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  1. Hello

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      haha thanks for your reply! I didnt even know people replied to this.

  2. The OC music was fantastic! Perhaps the most memorable since John Williams' 1996 "Summon the Heros" and his 1984 theme for Los Angeles!
  3. It won't be an utter failure. I'm sure brazilian hospitality and their ability to throw amazing parties will ensure a fantastic games. It just may not be remembered for it's iconic architecture or a strong recollection of venues... And prob during the games there will be some confusion where the main stadium is and counfusion which is indeed the 'olympic stadium'. some tourists and officals will get lost along the way maybe, on their way to soccer and ending up in the wrong stadium, since both are even in the same cluster. Tv viewers will be confused at first between atheletics stadium and maracana but who cares.
  4. Yes there must be room for new things. But sometimes the risk is great. Vancouver's BC Place tried many new things when it came to this aspect. Many were unfortunately not as successful in terms of immediate impact and long term legacy in people's minds, as it could have been. (Multiple Cauldrons being one of them, the inflated roof etc..) to justify having it this way in the future. It would have been fantastic if it succeeded and became the new way of doing things, like how Sydney succeeded in ceremonies that it is defined as the turning point in theatrical ceremonial productions and every host city has been trying to outdo each other since then, but unfortunately the impact of vancouver's cauldrons was lackluster and even controversial at times. I will say BC Place was an exception that they attempted, but will try to be avoided in the future if possible, same for Maracana, at most it will be a one off. Besides Maracana will have it's moment of glory as the 'anchor venue' at the 2014 world cup because of it's soccer status. It will be strange associating it as the 'olympic stadium' as soon as 1.5 years later - some how I think. How did they do the cauldron at the 2007 games with two stadiums? Sorry I don't live in the Americas so I have no impressions or memories of 2007 Pam Am.
  5. Exactly and there would be no difference between the Oslo flag and one I can buy and fly in my backyard. It just contributes to the continued confusion so many reporters have during the Handover Ceremony at the CC. They should have a new rule that kicks those reporters out who don't know their facts! Wasting precious space at the ceremonies! So why did Seoul get to do something special?
  6. Because the Olympic Stadium (aka home to the ceremonies, cauldron, athletics and soccer finals, marathon end) is like the 'anchor tenant' of any summer OG. Like we will always expect the stadium to host Soccer Finals, and we will always expect the marathon to end there on the morning of the closing ceremony (unless there is an far greater over riding reason such as Athens 04) It's just tradition as it always has been. We look forward to that 'tradition' once every four years. It's not that Athletics is a more important sport. It's just that some how, traditionally for the Summer OG, the Olympic Stadium is the flagship venue. Traditionally, it is also the largest venue in terms of seating capacity and biggest architectural draw that anchors the games in people's minds. Like in Beijing, everyone will forever remember the Bird's Nest, same for possibly Sydney's Stadium Australia, LA's Colosseum or Munich's unusual "tented" roofing. It is about branding the games through architecture and design. Thus it's location is intrinsic to the dynamics of the games. I.e. prime location: heart of the Olympic Park, along the central axis of the Olympic Boulevard etc... It just adds to the pomp and circumstance of the atmosphere, the spectacle that we all know is the Games of the Olympiad. It is a feeling no other place on earth can provide, besides the World Expo maybe, but still the Summer OG is the ultimate experience. Walking down this enormous, cavernous space with tens of thousands of people from all over the world! Among venues of sport, cultural festivities and dynamic architecture. And having the flame in the park, seeing it high up from all surrounding areas surely contributes to the atmosphere of the location and it makes the place 'sacred', in an emotional way I suppose, both for athletes and spectators alike. Of course there will always be events that happen in more obscure locals, some simply because of geography (such as sailing or biking) but traditionally, (which is what the venerable Games of the Olympiad are always about - tradition), the Olympic Stadium has been the 'capital venue' of the games in people's hearts, long after the games have ended. Just my two cents worth
  7. Why is the seoul flag allowed to have the colored fringes around the edges? I mean it's really beautiful and it is so distinguishable at the Closing Ceremonies. but it's not been done for the Oslo Flag and recently the unveiling of the Singapore Flag to be passed on to Nanjing for the YOG also has nothing special on it. I mean it is sort of a ceremonial flag - and could possibly have interesting embellishments, much like how a royal standard or military regiment's colors have interesting tassels hanging from the flagstaff etc.
  8. Oh i see. Thanks for that youtube video and links. ...But Athletics and the ceremonies, the two most high profile elements of the games are not at the olympic park?? It's like having a 'capital city' but the parliament and presidential palace is not located there LOL... I suppose a multiple cauldron situation might be the simple solution.... but that really, really sucks! It's so dilutive and ruins the whole concept of the 'flame'. I have yet to see a multiple cauldron situation that works. Most winter games that had multiple cauldrons, including the most recent Vancouver's was simply ambiguous, confusing, unmemorable and awful! In Vancouver, we all remember the glitchy indoor one, the outdoor one with the barricades and hmmm, like were there two? no in actual fact, three! One more in whistler! But no one remembers exactly where, how or when. No multiple cauldrons please!!!! ....maybe the best will be to have a really huge cauldron high up in the mountains and then it will be visible from many parts of the city, just like the Christ Statue!
