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  1. I think Winter Games in the Pyrenees would be great. Three countries can bid, so the possibilities are many. A Zaragoza bid would be interesting.

    Zaragoza has a detailed Bid-Book almost ready, but due to political issues there won't be a bid for 2022. The document includes affordable projects which are being carried out nowadays offering reasonable legacy for the region and boosting railway communications with Europe through The Pyrennes.

    In a Zaragoza-Barcelona battle, I reckon that Zaragoza and its Pyrenees can offer a better project.

    I can give you more information about most Jaca's bids and the attempts of Zaragoza for 2018, 2022 WOG and also the 2015 Winter Universiade. Projects that finally did not go beyond.

  2. In fact, the main reason is that Zaragoza's Mayor, after the local elections in March, did not get the support from some political parties to keep on with the bid.

    (Altough the other reasons given could also be true :D)

  3. I would be interesting if you can provide a link to it.

    However to host the Winter Olympics you need a Vertical drop of 800m for the mens'downhill.

    No drop, no downhill, no games - this is why Quebec has had to bail

    If Candanchu can't host than I cannot see which resorts around Jaca could?

    I will try to upload it. However, the whole document is in Spanish...

    I know in depth the mountain area around Jaca and I have talked with some professionals about the downhill vertical drop.

    Nowadays, there are ski resorts around Jaca, which can offer a slope with that vertical drop. But that is not the most important aspect, because the International Federations were checking the resorts and stated that the track has to combine some other fundamental requierements for a WOG, such us enough slope, velocity, safetiness, adequate arrival area for spectators and media...

    There is a ski resort in Aragon, which can offer all that, Cerler. However, it is quite far away and the project would be much weaker and unfeasible.

    The point is that around the ski resorts of Jaca, there are zones that provide the vertical drop but the creation of a downhill track has not been planned yet. In other words, it is necesary to develop a research around the existing ski resorts to determine the best posible location for that track.

    This should be the starting point (and not just trying to locate the downhill track in a existing resort as Cerler, which is what Zaragoza 2022 pretended to do).

  4. Actually it is not.

    No matter what research people want to do on this site the facts of geography are this

    Zaragoza airport to Jaca is 142km = FACT

    Jaca to Candanchu is at least 30km = FACT

    and it has to be Candanchu resort as there must be an 800m vertical drop for FIS downhill events = FACT

    Vancouver to Whistler is 130km. It was already a heavily used route before it was even updated for 2010.

    The issue Zaragoza has had has always been distance from the alpine events. That's why it was Jaca 2014, but then this was rejected because they wanted to have the ceremonies in Zaragoza. There is also a difficulty in speeding up and shortening travel distances unless they want to dig through 50miles of mountain

    Jacques Rogues has already told a proposed Oslo-Lillehammer bid that the 185km distance between the locations (Kvitjell)is too great despite the already planned high speed rail link up the Hamar valley

    So you'll find my data is in fact not totally wrong. Maybe check before criticising.

    p.s I would love Zaragoza to be a host but the geographical challenges are too much

    Now your distances are OK.

    However you are wrong again with Candandu. The vertical drop doesn't consist on having a look to the highest and the lowest point of the ski resort. I go every winter to Candachu (and many other Spanish ski resorts) and I can assure you that Candanchu can not host that alpine events.

    About distances, here you have the real comparison:


    I am sorry because it is in Spanish, but i hope that you can understand the main idea.

    I have much information about a future Zaragoza's bid, even a Bid Book with more than 70 pages of studies and proyects. I can give you more information if you are interested.

  5. the problem with Zaragosa is distance to the Alpine events. Jaca is about 150kms and then the actual resorts are another 70-80km. It is simply too great

    your data are totally wrong... there has been a deep research is this forum about a possible Zaragoza's bid. It has been proved that, with adequate and reasonable works, the transport system could reach the one in Vancouver 2010. You can look for this research in a topic called "Zaragoza Winter Games" or something similar.

  6. Is the Spanish government not supporting any Spanish winter bid? Do you think they might be more supportive after the 2020 race?

    Not much..

    In fact, as someone said before, Granada is hosting the 2015 Winter Universiade but the Spanish Government has cancelled the 10 million euros subsidy.

    Is the own goverment/Spanish Olympic Committee the one who claims that Spain needs to develop its winter sport infraestructure and improve its performance in international competitions. However, they dont not involve themselves to reach that target..

    The High-Perfomace Center of Jaca has also been cancelled.

    Spain should support with facts, not only with words, the development of the winter sports in the country.

  7. Pity because La Molina lacks the vertical drop that FIS demands as its only 745m while the Jaca resorts are 900m

    I am not so sure that you can find a 900m vertical drop at the current ski resorts arround Jaca (I have a flat in Jaca and i go there to ski very often).

    It would be easy to find that vertical drop, but a new ski resort would be needed.

    The best Spanish bid would of course be the Sierra Nevada if there could be a guarantee of snow. They've held FIS World Cup races and the World Championship in 1996 and the Sierra Nevada Ski Resort has a vertical drop of 1200m

    Nearby is the city of Granada is only 17miles away so could hold the necessary skating events and Malaga is about 80miles further.

    This has been discussed for a long time. Granada can only offer Sierra Nevada, just one sky resort to host a large amount of different events in 2 weeks...

  8. if Zaragona won the Spanish nomination it could be an interesting bid

    - Its a strong winter sports following

    - A number of indoor facilities

    - the mountain unlike Barca's bid has a big enough mountain at 900m

    - Jaca is Spain's winter capital.

    - Its transport infrastructure is sufficently well developed.

    - they have learnt from Jaca 2014

    - they are hosting a number of non-sporting international events

    Well, Zaragoza is about to withdraw from the 2022 race.

    Zaragoza could make a really good bid, but it needs a real support from the Spanish adn the regional government (not just words).

  9. Hi! Although this message is mainly adressed to Thatsnotmypuppy and cfmJeremie, I encourage everybody to read it.

    Some days ago I was able to visit the "Instituto Bibliografico Aragones", I mean, the "Library of Aragon". I was looking for some olympic documents that I have been researching on. There, I found many insteresting documents: firstly, the Jaca 92 and Jaca 98 Dossiers. And what is more surprising, the Jaca 94 Dossier! I had never read or heard about the desire of Jaca of hosting the 1994 WOG.

    In my blog you can find pics and more info about this (Jaca 98 not yet). Maybe I could get a complete copy of the documents to send you for the Bid Libary. These are the links to the articles:

    Jaca '92 (I)

    Jaca '92 (II)

    Jaca '94

  10. Why 'robbed'? I don't think any crew about to win an Olympic gold medal would deliberately go and break their own mast.

    According with what I have read, nobody in the race knew that the Croatian boat was in fact the Danish one, the strategies would have been changed for all participants if they would have known it. Besides, i think that this fact goes against the rules, the own federation has asked for a penalization too.

    It is just crazy.

  11. SPAIN WAS ROBBED IN 49er!!! The Danish have competed with the Croatian boat after they destroyed their own boat, so Spain has complained to the referees.

    Decision tomorrow.


    Spain has been robbed! Silver medal instead of gold...

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