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  1. 3 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

     

    As though most posts in general throughout gamesbid.com don't pretty much say the same thing over and over, and over, again. I don't deny I repeat my same talking points, but so do other people.

    The lesson of cases like an Amber Heard on trial or Will Smith/Jada at the Academy Awards (another type of ceremony that occurs in LA) is that a lot of the people around most everyone is mental, bi-polar, sociopathic

    That's the world the Olympic games are bravely marching into.

    You repeat and overstate your views far beyond anyone else here. Repetition like yours is the currency of attention whores.

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  2. 4 hours ago, StefanMUC said:

    Mexico City is the only city that really brought tears to my eyes, quite literally, thanks to the air „quality“.

    And anyway, I cannot take any 2036 bid seriously if the corresponding thread here has not been officially approved and announced by the master of New Norm. So, bye bye, Mexico.

     

    4 hours ago, FYI said:

    But wouldn't this just add, not subtract, to your "traveling circus" mentality, though. ^_^

    He has a map!

  3. 1 hour ago, Nacre said:

    I would say not "hard" but rather "insoluble". 

    There is no fair solution to this conundrum, and whatever sporting authorities decide to do will be unfair, unjust and inhumane to somebody.

    Because I am a consequentialist I think the decision should be made on the basis of the greatest good and the least harm. Deontologists will insist on strict rules or rights. Virtue ethicists will choose a cause (or a side in a social war). And all of us will be wrong and nobody will be right.

    Thank you for that. I’ve never formally studied philosophy or ethics, so that was a welcome explanation.

    I was first prompted to post this thread after, while having breakfast in a cafe, I noticed a front page headline on the impending decision in one of the morning newspapers (it was actually one of the more notorious Murdoch broadsheets, which had led the wolf-whistling on the issue during our recent election campaign, and which I’m these days embarrassed to say I actually worked on over the years). It really got me pondering the issue, and actually got me quite perplexed. My natural inclination, informed by my experiences as a gay man, is to always support diversity and inclusion, yet I couldn’t wrap my head around the fact that do do so in this case had pretty negative consequences in the sporting level playing field. Hence, why I came here to hopefully get a bit of guidance, maybe a bit of reassurance that I wasn’t the arsehole in feeling as I did, and to canvas some opinions. I was a bit worried that it could blow up into a sh!t fight, but it’s nice to see my feelings confirmed that while we might be at each others’ throats at times on minor points of Olympics difference, we are usually pretty cool, calmed and reasonable on major ethical debates.   

    I think, as others have said, FINA were on a hiding to nothing whatever they chose to do. It’s to their credit they made a ruling at all, rather than just ignore it as a problem for the too hard basket. I guess I feel FINA’s chief, overriding role is organise and oversee fair and free aquatics spots and competitions and that’s what they’ve done here - made a decision for the fairest eligibility for competitive events for the interests of the greatest numbers (consequentialist?, I gather). And yes, maybe that isn’t fair on trans aquatic athletes, but at least the are being acknowledged and being offered an open category to compete in as well. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it’s a fair basis, IMO, on which to go forward and perhaps work to improve upon in future.    

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  4. 10 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

    Its a complicated matter. 

    I believe that transmen are men and transwomen are women. I recognise that trans people face every day systematic discrimination.

    However there are legitimate issues around physical fairness which does need to be addressed. Its good that FINA and other peak sporting groups are leading this - exactly where these conversations should take place in a sensitive and pragmatic manner. (And far, far away from the self interested shrieks of politicians).

    Thank you. Yes, that’s a far more succinct summary of what I believe than what I struggled to state.

  5. At the risk of opening up a can of worms, or rather perhaps to stimulate one, what are people’s views on the transgender issue in sports? Sparked by this:

    Revealed: Swimming’s secret plan for historic transgender ruling

    Apologies if it’s paywalled for you, but in a nutshell it’s saying that FINA is set to rule during the current world championship to tighten up regulations on transgender participation in elite events - ie, not to recognise m2f trans swimmers in womens’ events.

    Now, I know this is a fraught issue. It was used as a wedge issue during Oz’s recent federal election and I know it’s also a culture war issue elsewhere (esp the US). But I wonder what members’ views are on it?

    Personally, let me start by affirming that I do support social equality for trans people. It’s fair enough that trans people are afforded legal and social recognition of their gender identities. But I don’t believe it’s so straightforward when it comes to pure, I suppose I’d have to describe it as, biomechanical equality. It’s not like an f2m trans can physically father a child or an m2f can gestate one.

    When it comes to elite sports competitions, we generally expect that al competitors should be competing on an equal playing field. We don’t accept performance enhancers like doping, for example. When it comes to trans competitors (and let’s be blunt, it’s basically mainly an issue with m2f athletes) I do believe that biomechanics offers them an advantage over biologically female born athletes. And just as I don’t believe para-athletes like Oscar Pistorius should have been allowed to compete against able-bodied athletes at the Olympics (his “blade runner” prosthetics were too much of a blurred line between offering advantage), I also think m2f trans athletes can hold an unfair advantage in elite competition for record marks or medals in an Olympics or world championship.

    Feel free to refute me if you feel otherwise - I’m prepared to be open-minded and change my views if you can convince me. I don’t want t be a JK Rowling.  But I just think this is a case where trying to be fair and politically correct can have some negative impacts.

     

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  6. 14 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

    I’d put Vancouver 2030 right up there with on a par with Sapporo 2030.  Similar public opinion levels too.

    What? More against it than for it, and no support over 50 per cent?

    According to a new survey by Leger, 34 per cent of respondents across the Canadian province from December 17 to 19 said they support a possible bid to host the 2030 Games while 35 per cent oppose the project and the remaining 31 per cent are neutral.

    The new results are similar to those of a poll taken by Research Co. in October that revealed a similar split of 43 per cent in favor of a bid with 45 per cent against and 12 per cent undecided.  

    Source: GamesBids

  7. 5 hours ago, Olympics2028 said:

    Think of the recent celebrations in London if they had included a segment where the monarch was made to look like she parachuted out of a helicopter and then landed on the roof of Buckingham Palace. 

    Sure, a great time still would have been had by all. But re-creating Elizabeth getting a pie in the face could be a fun moment too.

    You do know the jubilee celebrations included a clip of Her Majesty with Paddington Bear, don’t you?

     

    And, no, you’re sh!t with choirs and flagpoles and stuff is indeed nonsense…

  8. Going by their most recent numbers, they may not even need a referendum to sink it.

    According to a new survey by Leger, 34 per cent of respondents across the Canadian province from December 17 to 19 said they support a possible bid to host the 2030 Games while 35 per cent oppose the project and the remaining 31 per cent are neutral.

    The new results are similar to those of a poll taken by Research Co. in October that revealed a similar split of 43 per cent in favor of a bid with 45 per cent against and 12 per cent undecided.  

    Source: GamesBids

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