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  3. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    29 minutes ago, iceman530 said:

    Interesting.  With the recent success of Nice OSC, would any of the infrastructure being built here go to facilitation of expanding that stadium? or possibly a new one?

    Do you mean the Nice Football Club (OGC Nice)?
    The answer is no... They have a quite recent 35000 seats stadium (2013).
    And for the WOG the need is to build to ice rinks. I can't see how it could be used for Football.
    By the way, nobody knows what they can do with them!
    Here what it is written in feasibility assessment file:
    226774.jpg?1701724001

  4. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    20 hours ago, iceman530 said:

    Lyon felt like it was never at any point interested, why would that be?  Would politics shut that one down?

    The president of the AURA region initiated a project a few years ago but, as already said, the mayors of Lyon, Grenoble and Annecy all come from green parties. It seems that he didn't even try to talk to them (at least that's what the mayor of Grenoble said).
    I could'nt find any comment about the bid from the mayor of Lyon. I interpret this silence as “I have much more important things to do”

    Here a comment from the mayor of Annecy:
    https://www.ledauphine.com/culture-loisirs/2023/12/01/jo-2030-ni-pour-ni-contre-le-groupe-politique-du-maire-d-annecy-sera-vigilant

    "neither for nor against, the political group of the mayor of Annecy will be “vigilant”

    Here a comment from the mayor of Grenoble:
    https://www.ledauphine.com/jeux-olympiques/2023/11/30/jeux-olympiques-d-hiver-2030-dans-les-alpes-grenoble-n-a-toujours-pas-ete-consultee-eric-piolle-reagit-a-l-avancee-de-la-candidature-francaise
     

    “Grenoble has still not been consulted”: Éric Piolle reacts to the progress of the French candidacy
    “I said it, I am leaning towards a model of Winter Olympics which would take place in 6 to 8 locations, to stop building, artificializing, making cold beds and infrastructures which are of no use.     In this context, the French Alps have their place. But there is also the question of consultation with citizens…”

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  5. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    The mayor of Nice has always been interrested by hosting the WOG.
    Nice was a candidate for 2018 WOG. During the  preselection, Nice got 9 votes, Grenoble 10 votes and Annecy 23 votes.

    Here an article about the PACA region project at the beginning of the year (2034 or 2038 at that time !)
    https://sportetsociete.org/2023/01/14/jo-2034-2038-renaud-muselier-reitere-son-ambition-pour-les-alpes-du-sud/
    It is explained that they will have to make a choice between Marseille     and Nice.
    The history of the 2018 candidacy is also recapped.
    Some interresting comments in 2008 (google transaltion from this article):

    In an interview for “Corse Matin” in September 2008, the three-time Olympic Champion of the 1968 Olympic Games notably explained: Annecy and Grenoble have enormous assets to showcase, but Nice has no less. On the contrary. Nice has its image of prestige and light. An exceptional site already equipped with all the major infrastructures in terms of transport, accommodation and know-how in terms of tourist reception. The Winter Olympics involve 3,500 athletes, 8,000 journalists and around a million and a half spectators: the Côte d’Azur knows how to manage that. And everyone is aware of it. But Nice has another card in its game. A secret card. That of surprise. The capital of the Côte d'Azur has a real high country, a very old Alpine tradition, real know-how in winter sports that goes back a long way. In Nice and on the Côte d’Azur, everyone knows it. Beyond that, maybe not. Hence certainly the totally ridiculous feeling that Nice's candidacy for these Winter Olympics is preposterous.

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  6. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    On 11/17/2023 at 4:56 PM, neige said:

    It seems that the bid is mainly based on several projects initiated by the mayor in recent years within the 'Eco Valley' to the west of Nice.

    • A new Multimodal Exchange Hub planed for 2028

       

    https://www.nicecotedazur.org/projets/pole-dechanges-multimodal/

     

    "The Multimodal Exchange Hub will offer complete intermodality, enabling tram-airport connections (direct access to the airport), tram-bus (urban and intercity buses), tram-train (TGV and regional trains), tram-car (700-space park-and-ride and car-sharing stations), tram-bike (Vélo Bleu bicycles)"

    • An extension of the airport planned for 2026

       

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/nice/aeroport-de-nice-nous-devons-avoir-un-accueil-a-la-hauteur-de-la-cote-d-azur-20230518

     

    "We anticipate 18 million passengers in the coming years. Whether it's in 2030 or 2035, we will be prepared thanks to this extension"

    • A new convention center in the Eco Valley planned for 2028

       

    https://nicepresse.com/nice-du-retard-pour-le-futur-palais-des-congres-de-la-plaine-du-var-pas-pour-celui-du-port/

     

    "The ambition is to compete with European rivals, offering an ultra-modern Business and Innovation Center at the heart of the eco-business valley for companies and startups, near the international airport and the multimodal hub (new SNCF station, tramway...)"