  9. It is unfortunate that the Olympic Flame wont be burning in the Athletics stadium. Somehow that is something iconic and memorable, seeing the cauldron framed with sports taking place. Now the flame will be located in an empty stadium that will only see football finals on day 15? The Athletics stadium has always been the flagship venue in all summer OCs, and the 'heart' of the olympic park. There also seems to be no olympic park. The lack of an 'Olympic Park' also means that there wont be a concentrated 'atmosphere' that is so critical to the success of the games. Outside the actual sports, it is the 'carnival like' atmosphere that surrounds the stadiums that creates the feeling of what the Olympics is. Of course Winter OGs have always had spread out venues, but then again - this is the Summer OG which is in a totally different league! Of course that being said, i'm sure the Brazilians will throw an excellent party atmosphere.
  10. Unfortunately not. Unfortunately most songs from the Opening Ceremony were not written for the purpose of the games. They were mostly generic pop songs taken from American pop/rock singers like Black Eye Peas and Shrek the cartoon movie. It was sad that they did not get the Singapore National Orchestra to compose or write original anthems/ soundtracks/ fanfares for the games, like what they did at most other games. The most iconic and memorable Games Soundtracks IMO being Vancouver and Sydney, even Melbourne CWG had a good soundtrack, and of course John William's themes from Atlanta/ Los Angeles There is a theme song for these Youth Games and it might have been released as a single somewhere out there... but it's not something that exists or can be bought at the music shops or the official olympic store in Singapore.
  11. Hmmm more like $200 Now the lighthouse has turned into a chimney puffing black smoke out. Cauldron concept was truly original, tho it would have been nice if they had it in the center of the bay like the way real lighthouses are, and have Darren Choy literary 'walk on water' like Jesus. and though i like the olympic tornado as an innovative concept, somehow what's missing when the novelty wears off by day 2, - is the more natural looking iconic olympic flame!!!
  12. I went back to the floating stage today to see the effectiveness of the very innovative lighthouse and how the flame stands out in the day. It seems to also have turned into a 'chimney' puffing very black smoke out. Sometimes it ebbed a little like the pic below, but other times it became very thick - like burning kerosene. It might have to do with the flame being enclosed inside glass and the lack of oxygen. I do hope they solve the problem because, it looks kinda pollutive, and doesn't the IOC have regulations on the type of gas being burned, and that the flame should be 'clean' ? (no smoke, just clear vapor or CO2) I think the flames of recent times were all very clean (smokeless) despite their enormous burn size, though they often left black soot marks on the cauldron by day 4-5 of the games LOL
  13. Great commentary baron. I still do love the old days when they had the big flag on it's own, and certainly without the 'aid' of fan blowing at it as we have seen at Beijing and Vancouver (of course indoors there would be no wind) Simple, truthful and just let the flag and wind do it's thing without human intervention.
  14. Thank God the cauldron went off without a hitch this time!
  15. Anyone knows what the protocol is for the movement (lowering or raising) of the large olympic flag in the stadium during the course of the games? Technically once up during the OC, it should not be tempered with? I know for sure at Vancouver the moment the opening ceremonies were done, they lowered it and moved the flagpole around, and re-raised it during the nightly Victory Ceremonies, and prior to the closing ceremony it was lowered, and relocated to the other side of the stage next to the canadian flag on another flag pole. (during the opening it was at opposite sides of the stage) I saw some video footage of the "in between" moments and them moving the flag around. I suppose in Vancouver they had more liberty since it was in an indoor location away from the view of the public? I believe the Beijing flag was also relocated during the games, as the location of flagpole at opening ceremony and during athletics was at a different position of the Birds Nest. Secondly, I also noticed in recent times, (since Athens 2004 I think), they have been placing the host nation's flag on a similar flagpole next to the olympic flag or in close proximity to it, so that both flags fly in tandem with each other during the OC. Was there a shift in IOC policy on this, because prior to Athens, it seems that the Olympic flag was always on it's own, while during the OC, the host nation would have it's flag raised on the much smaller/ three poles which are used for 1,2,3 positions during the subsequent competition. At least for the summer games this has been the case since forever? I know in beijing they did remove the China flag and flagpole after the OC, so that during athletics the Olympic Flag was on it's own. The china flag made it's reappearance at the CC. Any thoughts?
  16. Thanks for answering the question Kendegra. Apologies haven't been following the history of BC Place's roof and what was going on with that stadium. I must say that the projections used during the ceremonies were very sharp and perhaps the best so far of any ceremony, and i'm sure in the indoor "complete darkness" contributed to that effectiveness as compared to an outdoor venue.
