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  1. Los Angeles would be great if they can 1) Redevelop the coliseum This image shows no running track but if they implemented a bottom tier where the stands could cover the track during USC games, then that would be ideal 2) Develop the area in the immediate vicinity of the games, to improve it as I understand its pretty run down, including maybe an Olympic Village which could subsequently be used for affordable housing, also creating the LA version of London's Olympic Park but with the main stadium already in place. Whether California could afford to do this is another question.
  2. FALSE Someone makes a comment, I respond back If someone makes a further comment, I respond further If someone responds to that response, I respond again Do you see the pattern here?
  3. Will you stop sticking your head in the sand, and accept that many independent assessors as well as the IOC have said the same thing time and time again? You make a statement based on comment .... you then get told that person is not good enough ... then get told to find another comment Here you go just for your deluded little world "ATLANTA 1996 was the GREATEST BESTEST EVER GAMES OF ALL TIME - NOTHING AT ALL WENT WRONG, IT WAS IN FACT BETTER THAN PERFECT" It is in fact a massive set up by the jealous and anti-American IOC, encouraged by the marxist and muslim President Obama, who wasn't even born in the USA, so should be president? Does this set better in your world Krow? p.s # Shouldn't be President Pot calling the kettle black Misinformed comments - that would be direct quotes from IOC Members including VP Richard Pound Sweeping Generalisations - with specific quotes and links to those individuals making those comments. Find me quotes apart from ACOG members who are well informed that have said the opposite? The GreenandBlue character seems to prefer living in a world where they can remain ignorant and uninformed
  4. Before or after the successful Rugby World Cup 2011? A bid centred on Christchurch using Mt Hutt and Porter Heights and some of the new stadia/arenas being constructed would not be exceptionally taxing. The idea of using Wanaka/Queenstown is - they are simply not big enough especially as the only possible location with the required vertical is Treble Cone in vertical and it would take a massive undertaking to get that access road ready for any event. Mt Hutt is far easier to develop as is Porter Heights.
  5. With all due respect Athens, when events are at risk of being delayed or cancelled from their start time because the athletes have only just shown up, what term would you describe it as?
  6. Carolina The problem is not so much whether spectators found it great or whether there was a good legacy. It was that the IOC felt that throughout the 17days they were lurching from potential disaster to potential disaster - from the transportation system meaning athletes barely arrived on time for their events, to the IT system which apparently crashed every day to bus drivers still getting lost well into the second week The issue was not so much that it was privately funded, but that the ACOG underestimated how much money they would raise and at the 11th hour had the begging bowl out trying to scrimp together as much as they could. That is why the IOC insist that there is a government pledge to make up any budget shortfall As for over-commercialisation, it was because allegedly there was a free for all selling items associated with the Olympics by organisations who had nothing to do with the Olympics. The IOC protect its brand jealously, and for an example in London they cracked down hard on any non-sanctioned merchandise. I think that the IOC are happy for a games to be privately funded, but want a guarantee that if the budget massively increases that either state or federal government will step in to cover a shortfall, rather than risk selling the Olympic brand to the highest bidder just to make ends meet.
  7. And its American Football, so its not like its real sport
  8. What extreme conclusion? I've not said that I personally thought it was a bad games as a spectator. I remember watching Steve Redgrave, and Ben Ainslie and Donovan Bailey as well as the superb Michael Johnson and is 19.32 run in the 200m. What I've said is that Atlanta disappointed the IOC not delivering to maybe a too high an expectation and there were a number of problems which they IOC insisted were addressed in future bids. Funding and rigid commercialisation controls were implemented post Atlanta to the benefit of the Olympic movement Stick in your head in the sand and pretending this did not occur is not going to help. Most games to the spectator are brilliant, it is the impression that the IOC form which becomes important, And I think a future New York, Chicago, LA bid etc, will pay very close attention to make sure the same problems don't occur.