     

     

    Would this be suitable for hockey ice rinks?

    • Several real estate projects

       

    https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/alpes-maritimes/nice/et-si-la-ville-du-futur-etait-en-train-de-sortir-de-terre-a-nice-2736278.html

     

    "The neighborhood is also connected to its environment. The center of Nice and its train station can be reached in 15 minutes. With Nice Côte d’Azur airport, the rest of the planet is accessible in 10 minutes!"

     

    One of these real estate projects could be suitable for an olympic village!

    • A new green corridor planned for 2030

    https://nicepresse.com/nice-une-seconde-coulee-verte-de-20-hectares-amenagee-dans-quelques-annees/

     

    "In its effort to turn the area into a "green lung" within the city, the Metropolis aims to offer various landscaped settings in the heart of a highly urbanized area in recent decades.To the south, plans are underway to create sports and recreational facilities. The goal: to transform it into a miniature "Central Park" of the French Riviera (the original area comprises 340 hectares)"

    This could be suitable for a kind of olympic parc!

    And also this project in the city center:

    • A new convention center on the harbor planned for 2025

       

    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/societe/un-palais-des-congres-va-etre-construit-sur-le-port-de-nice-pour-remplacer-l-acropolis-7009603

     

    "10,000 m2 of premises will be built by June 2025, for the Ocean Summit, the United Nations conference on the oceans. But there is no question that this will only be used for this international event"

    It's  been announced as the media center for potential Olympic Games!

    Here is an implementation on the map
    226186.jpg?1700236490

    Hockey will not be in the new convention center like I thought it could be. it will be the IBC.
    it is now needed not one new ice rink, but two ice rinks!
    here the updated map with figure skating / short track in the Acropolis exhibition center and a new extended green corridor up to it.
    https://nicepresse.com/nice-de-nouveaux-visuels-et-details-sur-lextension-de-la-coulee-verte-en-images/

    Here the updated map:

    226687.jpg?1701629011

  7. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    On 12/2/2023 at 10:15 AM, neige said:

    Figure skating / short track are located in "palais des expositions Acropolis" which is currently being destroyed! (and will be replaced by a garden). I'm still wondering where it will finally be...:blink:

    I now understand how figure skating can be set up in the Acropolis center. There are actually 2 parts in this center. A convention center which is currently destroyed and an exhibition center which is not destroyed. A 10000 seats ice rink will be set up in this exhibition center like for the 2000 an 2012 world championships.

  8. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    https://sportetsociete.org/2023/12/02/jo-2030-la-carte-des-alpes-francaises-provoque-deja-des-remous/

    Google translation:
    Olympic Games 2030: The map of the French Alps is already causing a stir
    ....
    From Friday December 1, 2023, the project leaders announced that two of the resorts initially presented on the map of sites unveiled on November 7 should ultimately be excluded from the system, following the recommendations made by the Olympic institution to reduce the number of sites to be mobilized. Concretely, Val d'Isère (Savoie), for women's and men's alpine ski slaloms, and Isola 2000 (Alpes-Maritimes), for ski cross and snowboard cross are off the map and will therefore not host competitions, unless we consider a new overhaul of the project.
    .....
    The announcement of this recalibration of the project – partly anticipated even before the unveiling of the map at the beginning of November – immediately aroused incomprehension on the part of the sites concerned, but also among Jean-Claude Killy, ski legend alpine, triple Olympic Champion at the 1968 Grenoble Games and honorary member of the IOC.

