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  1. 19 hours ago, stryker said:

    Spain is a summer sports country and they have severe public support issues at a time when their economy is in the toilet and public opinion is against excessive spending for Olympic venues that usually become white elephants. In terms of building an existing winter sports culture, it's an admirable goal, but Spain has so little winter sports history. They had no medals until a two bronzes in 2018 and a silver in Beijing. Spain has never had a ski jumper or a speed skater qualify as far as I know so building an expensive ski jump and speed skating oval at a taxpayer's expense isn't smart business. They would not see enough use to justify the investment (it's simple business).

    I laughed out loud at the idea of the Chinese building a sliding track in the Pyrenees ..

    The oval in Milan has been discussed at length and I suggest you revisit some of the posts on it so you get the full story.

    Barcelona has to be included. It has the transport infrastructure plus the much needed indoor ice arenas

    but does anyone really think JAS Jr. who's clearly behind the torpedoing of Madrid's SOGs prospects really going to allow Zaragoza over his late daddy's hometown to be the center of a Spanish WOGs bid? No chance. It's Barcelona or bust.

     

    best stryker, i admire your fluent text/comment you wrote.. and im aware of the fact that youve wrote the reallity.. in my view in a more pro-negative point of view whereby im writing more in a pro-active way.. this way of active-debate will certainly level-up things..

    you say thesis, i say anti-thesis (or vice versa) and this forms syn-thesis.. this is/would be the actual outcome of a debate culture, so we create new ideas/thinkings/concepts/perceptions that will/can give fresh impulses towards everybody who are reading this worlds first-most gamesbids forum on earth.. the only platform with talented feedback for many people who are working to get the games around the world..

     

    BUT: there are points whereby i do not aggree with (with all the missing knowledge that ive have build up in the last 10-15 years, because i didnt follow closly all the issues as you mentioned) 

    - i believe in positive energy/writing and dont like in person the more pessimistic words like: the spanish economy is in the toilet.. i suppose it isnt worse then the economy of greece.. 

    - that "usually-become-white-elephant-thing" is another thing i dont agree with, it is so a repetitive/cheap sentence thats used very frequently (even if im wrong - with no harming towards your qualitative text) actually to focus on this, ski-jumping hills dont become elephants, they are used in their own potential (per country)

     

    - let me give you a contrast example for your next sentence and the follow-up:

    "Spain has so little winter sports history, .." >> türkiye has ALMOST NONE winter sports history (but the only muslim country with participation in a wider range of winter-sports-branches at 17 or 19 attendances) + türkiye has yet to win a medal at a wog & thus has NONE medals whereas spain has gained 5 in total.. türkiye had for the first time 1 ski-jumper in 2018 and 1 speed-skater in 2022.. but respectively not qualyfied for further finals.. but those 2 men were turkish heros and became wog-idols in their country and a lot of young people felt the passion when they were on tv and the next generation boy/girl began to jumping and skating.. türkiye build its ski-jump facility in 2011 for the winter EYOF and revamped it in 2017 for the winter UNİVERSİAD..

    >> do you really think that new generations dont want to jump/skate in spain ? is there a law or a reglementation that its forbidden for spain to built ski-jump facility, which is more less expensive than an oval ? is it forbidden for the spaniards to create a chance to begin with something even if they started wrong ? the COE can built these towards a a 2nd winter-universiad in the near future before a wog.. they have organised a winter universiad in granada 2015 with co-hosting of slovakia (for the same problem of) for the nordic and ski-jump.. it worked with slovakia for an universiad-scale .. they maybe want to try again the same formula.. but olympics are bigger/larger in scale then a universiad.. this formula wont work twice (for many)

    source: 2015 Winter Universiade - Wikipedia

    >> "I laughed out loud at the idea of the Chinese building a sliding track in the Pyrenees" : thanx for your honest sentence, i will take a step back about the chinese example, btw spain is not uganda nor sri lanka (the most remote example) .. BUT, i suppose you understood what i ment. the COE can go to international open tender en choose the cheapest consorsium to built the jump, gliding facilities and oval .. that would be also simple buisness as you mentioned.. if they go to erdoğan and ask for building those, than a turkish firm will do for the cheapest price as they did with the building of the olympic stafium in dakar/senegal..

