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Everything posted by stryker

  1. As to why Morocco never put a hat in the ring, Morocco may have burned a bridge or two with the 2015 African Cup of Nations. Morocco was set to host then wanted the tournament postponed due to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa. Morocco compounded the situation by saying they would deny entry to teams from those affected countries. The tournament was then given to Equatorial Guinea. I can't say much for Gaborone other than their sports infrastructure would require some massive upgrades even for a YOGs
  2. Brazzaville hosted a successful 2015 African Games with new facilities that easily could host a YOGs. That's more than Dakar has. They didn't have any health and safety problems then either. South Africa bailed on the CWGs. The IOC isn't going there anytime soon with any games. Nairobi has no plans for a YOG bid. Their focus is on the IAAF World Championships. The YOGs don't need a back-to-back in Asia. They already are a consolation prize anyway. They aren't going to Tokyo as Japan is going to focus on a Sapporo WOGs bid and Nagoya's Asian Games bid.
  3. The feasibility study may not be the same as the candidature file but that doesn't change the fact Brisbane's initial evaluation shows a key number of expensive venues that have no defined legacy. If you're going to build an Olympic Stadium, temporary seating or not, there needs to at least be a tenant identified who would take over the stadium post-Olympics well beforehand. As of right now, Brisbane has none. And how many of the venues were considered as community centres as a legacy? Not viable. If Brisbane is indeed awarded the 2032 SOGs, I predict once the costs start piling up (I don't see how Brisbane does this for under at least $15 billion) then you will see the likes of Sydney included as I mentioned before. As for Brisbane being a front runner, that's more or less because of other quality bids (forget Indonesia, India, or the pie in the sky joint Korea bid). If a bid from either the Rhine-Rhur region of Germany or Madrid is serious then the race gets a lot more interesting. As for the IOC insisting on sustainable legacy, they may do so under New Norm, but the sports federations have not. Case in point, Tokyo wanted to use existing venues for rowing and volleyball yet their respective sports federations twisted the arms of the organizers and the IOC to get new venues with questionable legacies. If it can happen with Tokyo, it can happen with Brisbane.
  4. Does Spain actually have the cash to pull this off though, even as practical as it sounds? I'd almost be tempted to say the proposed Rhine-Rhur bid, if it ever gains traction and public approval, might be a bigger threat to Brisbane.
  5. So another "NoOlympics" group though this one is different given its the political opposition rather than a grassroots movement which ended the likes of Boston, Calgary, and Hamburg. Given that elections aren't set to be held until October, what is the realistic chance the ONP wins a majority then announces they end the bid? I don't know too much about Australian politics, but the phrase "right-leaning" caught my attention given the success of some of these groups in elections elsewhere.
  6. I thought the exact same thing when I saw the 80% figure cited. In addition, how many of the planned venues are simply listed as legacy opportunity. The feasibility study simply called them community centres, not exactly a viable legacy as has already been pointed out. I'm a bit perplexed on the main aquatics venue. I get the idea of using a planned arena but I would assume that arena is the Brisbane Live Arena which seems like it is also marked as the basketball arena unless there's a second arena also being planned? And the stadium issue will continue to be a problem. Brisbane is relying on the much talked about but failed stadium with huge amounts of temporary seating. Now going from 55,000 to 30,000 might be easier than say London's original plan or the Incheon Asian Games Stadium fiasco, but it still leaves the city with a stadium with no permanent tenant. It's a big assumption to assume a team will be ready to move in. A few weeks back I remember an article here dismissing an idea of co-hosting with New Zealand. While I think that's definitely out, it would not surprise me to see Sydney included in the final venue plan especially when the costs start going up for some of these new venues. Brisbane has no need for a rowing or slalom canoe course when Penrith Lakes would work just fine. I could even see the likes of Acer Arena included.
  7. I still think one of, if not the main reason for the creation of YOGs was to use them as a consolation prize for countries that do not stand a remote chance of hosting the real thing. Sure the IOC started out with the likes of Singapore and Nanjing but this was more to give the YOGs a solid footing. Since then they've branched out to the likes of Buenos Aires and now Dakar. Going to Dakar means the IOC can finally say they brought the games to Africa, but it does not look as though Dakar is up to the challenge. I could definitely see the IOC calling on Morocco or perhaps Brazzaville which hosted the 2015 African Games and has the venues needed.
  8. A year and a half later Dakar has still not set up an organizing committee or released any type of budget. Kristy Coventry has made her concerns known. Wonder if this forced venture into Africa is going to turn out for the IOC the same way Durban turned out for the CGF? I think the IOC will wait as long as they can but I would not be surprised to see Dakar stripped of the YOGs in the not too distant future.
  9. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1089075/coastal-rowing-paris-2024-inclusion Coastal rowing? I thought the sports program had already been set in stone. Seems like an unnecessary discipline to me. I imagine World Rowing is twisting the arms of the Paris organizers.