  9. Sooner or later the IOC will actually sanction a Winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere
  10. One slight problem - If the IOC weren't impressed, they are the one group you must impress if you want the Summer Olympics awarded again
  11. That the fact that the spectators enjoyed it is not disputed .... or that the ceremonies or events looked good. What the International Olympic Committee had to do behind the scenes to represent a respectable games is what they measure - the budget shortfalls, the tacky commercialisation, the appalling transportation of athletes and officials, the chaotic IT system - and this has been recorded by American journalists in details. I once organised a conference at a venue, where despite written agreements, the venue failed to deliver in IT support, catering, sound etc ... if anything could have gone wrong it did. My colleagues and I scurried around behind the scenes, and thankfully the delegates weren't aware what was going wrong behind the scenes. After the event, we had to send a report to the CEO, who was so horrified that the venue had failed to deliver to even a minimum standard that my company received a full refund on everything -£15,000+ - as well as a personal apology from the venues managing director. But none of this was known by the delegates or those filming the conference. Based on what has been said about Atlanta, whilst superficially it looked great, things happened behind the scenes which left the IOC deeply disappointed.
  12. A rather inaccurate comment. Wembley in its 1948 form was already 25years old. By 2000, it was 75years old. At a certain point it is physically impossible to keep updating a stadium and rebuild it. The Olympic Stadium of 1948 is still at its exact same location. As for the 1908 stadium, it was only demolished after being in existence for 75years, and having all the streets around it developed to the point which hamstrung what the owners could do. Ironically it would have been a great site for the proposed QPR stadium. If the USA winning city plan to build an Olympic Stadium and operate it for 75years before demolishing it, then you've got a valid comparison
  13. I think it is a little erroneous to use London costs 1) Building in a 2,000 year old city is always going to add costs to any construction both in terms of sites, and built new transportation links to reach those sites - tunnels are more expensive than overland links as a rule 2) The London Olympic Park had to be expensively cleaned up before the first brick was laid. This might not be necessarily true of Auckland 3) Security costs went through the roof both because of size of population, location and political postion of the UK government. It is far easier to restrict entry into NZ, and therefore far easier to police the games at a substantially reduced cost.
  14. because after (west) Europe in 2006 , North America in 2010, (east) Europe in 2014 and Asia in 2018, the next in the loop would likely be in Western Europe. I cannot think of a US city that could beat Paris if Paris goes for it in 2024 ... forget the centenery ... Paris has all of the facilities as well as the desired legacy. Only if Madrid win in 2020 will things change, in my opinion
  15. Spend $30m going up against some massive big guns - can the US afford another 2012 and 2016 style defeat? or less when under continental rotation it is the turn of North America to host 2026?
  16. I don't think the USA will bid for 2024 but will focus on 2026 Rio in 2016 would lead to arguments that a games has been held in the same timezone. If Paris or a South African city enter the fray both will be incredibly difficult to beat and if the latter is Durban, neither would have any issues with the main stadium whilst any US city bar maybe LA would need to be incredibly creative. Personally an excellent 2026 games would be a great lauch pad for 2032 which incidentally would be the centenial LA games.
  17. Agreed - but Stratford is not really an outer borough in London. Somewhere on the Queens/Brooklyn border might be best?
  18. I think it should be Queens and by 2024, the NY Jets will be close to being able to exercise their release clause in New Jersey
  19. How do you not think that the IOC desire to avoid White elephants after a games, and the need to build an 80,000+ main stadium which has to be used afterwards is not a problem? Who would occupy this stadium if built in NY? Chicago? San Francisco?