    >> about the oval in milan/val di fiemme.. i promise i will make time to read those posts/discussions.. but, striker you know, at the official milano-cortina 2026 website it says that they going to build that/new oval..

    >> if barcelona has to be included as you say.. okay, but its better not to put barcelona in the center.. Barcelona doesnt need the bi-games etiquette as beijing 22.. with zaragoza they can have a 2nd official olympic-city in history.. they have to get rid of the arrogance and pride of the samaranch-legacy-thing İTS about the olympic legace that has to be the essential core of their bid, and not the ode to past away ioc people.. 

    >> you say 'barcelona or büst".. <==> .. i say "no barcelona or nothing" .. no barcelona in the meaning of the olympic ettiquette.. if they need so much the needed venues in barca, okay lets use them.. but it can be succesfull if zaragoza is in the epicenter of the 2039/2034 wog.. besides zaragoza has also the same freeway infrastructure as barcelona, but the metropoles location is on a bad angle.. the distince between barca & jaca is more than 300 km IF BARCA is in the epicenter of the games..

    >> List of ski jumping hills - Wikipedia in the world .. <==> .. the USUALLY white elephants in the world ??

    1 in bosnia, bulgaria, turkey, estonia, kazhakstan, romania, slovakia, china - 2 in france, south-korea - 3 in czechia, japan, russia, switserlan,  - 4 in sweden, - 5 in canada, finland, - 6 in poland - 7 in norway, slovenia, - 8 in italy - 9 in usa - 10 in austria - 14 in germany <==> why would spain not be in the list with 1 jumping-hill for new generations ?

     

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    next-generation-girls are training at the ejder-tepe ski-jumping-facility.. 

    if türkiye can realise this with none wog-medal.. why spain cant realize it with better wog results ?

     

     

  2. B - let's have a look to MİLANO 2026

    pocket-facilities spread over the southern flank of dolomites

    1// look to the gliding-track facility of cortina village >> (old track woven within the city-plan)

    source >> Plans presented for renovation of Milan Cortina 2026 sliding track (insidethegames.biz)

    - the cost-price for renovation is €65 million euros 

    - does this give an idea for the renovation/reconstruction cost-price for the sarajevo-track

    - why spending so much mony elsewhere when you could build it on spanish-soil

    2// look to the ski-jumping facilities of predazzo village >> (next to a stream. does it look professional?)

    - whats the cost-price to build a decent ski-jumping-facility?

    - isnt it doable for the spaniards - spanish government - aragon/zaragoza region ??

    - the italians did it TWİCE with no high proffessionalism.. why cant spain do it ONCE !!

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  3. A - let's have a look to TORİNO 2006

    pocket-facilities spread over the eastern flank of maritime-alpes

    1// look to the gliding-track facility of cesana village >> (it doesnt look professional, in de middle of simple greenery)

    2// look to the ski-jumping facilities of pragelato village >> (just at the bank of a stream. does it look professional?)

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  4. 16 minutes ago, Guilga said:

    Now this... You might have a more workable idea than whatever COE is having with that bid. It would indeed keep the focus at the place where the action is mostly at, even though Barcelona part´s might be the thing made to lure that IOC votes. Of course, even there it would be problems to face, like making the resort and make it not get into bankrupcy, but it could happen actually? For a games, that could work.

    sorry for the mistaken submit above..

    i think they could certainly build that resort OR pocket-facilities in different villages in 1 ongoingg lineer-area as the italians did with torino 2006.. spain İS a sports country in its veins.. they have to play for the first league of olympic winter sports.. for that aim they have to level up something.. buıld that sliding-track and organize a more clever wog than milano 2026..

