which is much easier than both Wembley and Twickenham
  8. You need about 5 football venues most of which are 30,000 seats+ .... I don't know if Toronto has this capacity?
  9. West Ham United might move into the Olympic Stadium but I hope it could be remain the National Stadium without a tenant. Clearly it will be able to host events like the Diamond League meetings and other athletic events. Also the footprint of stadium is big enough to hold a Twenty20 pitch so would be good for major international games as well as a neutral venue for domestic competitions. It's already going to host the 2017 IAAF World Championships. I don't think Chicago has these options as its not the capital city.
  10. Essentially as long as they meet the IOC minimum of 60,000 seats who cares? In fact the bigger the stadium, the greater the potential the post games questions concerning usage.
  11. I'd doubt they'd drop the Frank Clair. Interestingly the football is the one event that is spread around a country so using BC Place, Commonwealth Stadium, Canads Inn (or whatever the new is called) the Frank Clair and Montreal's Olympic stadium makes sense. What the Rogers offers with its roof closed seems too valuable to me.
  12. I am not convinced it is so 'out of whack' in terms of when it would be. The FIS season often starts in mid October, whilst you get decent snowfalls from mid to late September. Any normal games held in February disrupts the existing seasons of most winter sports but a mid-late September games, falls right in the pre-season training regime for most of the outdoor sports so works pretty likely. And if London 2012 proves anything, it is that in the build up to hosting a games, the enthusiasm created can lead the host nation to 'bat above average' = the Kiwis would certainly turn out in droves to support the games.
  13. Just back from the Olympic Park having seen the Athletics and all I can say is WOW, WOW, WOW. The stadium is stunning and is so cleverly designed that although I was in the lower tier, the view across the stadium was excellent. I had taken binoculars because I was concerned about the impact the track would have for viewing distances - never used them once. And going up to the top tier, the view of the entire field and the detail you could see was excellent. The point I am making is that if a US city bidding could find a post games tenant, they could easily use the 80,000 seat stadium with no need to remove the track allowing for future use in a Pan-American Games, a World Championships etc as well as an American Football team as principal user. A bid which can have the main stadium, Aquatics centre, Water Polo arena, Velodrome, BMX Track, Basketball Arena and Hockey Field within 20 minutes with a huge Olympic Village would really be a eye-opener for the IOC and really accelerate any prospects for a successful bid. But there is a US city that could do this?
  14. When they say covered do they mean as in 'Dunedin' or a sliding roof facility, or just a regular stadium with a roof over each stand only?
  15. Finally got some tickets for the athletics - seven hours during the day on Thursday, though it took me 5 days online to finally grab them
  16. a British bid (England, Scotland, Wales) could be interesting and maybe better than a Celtic bid. Whilst England could host alone, the same could be said of Spain's World Cup bid, yet they still chose to go with a dual bid with Portugal. A 24 team competition with 3 host nations would still add 7 extra teams able to qualify - 14/16 for 2012 becomes 21/24 for 2020. As the current Olympics have shown, the British give support to all competitors. And the venues: Wales - Cardiff, the Millenium Stadium - 73,500 seats Scotland - Edinburgh, Murrayfield - 67,500 seats - Glasgow, Hampden Park - 52,000 seats England - London, Wembley - 90,000 seats - London, one of the Emirates, the Olympic Stadium, new Tottenham Stadium - all around 60,000 seats - Birmingham, Villa Park - 50,000 seats - North East, Newcastle (52,000 seats) or Sunderland (49,000 seats) - Leeds, Elland Road - 40,000 seats - Manchester, Old Trafford - 75,000 seats - Liverpool, Anfield (45,000 seats) or Stanley Park (60,000 seats) - East Midlands - one of Nottingham, Derby, Leicester (either expandable or new build to 45,000 seats) - Southampton - expanded to 45,000 seats due to the wealth of the Premiership little public money would be required for stadium upgrades and there is a proven track record of host multi site international events - Cricket World Cup, Rugby World Cup, Euro1996, London2012 etc
  17. Err, as the entire post referenced winter sports exactly what did you think I was referring to? Clearly it would not have been Sydney, because Melbourne 56 was the first southern summer games A southern Winter Games could be held in September just before the FIS winter season kicks off in October. As for paying for it, lets not forget that New Zealand already face a capital cost of rebuilding Christchurch including most of the sport venues such as Jade Stadium and QEII stadium - as the government are already going to be paying for this, it would not be overly challenging to rebuilt venues so that they are suitable towards hosting events in a Winter Games. With regard to outdoor facilities like the sliding track and ski jumps, these would be a source of ongoing revenue as the site for training camps post games.