    As he announced today in a press release: I am saddened and scandalized by the peremptory decision to withdraw Val d’Isère from the 2030 Olympics. We have thus thrown away, without analysis, without consultation and without rational basis, an entire section of the history of ski racing. [Val d'Isère should remain on the map given] the excellence of its slopes and its all existing and well-established infrastructures, its organizational expertise, its strong history and its passion for ski racing and ski racing. 'Olympism. Denouncing a decision that he considers hasty, the man who was, for years, one of the influential members of the Olympic institution after having been a key player in the organization of the Albertville 1992 Games also clarified: It's not me, it's the other. This is what I hear today. No one, in all the exchanges I have had over the last few hours, takes responsibility for this. It seems that the dialogue which was supposed to last until spring has already ended. […] I think it is important to reconsider this decision. Respected voice of French sport although in retreat for several years, Jean-Claude Killy undoubtedly hopes – with this strong declaration – that the time granted by the IOC to the candidacy to finalize its general concept will be fully used to re-examine the conditions of reception of the tests.

     

  15. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    1 hour ago, AustralianFanGPT said:

    A nice set of Alps in 2030 would probably have majestic snow-capped peaks, lush green valleys, and crystal-clear alpine lakes. Imagine charming villages with cozy chalets, where the air is crisp and the scenery is like a postcard come to life. Whether you're into skiing, hiking, or just enjoying the view, a nice set of Alps would offer a perfect blend of natural beauty and outdoor adventure.

    It's not the Switzerland topic here! ;)

  16. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    8 hours ago, FYI said:

    I'm not really as anal on those reports & assessments like a few others around here are about them

    french alps

    I read this one carefully and I must say I don't find it really serious.

    • the venue masterplan plan is not the right one. Val d'Isère and Isola 2000 are missing.
    • Figure skating / short track are located in "palais des expositions Acropolis" which is currently being destroyed! (and will be replaced by a garden). I'm still wondering where it will finally be...:blink:
    • there is no study on snow cover in 2030. (many people are wondering about this, legitimately)

     

  17. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    23 hours ago, neige said:

    A new Venue Masterplan can be seen in this file:

    226526.jpg?1701290788

    Isola 2000 (initially planned for Ski/Snowboard cross and quite far from Nice) has been removed
    Val d'Isère (initially planned for Slalom apine skiing and quite far from Méribel/Courchevel) has been removed

    Finally, it seems Isola2000 and Val d'Isère are still in the bid :huh:
    I don't think this feasibility-assessment file is really up to date
    https://www.bfmtv.com/cote-d-azur/replay-emissions/bonsoir-cote-d-azur/c-est-quelque-chose-d-incroyable-isola-2000-devrait-accueillir-des-epreuves-des-jo-2030_VN-202311300684.html
    “It’s something incredible”: Isola 2000 should host 2030 Olympic events
    https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sports/sports-d-hiver/ski-alpin/jo-d-hiver-2030-en-france-c-est-une-reconnaissance-pour-val-d-isere-et-les-alpes-francaises_6215094.html
    2030 Winter Olympics in France: “It’s recognition” for Val d’Isère and the French Alps
     

  22. Stockholm/Åre 2030

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    7 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

    Niege, this is the Sweden thread.  

    Sorry ;), I just wanted to show how an indoor stadium was turned into a swimming pool, trying to imagine how it might be for an indoor stadium turned into an ice rink.
    I guess it could be quite the same, a skating rink for competition on one half of the field, a stand in the middle and another ice rink for warming up on the other half of the field.
    Starting from a 32,000 seats stadium , it is obtained a 17000 seats swimming pool.
    So it can be imagine that, starting from the 50,000 seats Friens Arena, it would be obtained an ice rink with about 25000 seats.

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  23. Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

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    35 minutes ago, Roger87 said:

    I heard about some of these, but I didn't know all of this. Some of these projects are doing regardless the WOG bid since these were planned way back. 

    exactly, but it's quite smart to take advantage of all these projects that were started before and to seize the opportunity to host the Olympic Games.
    The only project that must be considered with regard to the Olympics is the new ice rink, precisely because it had not been planned before. The famous 5% to build!
    In the same way, the mayor of Nice was smart enough to add a snow venue (ski/snowboard cross) in the Nice hub by taking advantage of the developments decided last year for Isola 2000 ski resort .
    https://www.lefigaro.fr/nice/hotels-quatre-etoiles-nouvelle-residence-pres-de-nice-isola-2000-fait-sa-mue-en-vue-des-jo-d-hiver-2030-20231109

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