    for the sake of the spanish speaking world, its spain who can acclompish that.. mexico or argentina/chile are the only hispano-latin countries for those indispensable mountain clusters for the needed snow.. but otherwise their time-lap that the oic wishes is in february.. they have their summertime.. 

    spain has the generation, intellect and passion to realise a decent wog, but dont have the clue about the how to create the concept and perception for the international emballage-market.. to much intern-barcelona-point-of-view-market creates a narrow view what could become awesome..

    look i found a video about demolishing urban quarters in barcelona for their beloved SOGames in 6 years from 1986 till 1992 .. if they didnt went bankrupt back then, neither they wont now.. Zaragoza must be their concept-base.. they can show the ioc something totally fresh..

     

     

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  5. 16 minutes ago, Guilga said:

    Those would be kinda hard to keep in place with all those high-speed sleds running at it! :D

     

    Now this... You might have a more workable idea than whatever COE is having with that bid. It would indeed keep the focus at the place where the action is mostly at, even though Barcelona part´s might be the thing made to lure that IOC votes. Of course, even there it would be problems to face, like making the resort and make it not get into bankrupcy, but it could happen actually? For a games, that could work.

    The thing is: Can COE and Spain afford this bid without Barcelona? Will the IOC cares if this is the case? These two questions should be answered first, and then maybe think if it´s better to just bid Barcelona to summer 2036, stealing Madrid (political-social) spotlight to celebrate the People Olympics, saving the IOC of a 1936 renembrance? Future will tell. It wasn´t the favorite bid anyway, so they might as well have no regrets to try.

     

  6. SUMMARY

    city cluster > mountain cluster = distance in km (not/lineer)

    TORİNO > BERDACCHİONE = 75 km lineer

    ZARAGOZA > JACA = 140 km linear (2x distance torino)

    MİLANO > CORTİNA = 255 km not-lineer (3x distance torino)

    BARCELONA > JACA = 270 km not-lineer (4x distance torino)

    in this case the decission is rapidly made, the spaniards have to switch from concept and perception and go radically for a zaragoza/aragon bid in 2030 or 2034.. and build 2 venues in zaragoza + 1 venue in huesca + build 1 sliding in jaca .. they can create in 10 years a spanish alpensia / pyrinea-resort ^_^

     

    what is alpensia-resort >> Alpensia Resort - Wikipedia

  7. 14 minutes ago, fatixxx said:

    the analogy of 2026 is that MİLANO is the western outpost and CORTİNA d'ampezzo the eastern outpost that overlaps şn total 3 provinces/regions, but at the complicated end the slogan is a miscue of the reslity on the ground as it says the following: DUALİTY, UNİTY .. an organization in 6 locations with 9 sub-locations .. 2026 will be the most widest winter olympşc games in history with a total overspan of (NOT LİNEER) a devistating 255 km between the outposts. How wil the italians will do the traffic-jam between those 9-10 sub/locations.. whereby the aragon province has a more lineer axes similar with sochi-and-beijing.

    - torino 2006 was for the 1/3 more compact with 75 km between the outposts than milano is with its 255 km in not-lineer outposts..

    - torino had in total 3 OV's OLYMPIC VILLAGES.. but couldnt find howmany OV's milano will have.. i suppose more than 3 will be construct

    -AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST torino's mountain cluster was an organisation around 1 lineer-freeway the A32.. and thats why torino had a more compact organization with an outer-span of 75 km..

    - milano-cortina nevertheless has an outer_span of 255 km.. (more than 3-fold of that of torino) organized on 3 to 5 not-lineer-freeway axes .. what about the rail-transportation of public to those 9-10 sub/venues. the cost only for transportation will be huge in 2026

    - and as the choclate on the top of this organizational-complexity 2026 will held the closing ceremony at the hşstorical arena in verona max 30.000 capacity.. the question is: is this necessary? what about the transport of delegations and crowds from verona back to the hotels/airports etc.. it will cause only torment imho though..