  18. I wasn't aware Syndney had held the Winter Olympics. Maybe you should read properly before commenting?
  19. The option of a Christchurch games would be very interesting. 1. A lot of northern hemisphere teams use NZ for their 'summer training' so it would not be a totally alien environment for them - and to hold the Winter Olympics out of season on a single occasion would not be completely unwarranted if the notion is to grow the sports represented. Similarily this could be extended to building Ski Jumping hills, for ski jumpers to train 'out of season' whilst the advent of temporary sliding tracks means such a solution could be offered in a NZ Winter Olympics bid. 2. Much is made of the biggest vertical in the South Island being Mt Hutt at 693m, below the minimum FIS 800m requirement. What isn't mentioned are the following two points. In Calgary 1988, the normal vertical on the mens downhill course was below 800m, and what the skiers did was travel further up the mountain to a purpose built ski hut. The actual 'prominence' of Mt Hutt is 1,292m (2,185m above SL) so unlike Quebec where Le Massif is 806m and the vertical already 770m, Mt Hutt has quite a lot of potential ground to extend the vertical upwards. Mt Hutt is about 90km from Christchurch, and there is a secondary club field at Porter Heights with an existing vertical of 620m which could be extended. 3. After the trajedy of the earthquakes, Christchurch will be rebuilt, and it would be an ideal opportunity to include new arenas and stadiums. A new stadium for the Crusaders and Canterbury Cricket will likely be built and at 35,000 seats+, would be big enough for the opening and closing ceremonies. Canterbury Arena could be rebuilt or refurbished to provide one of the larger indoor arenas and is mainly used by the popular netball team. Both a local basketball team and two ice hockey teams play in seperate arenas which could extended to form the two smaller arenas. A speed skating track could be converted into a conference venue as in Turin, or a local community sports facility as in Vancouver. This means a single temporary 10,000 seat arena need be built to be moved elsewhere afterwards and I imagine there are several cities that would fancy a 5,000 seat arena in their midst post games With an international airport, and seen as the gateway to the South Island and the mass influx of tourists on a yearly basis, Christchurch could be an extremely interesting candidate for 2026 with at least three catches to woo the IOC with - 1) rebuilding a city, 2) taking winter sports to a new part of the world 3) the first 'iconic' southern hemisphere games.
  20. A geographical spread of cities is not done in FIFA/UEFA's favour but is designed for the advantage of fans to get as much opportunity to see games as possible, rather than concentrate in a few cities which would lead to a huge increase in accommodation prices. Otherwise money saved on accommodation, is spent on travel. Once there was a candidate for a games, the following 18month period does allow for multiple extra bids to be entered even if they missed the initial deadline. The minimum capacity required is about 33,000 seats as 10% are not used. That is why the Ukrainians needed to add Kharkov to their cities even though it had not initially been considered. Spain (1964), Italy (1980) and Germany (West Germany 1988) could all hold the Euros at short notice and at little cost as they have the stadia in place. Germany could essentially use the stadia used in 2006 but could also choose to use venues in Bremen, Dusseldorf and Monchengladbach instead. Spain could use most of the venues suggested in their 2018 bid - Barcelona Nou Camp, Madrid Bernabeu, Valencia Nou Mestalla, Madrid Olympic, Seville La Cartuja, Barcelona Olympic, Bilbao San Mames, Barcelona El Prat, Elche, Murcia, La Coruna, Vigo, Zaragoza - most of which are built or being built. Italy could use a number of the venues they proposed for 2016 and could even drop any new build stadium suggestions for existing sites. A number of venues used in 1990 could be there and simply need a lick of paint - Turin, Genoa, Milan, Verona, Florence, Rome, Bari, Naples, Udine, Bolgona and Palermo. For Spain and Italy the cost of hosting a football championships are small from a footballing perspective but could be an economic catalyst, and it would not surprise me if some candidate throw their hat into the ring at the last moment ... which they are able to do. Spain has additionally never held a proper Euro Championship as 1964 only involved 4 teams
  21. The Italian bids were not incredibly risky ... they were regarded as having more risk than the other bids but a lot of this concern was around 'hospitality issues' and 'fan areas', not the actual stadia themselves. The actual published requirements are these A minimum 9 stadiums with 3 reserve locations in case of delays or an inability to meet requirements Two stadia of 50,000 seats + Three stadia of 40,000 seats + Four stadia of 30,000 seats + Because UEFA restricts the sale of tickets for certain seats, in reality the capacities listed need to be approximately 10% bigger because 10% of the seats on a listed seating capacity are not made available for sale.