  10. Seems like Brisbane's to lose, but $4.4 billion? Are they serious about hosting a SOGs for this? I am assuming they aren't factoring in costs for transportation improvements. Even so, Brisbane is woefully short on the venue front (I highly doubt an 80,000 or 60,000 seat Olympic Stadium will be temporary). I'll be interested to see what an actual venue plan looks like. Compared to Mebourne, the only thing Brisbane has going for it is the weather but if Coates really pushed for Brisbane, I'll be interested to see how spins this when the actual costs start coming out because these figures are in fantasy land.
  11. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1088854/los-angeles-2028-metro-funding-gap While it's not unusual for public transportation projects to be over-budget, needing "billions of dollars" to complete all nine lines seems like a bit much. I haven't been to LA in years but how much of these upgrades or new lines can LA afford not to have and still be able to shuttle people around for the Olympics? Seems like lines such as the transit line through Sepulveda Pass would be necessary for spectators to reach the Valley Sports cluster.
  12. This. Even with those low numbers, Budapest's airport struggles to handle 11 million annually especially during the tourist season in the summer months where there are almost always significant delays. If they cannot handle tourist season (and it's not a big number) how could they handle the traffic during the Olympics? American Airlines just started seasonal flights to Budapest and the main reason it took so long was difficulty getting slots at the airport.
  13. FIFA is leaning towards the WWC being held every two years now instead of four. I wonder if this announcement had something to do with a Australia and New Zealand deciding to pursue a joint bid. Less preparation time needed perhaps than if either went about this bid alone? Would really like to see a WWC final in either Sydney's rebuilt Olympic Stadium for Eden Park in Auckland.
  14. Jakarta is a non-starter and the IOC will politely tell them not to go ahead with this. I've said before, the IOC needs solid bids with minimal finance for venue and infrastructure construction., not to mention security. That rules out the likes of Indonesia, India, all of South America and Africa. Realistically, the IOC is probably only seriously considering bids from the following regions/countries USA, Australia, Japan, Korea, China, Western Europe, Russia (doping scandal could be an issue here). That's it. I cannot see the IOC taking any chances on going to the developing world after the Rio debacle which was worse than Athens and I don't see them entertaining the likes of Budapest and Belarus in Eastern Europe either. Makes sense why an Australian bid is a big favorite right now.
  15. Hindsight is always 20/20 but looking back on Pyeongchang and all the legacy problems they have had, what if Agenda 2020 and the New Norm had been enacted by the IOC earlier? Would Korea have chosen Seoul as its WOGs candidate? Looking back, Seoul would have most of the indoor arenas in place along with options for a ceremonies stadium and it's not that far from Seoul to Pyeongchang (Pyeongchang would've kept the ski events). It's certainly a smaller distance than Milan to Cortina.
  16. Makes absolutely no sense why they wouldn't use Biarritz. It's already hosted multiple international competitions. Guess the organizers are taking the "Made for Sharing" slogan too literally.
  17. Lillehammer does not have a second 10.000+ arena needed for an Olympics and it would be ridiculous for them to build one. Hakons Hall and the Olympic Amphitheatre could host ice hockey at capacities of 10,500 and 7,000 respectively. Gjovik at a smaller capacity of 5,000 could host curling. Oslo already has an indoor arena, a much newer one at that, in Telenor Arena for figure skating and short track (this was the proposed venue for the respective sports in Oslo's aborted 2022 bid). The WOGs have grown in massive size since 1994. Beyond just venues, Lillehammer does not have the transportation infrastructure that Oslo has to handle a WOGs on its own. Then there's the matter of an Olympic Village. I'd imagine Oslo would be much more in need of public housing in a post-Olympics than Lillehammer would.
  18. A bit of a head scratcher but if Doha is serious about this, then the sheikhs may have finally realized an Olympics isn't going to happen and the best they can hope for is the Asian Games (it would be their second go around as the host). As for the IAAF World Championships, it's a disaster. Crowds are sparse and there are serious concerns about the marathon in the humidity. Of course Qatar is blaming everything on the Saudi-led blockade as they do for everything that doesn't go there way these days.
  19. I'm not convinced Milan-Cortina is the bid that saves the WOGs and gets some traditional winter sports powers back into bidding. For starters, this bid was originally supposed to include Torino because many of the sports venues either need extensive renovations (Cortina sliding track) or have to be built from scratch (ice hockey arenas, speed skating oval). Torino had the venues for ice hockey and speed skating already and they'd only need minor renovations. Unfortunately, the respective city governments couldn't agree so now Milan is going to foot the bill and the price could easily get of hand. In fact, I predict that once cost figures start coming out, you will see a movement to get Torino on board. I find the public support in Milan to be a bit of a head scratcher and that we've only seen one poll that gave any numbers. In terms of seeing whether or not the IOC's reforms could truly work, IMO Stockholm had the better bid, but as has been mentioned, the public support simply was not there and the IOC probably didn't want a nightmare scenario where the games were given back because of an upswell of people against hosting. I wouldn't call Milan-Cortina a great choice, rather it was the best of a bad lot.