  20. North America aren't bidding for 2022 The perenial problem any US bid has outside of LA, is what to do with the stadium afterwards
  21. It is not a case of a few editorials - it is a matter of public record that the IOC demanded meetings throughout the games due to ongoing and continuing issues with transportation, and the IT system ... some athletes barely made it to their event start times. After Atlanta, the IOC demanded that all future games would guarantee the government cover any funding shortfall, as the Atlanta organisers scraped around for funny at the last moment. What security blunders ... a set of keys being mislaid. Problems prior to the games which were instantly resolved. What judging controversies? The judging is done by the indivudual sports federations and has nothing to do whatsoeve with LOCOG What empty seats controversy? LOCOG can prove that every single ticket bar the football events that they were able to sell to the public was sold. The IOC have admitted that the empty seats were the responsibility of the individual national federations who did not sell nor return unsold tickets - until they were forced to during the games and then people queue outside the French, German, Czech offices to buy tickets often at marked up prices. The IOC have admitted it was their fault and are reviewing the process for Rio. Explain how this was London's fault. 2012 - London demanded meetings with the IOC to discuss the IOCs failings 1996 - The IOC demanded meetings with the Atlanta OGC to discuss Atlanta's failings Big difference
  22. Transportation "These are as bad a first few days as I've seen," said one high-ranking IOC member. The Olympic transportation system, which has separate components for athletes, journalists and spectators, has been denounced across the board for late arrivals and drivers who get lost. At a daily meeting with the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games, IOC officials insisted on immediate action. "It was the toughest meeting ACOG has had to sit through," said one IOC official who spoke on condition of anonymity. "Nobody ever believes it will be as difficult as it is. Now they believe it," said Dick Pound, a vice president of the International Olympic Committee. Technology The highly touted Olympic information system, which delivers scores and other results to news organizations, was suffering frequent failures. Glitches in the ACOG-IBM computer caused delays in getting results to news organizations throughout the weekend, and there were no results at all from some sports. While they tried to fix the problems, officials resorted to a system of distributing results manually--that is, having a messenger deliver the results by hand to news agencies, which then keyboarded the information. The IOC summoned IBM Chairman Louis Gerstner to an emergency meeting in Atlanta. A spokesman for IBM did not return a telephone call Sunday. The Associated Press, which distributes Olympic results to 1,500 newspapers across the nation, was unable to provide complete statistics because of the problems. "It is disappointing to know that what was billed as a state-of-the-art results service can't even produce bare scores in some cases," said Terry Taylor, AP sports editor. "The Olympics are the single most important event in sports," she said. "ACOG's inability to provide full results from these events is a disservice to our members and to their readers." An unmitigated disaster The Associated Press reports on the efforts of Olympics organizers and transportation officials in London, where next year's games will be held: "No one wants another Atlanta. The 1996 Games provided a cautionary tale of Olympic travel woes — with bus drivers getting lost, athletes arriving moments before their events and overloaded trains that couldn’t get residents home. It prompted the International Olympic Committee to lay out demands to make sure it didn’t happen again." “Atlanta was an unmitigated transport disaster,” rail expert Christian Wolmar said. “All the other Olympics — Beijing and Sydney — have learned their lessons.” Journalist Ronald DuPont recalling his transport experiences: "On my first night at the Olympics, the bus driver taking me and about 35 other people back to our cars got lost. Our half-hour trip took 1 1/2 hours, and we joked that we got the "scenic route." "On my second night, another bus driver prepared to get on the wrong highway until a chorus of Atlanta natives on the bus yelled in unison, directing him to the correct road." "Last night, on my way to the Olympics, our bus took the sideview mirror off a merging Jeep. (We pulled over to the side of the road and sat for a half-hour while police filled out their reports.) Then, when we got on the bus to head back, an Olympics representative got on the bus and publicly asked if there was anyone who could give our driver directions on how to get to the drop-off point. On the same night, a bus driver pulled to the side of the highway and promptly quit, saying the job was too dangerous. The lines to get on the busses are often thousands of people deep, and I've waited as long as an hour in the sun to board a bus." There is masses more
  23. I am reporting to you the general comments made by the IOC and by American experts who have studied the history of the Olympic games and of the Atlanta games. When things are so bad that the President of the IOC tells the next American hosts to avoid such mistakes then it is spectacularly bad. If you don't want to agree with them then fine. But the majority of them do, including those who will be voting for future hosts. They regard the Atlanta games as over commercialised and trashy to such an extent, that they have insisted that every subsequent summer games since 1996 have the support of government to cover any funding shortfalls rather than trying to scrape the money together at the last moment. In London there were problem with 2 buses on the first day ... unlike Atlanta where it continued to be a problem throughtout the games.
  24. Agree but if the government does not make that guarantee then forget it. Atlanta might have made a small profit, BUT it is the international perception which they failed to address.
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