  22. Even though Rome pulled out of the 2020 Summer Olympics, Italy could actually host Euro2020 at little cost and difficulty using existing stadiums Rome - Stadio Olimpico - 72,700 seats Milan - San Siro - 80,074 seats Naples - Stadio Sao Paolo - 60,240 seats Bari - Stadio San Nicola - 58,248 seats Florence - Stadio Artemio Franchi - 47,282 seats Palermo - Stadio Renzo Barbera - 37,619 seats Verona - Stadio Marc'Antonio Bentegodi - 39,211 seats Turin - Juventus Arena - 41,000 seats Gerona - Stadio Luigi Ferraris - 36,536 seats Udine (41,652 seats after renovations) and Bologna (38,279 seats) could also be used. Whilst there is currently a corruption scandal going on, this relates to events back in 2006 I believe as more and more is being discovered but nothing new. Italy last held the Euros back in 1980, so it will be 40years.
  23. I don't think you'll find as compact 90,000 seat stadium in the world as Wembley .... you physically cannot get the fans closer. As for the Stade de France, the track disappears as the lower stands move forward .... the rest of the tiers are actually designed as if there was no track to begin with.
  24. Miami 2024 or 2028 The city The city proper has a population of 409,000, Miami-Date Country 2.5m, and the overall metro area has a population of 5.5m. In 2010 Miami was classified an 'Alpha' city and according to UBS in 2009, it is the richest city in the USA and worlds 5th richest in 'purchasing power. Forbes called it America's cleanest city. Downtown Miami has the largest concentration of International Banks in the USA and it is the World's Cruise Line Capital. A number of Fortune 500 companies are Headquartered in Miami. The centre of Cuban American culture providing a unique flavour to a Miami games. Sporting facilities SunLife stadium - American Football/Soccer - 74,918 seats FIU stadium - Hockey - 25,000 seats Lockhart Stadium - 20,450 seats Tennis Center at Crandon Park - 13,300 seats (Covered/Indoor Arenas) Marlins Park - 37,442 seats American Airlines Arena - 19,600 seats BankAtlantic Center - 19,250 seats BankUnited Center - 8,000 seats US Century Bank Arena - 5,000 seats Miami Beach Convention Center - 4x 12,000people halls Olympic Stadium? The Miami Hurricanes currently play at the SunLife, over 20miles from campus. If the Hurricanes wanted to relocate a stadium on campus, there would appear to be space to the west of the campus between BankUnited Center and San Amaro Drive. Here there are several small sports facilities such as including Cobb Stadium, Mark Light Field, Hecht Athetic Center and Neil Schiff Tennis Center which could be replaced by an Olympic Stadium coverted post games to be used by the Hurricanes and incorporating some of the facilities removed. Intramural Field could be temporarily convered into an athletes warm up area Climate The Hurricane season between June and November is a factor though the most likely time for Miami to be hit is between mid-August and mid-September, the Cape Verde season. Temperatues in July range between 25.1 and 32.6 though the high humility is frequently offset by ocean breezes and thunderstorms. Transportation Major airport at Miami International, 2nd largest international gateway in the US after JFK with major links to Latin America and Europe. There is also a 2nd major airport to the North at Fort Launderdale Public transport is currently small. The Miami MetroRail is currently the only such system in Florida, with 23 stations North to South and a new 2nd line out to the airport. This line already links the BankUnited Center which would be next door to the suggested Olympic Stadium. There were/are plans to extend the line both North/South and also West/East with up to 7 additional lines, along which would be built affordable housing to encourage usage as initially proposed. Accommodation As well as being jammed pack with hotels, Miami is the cruise capital of the world. Twenty of the larger cruise liners berthed in the Port of Miami could provide between 45,000 to 60,000 additional rooms. Legacy A new stadium for the Hurricanes A massive expansion of the MetroRail which was provisionally planned subject to usage and which the Olympics would be catalyst for. An Olympic village built along the lines, convertable into affordable housing post games and an encouragement for similar developments.
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