     

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  8. On 2/8/2022 at 2:06 PM, kiwi said:

    really not a fan of how the IOC are letting hosts share names. It is just confusing. The 2026 W olympics for example should just be called Milan 2026. And same with 2030, Barcelona 2030 looks and feels better then Pyranees-Barcelona-Zaragoza 2030. 

    i want to bring another concept-perception / another angle of naming a wog

     

    the problem-thing at the wogs is actually you need 2 certain issues > a city cluster & a mountain cluster

    the games has to be named (as you say) referring to the city-cluster as it was with: (beginning from 2000)

    slc 2002 .. torino-2006 .. vancouver 2010 .. sochi 2014 .. beijing 2022

    but the 2018 games were named after the province/district of pyeongchang with years of work they created alpensia

    2018 had not specific a city-cluster but more a sea-coast-cluster in the city of gangneung (capital of another province)

    2026 spoils the trend of naming a wog, i will explain it beneath

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    i think in all these wogs city-clusters (torino, milano, sochi, slc, gangneug) NONE of them NEVER hosted a summer olympics.. the BARCELONA-LABEL is blocked in the backmind with BARCELONA=SUMMER-OLYMPICS.. the spaniards have to get rid of this barcelona-labeling and thus also get rid of an eventual catalunis's wog-referendum and their political-struggle/friction with that region.. (imho)

     

    But to build up the analogy-1:

    once get rid of catalonia/barcelona the pyeongchang-like province naming can do it well.. for example:

    (11 letters) PYEONGCHANG 2018 = ARAGON 2030 (6 letters) 

    But to build up the analogy-2:

    (13 letters) MİLANO-CORTİNA 2026 = ZARAGOZA-JACA 2030 (12 letters)

     

    the analogy of 2026 is that MİLANO is the western outpost and CORTİNA d'ampezzo the eastern outpost that overlaps şn total 3 provinces/regions, but at the complicated end the slogan is a miscue of the reslity on the ground as it says the following: DUALİTY, UNİTY .. an organization in 6 locations with 9 sub-locations .. 2026 will be the most widest winter olympşc games in history with a total overspan of (NOT LİNEER) a devistating 255 km between the outposts. How wil the italians will do the traffic-jam between those 9-10 sub/locations.. whereby the aragon province has a more lineer axes similar with sochi-and-beijing.

     

    in the next post i will add a map where i did indicate those elements.

    in this case ZARAGOZA is the southern outpost and JACA the most northern outpost with the somport-border just at the border with france

  9. Forgot to say in the list: Istanbul organised today

    in the early-morning the 17th half marathon - 27.03.2022

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    HALF MARATHON = 21,0975 km .. or .. 13 mile 193 yard

    website: Anasayfa - N Kolay İstanbul Yarı Maratonu (istanbulyarimaratonu.com)

    source: Istanbul Half Marathon - Wikipedia

    live video: N Kolay 17. İstanbul Yarı Maratonu Canlı Yayın (LIVE BROADCAST) - İBB SPOR İSTANBUL - YouTube

     

    we call it "the historical peninsula race/loop/marathon"

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    There are stunning images in those 4 hours / in different categories

     

     

  10. On 3/25/2022 at 12:37 AM, stryker said:

    .. because a sliding track isn't feasible financially. It's not just the sliding track either. Spain really has no need for a ski jump or a speed skating oval either. Having sliding and nordic combined in France is the cheapest and most cost effective option. Both a sliding track and ski jump would become white elephants in the Pyrenees.

    i dont think like you striker, its rapidly said in stead of thinking deeper about the winter-sport intentions of a sports-country like spain:

    ITFP spain need those facilities to decrease winter-sport-engagement for generations to come, to perform better at each new wog. to commercialise they can be a center for wintersports for whole the spanish-speaking world and they could even organise hispano-winter-championships in apart winter-sports-branches that will leave a big legacy in the iberian country, because they will be the first & ONLY ones as winter facilities.. they want be elephants because they could built those in several middle-large/little cities..

    i have reviewd the milano-cortina bid and they MUST/WİLL built SPEED-OVAL at VAL Dİ FİEMME, because they have none at milan.. they also have to expand/revamp/refurbish their biatlhon, ski jump, cross country venues.. EVEN curling will be hed in the village where they renewd d'AMPEZZO olympic sports hall of 1956 .. not iconic but efficient venue.. the italian economy is also not awesome nowadays, nor the spanish economy is but they have a lot in common.

    the spaniards MUST build their gliding center, this would be the one and only big cost.. the chinese can built it.. the sarajevı gliding is not effectieve, because it is made of 100% concrete, whereas the new glidings contain wood/technological structures.. also the sarajevo gliding is squirming/twisting through forest/bushes and would be dangerous because of the fact that it would not meet the new norms and speeds/rapidities of new generation bobs etc..

    ski jumping and ovals and half pipes can be rapidly build, even zaragoza can built one or two in a same complex.. the city renewed it city center and had their expo in 2008 that could be used as the medal ceremonies..

    will post a new opinion about an eventual spanish wog bid without barcelona.. a new concept-perception is needed i think.. the name and location of barcelona spoils a lot of things.. the could ho simply for ZARAGOZA 2030/34

  11. 21 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

    And the probably favourite at the moment would be istanbul, whose only experience at the moment is the hosting of 5 failed euro bids and 3 failed olympic bids, and 2 champions league finals, (Also istanbul is a majestic city, which would give an amazing background to the olympics). 

    Thats not exactly right, istanbul organised in the last 20 years:

    - 3x uefa-league finales and the 4th one is comming in 2023 >> https://i.imgur.com/dfH7mP2.png

    - 9x formula-1 at Istanbul-Park >> Istanbul Park - Wikipedia

    - 34x cross-continental swim >> Bosphorus Cross Continental Swim - Wikipedia

    - 44x istanbul marathon >> Istanbul Marathon - Wikipedia

    - 4x istanbul open tennis (men) >> Istanbul Open - Wikipedia

    - 14x istanbul cup tennis (wonen) >> İstanbul Cup - Wikipedia

    - 1x IAAF indoor athletics >> 2012 IAAF World Indoor Championships - Wikipedia

    - 1x FIBA world basket champs >> 2010 FIBA World Championship - Wikipedia

    - 1x LEN swimming shortcourse champs >> 2009 European Short Course Swimming Championships - Wikipedia

    - 1x U-20 world-cup >> 2013 FIFA U-20 World Cup - Wikipedia

    - 2x world amputee football cup in istanbul >> Turkey national amputee football team - Wikipedia

    - 1x eurovolley champs in istanbul (men) >> 2009 Men's European Volleyball Championship - Wikipedia

    - 3x eurovolley champs in ankara (wonen) >> 2003 Women's European Volleyball Championship - Wikipedia

    - 1x euro champs artistic gymnastics in mersin (men + wonen) >> 2020 European Men's Artistic Gymnastics Championships - Wikipedia

    - a lot world/euro/balcan championships in istanbul in a wide variety of sports: weightlifting, karate, judo, teakwondo, wrestling, archery, athletics, gymnastics, triatlon, etcetera - even a euro-leg of ice-hockey/curling/ski-jumping..

