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  1. I think several cities pulled out because of other commitments or a lack of government support. In 2014, there were 3 candidates in the bidding process, but another 4 submitted official bids but were not shortlisted to go to the next stage.
  2. How can you block a particular user and their obnoxious attitude?
  3. Denver and Berne have previously withdrawn from competitions and its not affected them. I think 2 years away in 2013, and lets say a minimum 10 years away in 2022 are different questions. Unlike Maribor, Ljubljana is the capital city with a population 3x the size. There are already sports venues in place in the capital which could be used, and a sporting culture that could use all of the facilities post games. There is a world class ski jumping venue at Planica with hills of HS215, HS140 and HS100, and a stadium with a 30,000 capacity. Kranjska Gora already hosts annual World Cup slalom events and has a vertical of 838m and is less than 90km from Ljubljana. The nearby town of Jesenice with its ice hockey team could be another possible indoor venue. If Ljubljana bid, you could bet the government would not withdraw funding for such a signifcantly more prestiguous event than the Universiade
  4. I'm a big fan of making things scaleable. Often a stadium is built and it is then really expensive to expand it. The Joao Havelange was built at 46,000 but easily increasable to over 60,000. Reading about athletics, have they actually settled on the site yet? It does seem ridiculous that the Skydome is possibly only going to be used for ceremonies. Why not close the roof and use all that interior space?
  5. I still don't get that once it became clear that in mid summer 2010, that Hamilton was rapidly becoming not an opton, that the Committee did not immediately pursue a waterfront option especially especially as the York location had already been rejected for a MLS and CFL stadium due to its remoteness. Whilst 2007 was an excellent stringboard for Rio successfully winning the 2016 games, 9 years later, Toronto seem to be striving for the complete opposite. Can you imagine a Joao Havelange Olympic Stadium built for 40,000 in the eastern portlands close to the village, ready to be expanded for the 2024 games? Talk about a missed opportunity. The irony is with over 3 years to go, it would be possible even now to build something similar.
  6. The concern must be that Toronto are making an absolute Horlicks of this and whether it might affect any future Olympic bid. On the negative it doesn't look too good, but I guess it could be argued that all the kinks in organising a major multi-site event were ironed out during 2015, and that a future bid would go like clockwork
  7. Cities are interested. It is inaccurate to state otherwise. However when considering the Innsbruck/Kuopio competition and what Innsbruck are going to be offering in 2012, it is hardly unreasonable to think that Lillehammer with all of the 1994 facilities still in place and recently upgraded that Lillehammer 2016 is going to be the outstanding odds on favourite - check out their bid book. It is rumoured that Lake Placid, Sofia, and Lucerne are all going to look at contesting the 2020 hosting rights. Personally I would like to see the games given to locations that would struggle to host the full games - however because all the events are included, the capital cost of building ski jumping sites and bobsleigh runs would be hard to justify if they are not already in place
  8. It could be argued that despite Turin 2006 and Albertville 1992, there hasn't been a Winter Olympics in the German speaking Alps since 1976. Part of this was due to acceptable bids but with Salzburg failing twice, then Munich, there might be sufficient impetous to give it to a Germanic area again
  9. Queenstown has even less of a vertical drop than Christchurch. Only Treble Cone could potentially do it, and unless there is a motorway and high speed rail link built across the MacKenzie it would be possible to pair the two cities together. They'd prefer to do Stockholm/Ostersund before NZ if they allowed that Auckland would need a new Athletics stadium, multiple areas plus the infrastructure Building on wasteland has actually made the London bid cheaper than it might have been. London had more venues in place than Auckland and it still hugely expensive. There is zero chance the NZ economy could afford a modern Olympic games in Auckland. Look at how much Athens cost and they had the main stadium in place!!
  10. They'll need to sort out the route to Vail first
  11. LOL - I wish I was. I just look things up. Re: Munich. I know reasonably well. The rest you can find online. For example in Munich there are a number of venues that a 2022 bid might alternatively use which meant there would be less need for temporary venues
  12. I think if they made changes to the bid in regard to venues, they would not be adding to the overall footprint and compactness of the bid. The Inzell speed skating rink is actually on the way to the proposed bobsleigh run - you pass through Inzell. It is straight down the E45 towards Austria and you normally pass through Inzell to get to the bobsleigh run at Schonau am Konigsee. As events are already being held at Garmish it seems foolish not to use the already built Garmish Olympic Hall. This was would allow a larger arena in Munich to be the permanent home of EHC Muncheon, swapping temporary for legacy and replace the small Olympia Eisalle. Alternatively the Eisalle could be used as a 2nd venue and a larger temporary rink built for all but the finals. Or the Eishalle could be used for Curling, a larger arena built on the Velodrome and Garmish used. None really adds to the overall size of the games
  13. It cost New Zealand NZ$310 million to host the Rugby World Cup. To host the Summer Olympics and assuming a similar budget to London 2012, it will cost up to NZ$20 billion ... that's 60x more. A Rugby World Cup where most of the infrastructure is in place is one thing ... a Summer Olympics requiring huge infrastructure investment is another ... a 2nd runway at Auckland Aiport would be required at the very least for example
  14. For a Munich 2022 bid, I wonder if one of the changes might be to use the Eisstadion Inzell. The speed skating rink was previously open air and was one of Europe's fastest, but now they've enclosed it It is directly on the way to the famous Schonau am Kongissee bobsleigh run (this is 150km) and Inzell is 116km down the same road. It would help to alleviate 'Green' opposition as this was one of the temporary venues that they were looking to build in Munich. If they continue to use the Olympiahalle for Figure and Short Track skating, the swimming pool for curling, and build on the old Velodrome for one of the Ice Hockey venues, then that leaves them with a single new venue site to find. Alternatively there is a venue in either Augsburg or Garmish that could be used as the second ice hockey venue.
  15. Le Massif is about 30 metres short. They looked into finishing on pontoons in the St Lawrence but that didn't work. They then looked at another side of the mountain, but the terrain is simply to gentle - Russo looked at it and said you couldn't have a suitably changing run. A pity as Quebec would be a great venue.
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