  17. Was there any reason why they chose not to remove the roof before the Olympic Winter Games? Wouldn't it have saved them a lot of trouble when it came to the lighting of the flame, one cauldron high above the arena rather than the indoor/ outdoor arrangement that left quite a lot be be desired - plus fireworks could be used?
  18. It starts at 8.10 pm SGP which is plus 8 hours GMT this sat. If you are on the pacific west coast it will be around 4am? Anywhere east of that - it would be on at least at an earthly hour!
  19. wow you are right! But never in recent memory at least since I was born... oh actually i was 5 years old by Lillehammer Even then, not on the scale of the Summer games. But it would be nice to see if Rio at least considers this 'problem' for their games. Are the two stadiums far apart from each other?
  20. Very true baron. One thing that always has been a powerful connector that links the Opening Ceremony to the Closing in any 'Games of the Olympiad' is the way the flame burns high above the Olympic Stadium and in the heart of the Olympic Park. The flame is often forgotten after Day 0, in the first few days of competition when all eyes are on the swimming pool and gymnasium, but by the time the catalyst and interest in the games catches on around the world, day 5 or 6 begins, and Athletics starts and yay!... we can see that huge flame once again burning quietly in the background - as Athletes do their high jumps, as tears stream down their faces during the victory ceremonies. I always found that to be a powerful symbol of how a ceremonial object had so much meaning and evocation, so much so that it justified the elaborate 4 hour ceremony that lead to it's ignition. Athletics is pretty much the 'flagship' event of the Summer Olympics - and the stadium is always the 'flagship' venue of any Olympic Park. It is fitting the flame crowns such a venue and in the case of the Summer edition, the venue's setting works perfectly - Sport vs. Ceremony vs. Spectacle. However, that power of the Flame has never occurred in any winter games as the stadium is not used for any competition. At best the flame burns majestically to an empty stadium, at worst, you get the blunder of Vancouver's ambiguous 'multiple flames'. The spread out nature of competition venues and lack of a centralized olympic park also prevents this "festival like" atmosphere which we have seen so powerfully happen along famous olympic boulevards in Sydney, Athens, Beijing, where 24 hours a day, hundreds of thousands of people just walk and take in the sights. But the main point is, the power of the flame is pretty much lost in the winter edition. Again never knew why they did a double flame thing for Vancouver's OC / CC and the Whistler 'mini' flame? It was awfully confusing and diminished the power of a core/ central visual symbol. Also concerned about how Rio 2016's flame will fare as it will be burning in an empty stadium as Athletics is in a different venue? Very strange, not a good thing IMO!
  21. I suppose what makes the lighting sequence, spectacular or not depends on the story line that is woven around the "lighting of the flame" segment. It is not so much the way the flame makes it from torch to cauldron but the story of the process that is involved, plus the way the cauldron is unveiled. The story and the unveiling of the cauldron creates suspense and excitement. It moves our emotions. Like Sydney's waterfall was so spectacular (the best ever IMO) because fire touched water, a theme carried throughout the 2000 relay (think great barrier reef relay segment to the ripple motif that defined the Torch Bearer's outfit) and even it's relevance to opening ceremony segments: Deep Sea Dreaming / Fire / Tin, all came together in such a beautiful, industrious and simple steel cauldron rising out of water/ cradling fire, that looked timeless and forever beautiful. Beijing tied in the symbolism of the Chinese scroll as a narrative of a journey being made. Scrolls in China tell a person's journey, and thus worked as a perfect theme as the final torchbearer 'journeyed' across the rim of the stadium and with him, a recount of the global torch relay. The unveiling of the once 'non-existent' cauldron that was assembled during the ceremony was even more shocking and spectacular. No one except those in the stadium could have noticed where it was hidden or it being assembled perhaps during Rogge's speech. These two were most spectacular in cauldron "revelation" because both did not 'exist' at the start of the ceremony. They were constructed live during the 4 hour spectacle and only took center stage through lighting and assemblage at the precise moment that was required. I also liked the narrative of the flame touching cauldron, as in the case of Sydney, Athens and Beijing. It gives such a clear visual reference of the small flame growing into a huge fire rising up as it ascends to it's high place way above the spectators. The whole double cauldron plus malfunction in Vancouver made it look like a confusing, haphazardand ambiguous moment. And Torino's fake flame is such a turn off. Sadly I was really looking forward to how they could make one focal flame, burn high above Vancouver city, while lighting it from inside BCP. Didnt happen. However what are your opinions of the way Cauldrons are extinguished? Should they "cease to exist" at least in the context of the closing ceremony? I really liked Sydney again because once Nikki Webster completed her song as the flame extinguished, a fighter jet symbolically took the flame away from homebush bay down Darling Harbour out to the Pacific, and the organizers shut all lighting off the cauldron so it 'ceases to exisit' from the stadium. It was never captured on TV screen again through the rest of the CC. I didn't like how Beijing kept their's lit so brightly like a giant bowl missing the flame, it sort of became a distraction to the scenography of the post flame proceedings. After all the flame is gone and the lights should be turned off the cauldron since it's form only has meaning when it has a function: to hold the flame. Opinions?
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