  20. I suppose it's a possibility given today's bidding environment and perhaps CNOSF might see co-hosting as a way of keeping costs down rather than a solo French bid with let's say Lyon, Grenoble, and Albertville.
  21. Interesting that this announcement comes right after South Korea says they have finalized legacy plans for the remaining Pyeongchang venues that will in their words "offer year-round activities to support the sports and educational legacy of the most recent Winter Olympic Games." Sounds like they have just kicked the can down the road a little bit and now with a winter YOGs bid in the cards (I can easily see this being awarded at the next IOC session in Tokyo next year) the fate of the sliding track, main ice hockey arena, and the speed skating oval are kept in the short term, from demolition. And Choi's argument that the YOGs will help raise the profile of the country and revitalize the local economy, well, wasn't that the main purpose of hosting the big one in in 2018? Not sure how the YOGs helps in that regard. This is speculation and it might be a stretch, but maybe the IOC made a few phone calls encouraging the Koreans to bid for the YOGs so as not to have another PR disaster about unused venues in a time when the IOC is desperate to get bidders in the first place?
  22. This is why I'd question the long term legacy of a Barcelona WOGs. IMO, it's an interesting idea in theory, but long term, given that Spain is not a winter sports power, would a ski jumping complex, speed skating oval, or a sliding track really get that much use. I'm sure you'd see a small uptick in winter sports participation but I doubt it would be enough to justify the cost and upkeep. I can remember where I saw it last, might have been insidethegames but I remember an article from earlier this year that discussed a tri-nations winter bid between Spain, Andorra, and France. Not many details but I would've assumed that Barcelona would have been the ice cluster, skiing in Andorra, with the sliding and ski jumping events in France. Great way of making use of existing infrastructure, as I mentioned earlier, why go to all that trouble logistically when France could host the entire event on its own. Definitely think long term a SOGs is the way to go for Spain.
  23. I wouldn't say it's overconfidence as it is as much as a lack of options and the need for a stable bid with little in the way of infrastructure spending to try and restore confidence in bidding for the WOGs. Salt Lake mirrors L.A.'s bid for the SOGs. SLC has almost everything in place. Vivint Smart Home Arena is getting a renovation. The commuter and light rail lines are being expanded as is the airport. The oval and ski jump stadium would need only minor touch ups. The only outstanding venues needed are a secondary ice hockey arena, curling arena (I think the Ice Sheet at Ogden or Peaks could host curling with their capacities) and an Olympic Village as I don't know if either the University of Utah or Brigham Young University would need additional on-campus housing. Lillehammer is a no go by itself. It's too small to host on its own. The city would have to partner with Oslo, but I have doubts that you will see a Norway bid anytime soon after the fallout when Oslo withdrew from the 2022 race and the IOC's scathing reaction. Austria with Vienna would be credible. The whole Barcelona-Pyrenees idea seems to crop up every year or so (as it has again) but it never seems to gain any traction and would require a huge amount of investment for the ski and sliding events. Salt Lake City has most of what is already needed for a WOGs and it is a compact bid. It's a win-win.
  24. I would lean more towards the latter with the AOC along with the fact that Melbourne never really seemed to actually show any interest. I have a colleague from Melbourne and I asked him not long ago if there was ever any interest from local officials in a bid and he said no. In terms of the weather issue, while it's a factor, I highly doubt if Australia said Melbourne is our host city, that the IOC wouldn't bend the rules a bit. Australia is too large a media market and with the whole bidding process on shaky ground anyway, I could've seen it happening, but, if Melbourne was never interested it's a moot point. The troubling issue is the push for Brisbane seems like putting a square peg in a round hole. Brisbane needs lots of work in terms of venues and transportation upgrades to make this work and frankly, it would not surprise me the least if the costs got out of hand very quickly. In terms of Bach's comments about electing a Brisbane bid early, well, I take that with a grain of salt at this point, but it fits in line with a targeted approach and a desire for a safe bid considering the potential competition: Korea, Jakarta, Shanghai, India, or Germany. Jakarta and India are out. There's no way the IOC is going to a developing country again anytime soon and I'd also rule out all of Africa and South America as well (that's what the YOG are for). I can't see the IOC going back to China so soon after Beijing 2022 and the joint Korea bid requires so much to fall into place besides the political problems (Pyongyang's infrastructure is archaic) that it's a fantasy. I'd say a Brisbane bid's biggest competitor would be a German bid, the Rhine-Rhur regional bid, but then there's the old referendum issue which hasn't gone well for German bids recently. As I've stated before, I doubt for a while the IOC considers a SOGs from anyone other than the USA, Western Europe, Russia, China, Japan, Australia, or Korea.
  25. Brisbane doesn't need a 60,000 seat stadium either. What sports franchise even needs a stadium in Brisbane? To my knowledge, the Gabba is supposed to get a 100$ million upgrade. The whole reducing a stadium to 15,000-20,000 from 60,000 has yet to be shown to be a viable option. It's a white elephant either way unless there's a permanent tenant.
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