    >> 3x 1994 World Weightlifting Championships - Wikipedia

     

     

    THIS LIST WOULD BE VERY LONG .. istanbul is a decent sports-city,

    - but we miss something like YOG or EUROPEAN GAMES or WORLD ATHLETICS/SWIMMING CHAMPS

    - but we miss also big organisations for equestrian, canoe, track-cycling, etcetera

    - however the bidding for the euro's in 2028 will boost also an eventual olympic bid

    - istanbul has a +/- 250.000 hotel-bed capacity with over the +/- 1.000 hotels (more then paris)

    - Here i made a lot of lists ABOUT international organizations .. Clicl on link below

     

     

  12. Here is an interesting source: (the russian-invasion-issue & intentions of the english FA)

     

    “Russia is making mischief; they have no chance of winning”

    Sky Sports News Chief Correspondent, Kaveh Solhekol:

    “It’s not entirely surprising because Russia hosted the World Cup in 2018 and many say it was one of the most successful and organized World Cups ever. They have it all available. the infrastructure to be able to host the Euro, that’s something they’ve looked at in the past.

    “But nobody expected them to do what they did today. It will be interesting to hear UEFA’s response on this because Russia is banned by UEFA and FIFA at the moment.

    “In the short term it’s a huge headache for UEFA. They were expecting the only bids for Euro 2028 to come from the UK & Ireland and then in two weeks’ time they would announce the Euros for the year. 2028 will be in the UK and Ireland, but this will mean the entire bidding process and an executive committee vote, which will take around a year and a half.

    “But from the outside looking in, it looks like Russia is doing mischief because they have to know that they have absolutely no chance of winning a vote to host in 2028 or 2032.”

     

    source: Russia and Turkey will face the UK and Ireland to host Euro 2028 after surprise submissions | Football news - News7h

  13.  

    the same short statement about the application for the bidding proces by the TTF, turkish football federation for the euro 2028, is been made on twitter as well as on the official website of the TFF..

    source: EURO 2028 ev sahipliği için resmi başvuru yapıldı  - TFF Haberleri TFF

    translation: "The Turkish Football Federation has made an official candidacy application to UEFA for the 2028 European Football Championship finals to be held in Turkey."

     

  14. a very short statement at the official turkish FA // TFF

    source: EURO 2028 ev sahipliği için resmi başvuru yapıldı  - TFF Haberleri TFF

    "Türkiye Futbol Federasyonu, 2028 Avrupa Futbol Şampiyonası finallerinin Türkiye'de düzenlenmesi için UEFA'ya resmi adaylık başvurusunu yaptı. "

    translation:

    "The Turkish Football Federation has made an official candidacy application to UEFA for the 2028 European Football Championship finals to be held in Turkey."

  15. 10 hours ago, Rob. said:

    The UK and Ireland are set to be named as the joint hosts of Euro 2028 with no rival bid having come forward before Wednesday’s deadline.

    Barring a surprise last-minute entry, Uefa will make a formal decision to appoint Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on April 7.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-ireland-set-to-host-euro-2028-in-absence-of-rival-bid-gdjcvf72b

     

     

    maybe il saying this untimely/early..

    but want to congratulate the UK & Ireland (the famous celtic 5).. ;)

    i die surfing on various turkish websites/FA..

    none .. ZERO information about the intention to submit an application on behalf of türkiye.. :unsure:

  16. 18 minutes ago, baron-pierreIV said:

    Again, naive Estanguet says Paris 2024 ticket sales system will be unlike those in the past.  

    Paris 2024 plan to sell half of 13.4 million tickets via central platform (insidethegames.biz) 

    Can someone explain to me how it will be different AND work?  They haven't even tested it -- to make sure it's viable -- and they've announced it already?  What about counterfeiting and re-sales?  Why reinvent a very complicated wheel when it's worked in the past?  

    I hope I am wrong - but I can just see this failing -- and it'll take MONTHS to fix it.  

    I wonder if Trump's Sure-failed "Truth-Social" platform is responsible for Paris 2024's latest folly?  :lol:

     

    miles, this is an issue im not familiar with it, 

    but you say "counterfeiting and re-sales"

    is this possible with digital tickets for example

    does e-ticketing and QR-codes have loopholes in the net

    just asking purely to know

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