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  1. https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/nbcuniversal-tokyo-olympics-make-goods-advertising-1235028563/

    NBC will definitely be winning the week, but they're not living up to previous expectations. When you have to negotiate make-goods you know someone somewhere effed up. Looking past the bad time zone, I wonder if this is an indication that NBCU's Comcast driven cable prioritization plans have finally come to the end of the road. There aren't enough OTA/cable/satellite viewers to keep them breaking records. I'm curious how this will affect NBC's future strategy. 

  2. I was arguing in the Tokyo news thread that I believe we're definitely post peak Olympics, but they're still novel enough and enough of an attention draw for big media at least currently in 2021 to be worthwhile. Beijing is going to be a challenge not just for NBC but for the IOC as well with audience fragmentation and the novelty of the events are definitely wearing thin. I'm not sure one could argue that the city race for bidding has become a lot less competitive, and there are huge regions of the world namely the continent of Africa, and all of west and south Asia, that have zero chance of hosting the event that is meant to bridge divides and unite the world in sport or whatever flowery language they pump out like a factory. The reality is they're much closer to a patent troll that throws lavish parties for the rich and elite than they are some grand non-profit benefiting all of mankind.

  3. 7 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

    You know, I clearly meant to say IOC when I typed NBC.  I don't think there's much of anything NBC can do here.  They're a partner, just like the host cities.  They have their financial interests, but there's only so much they can do as a rightsholder.  Their job is to cover the event, not to become a part of it.  How they present that coverage to their audience is a separate issue altogether than that of the host cities.

    I didn't pick out IOC from that, I thought you were making a greater point that money is actually the true controlling factor for the IOC, and NBC being the single largest and actually greatest overall source of revenue for the IOC, does actually have a lot of power. If you add to that, that we're almost certainly past peak olympics and with audience fragmentation the way it is, and the revenue strategies of NBCUniversal while it's still a novel spectacle, it doesn't draw the single focus it has in the past. Now a domestic event like SLC, or LA will definitely draw, but Asian time zones don't lead to great coverage, and I think 2022 is going to follow and maybe even pick up speed for the downward trend especially for the winter version.

    I believe were NBC to push for some reforms they might be able to get something done, but I also believe that if they told NBC to take a hike, Disney would probably be right there offering nearly the same amount for rights. I'm of the belief that reform will come when a distinct downward trend in attention emerges and that could happen as early as this winter with Beijing, so I hold a flicker of hope. 

  4. On 7/16/2021 at 1:52 AM, Quaker2001 said:

    At this point, it's all but a statement of fact that the IOC is woefully corrupt.  The problem is that at this point, they are the Olympic Games and there's no way to separate the 2.  And I can totally understand the sentiment from a lot of people that the Olympics need to be dismantled for that reason.  When people bring up there's a history of racism with the IOC and a whole long list of terrible things associated with them, they're not wrong.  So yes, like you I'm torn between wanting to view and experience the Olympics solely as a sporting event, but have trouble separating out all the politics and other unavoidable negatives that have permanently sullied the Olympic movement.  We all want the IOC not to be terrible and for the Olympics not to be a burden on the host city.  But they are.  And I don't know what the solution is going forward, because it'll take a massive reform on the part of the NBC to take the stink off of the monster they have created in the past couple of decades.

    I know, this is entirely their show and there's no way around that. At the same time I turned on Peacock last month to replace Netflix for a while, and I plonked down $65 yesterday to turn on Hulu Live for a month so I'm just patronizing the people I criticize.

    NBC absolutely could push for a lot of reform, and maybe 2022 will start that, but I have no doubts in my mind that the next few weeks are going to be a ratings bonanza for NBC, and winning that papers over a lot of the chattering we do about the real ickiness of the IOC.

  5. https://www.nbcolympics.com/schedule NBC has posted their plan, there's a lot of overnight (Eastern time zone) live coverage that starts around primetime and just goes all night, so it looks pretty good. Of course I think the primetime 8pm show will be the usual chopped up medley that NBC likes to produce, but they're continuing the progression from Rio and they've got all the OBS feeds available live it looks like and Peacock has a lot of stuff on it. 

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  6. 4 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

    There are some of them who probably seriously would love for COVID to be a disaster just to point fingers and blame the IOC.  Rather than rooting for a safe games.

    I don't think it's crazy or out there to think that the IOC is woefully corrupt organization, yet believe the olympic games themselves are something that is fascinating, attractive, and enjoyable to view or support. It's not black and white, the IOC is garbage, the events themselves are pretty cool. Wanting the IOC to not be terrible, at least for me personally doesn't change my feelings for watching pretty ceremonies and experiencing vicarious athletic achievements of Team USA participants. 

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  7. 7 hours ago, Ikarus360 said:

    These are going to be the most soulless olympics ever. And sadly I'll have to pin the blame in Japan as well. While many european countries, including England, have vaccinated most of their population, Japan hasn't even reached 20%. I expected much, much more for a country known for their organization, but I guess this is what happens when you leave the same bunch of old farts in charge of your country for too long. Pretty sure the UK and France would had avoided this catastrophe to be honest.

    Japan has good sentiment and PR banked in the west, so their pandemic handling might just barely break through, but it's pretty commonly known about their vaccination reach. This will certainly be an interesting event. And I'm wondering what the athletic demonstration will look like, will we see records fall? I'm guessing that it will be pretty lackluster, but it might be incredible. 

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  8. On 6/9/2021 at 6:55 AM, @SportNow786542 said:

    To us, as Olympic fans, that sentiment against the Games and even the IOC are truly a new breed of cancel culture. We don't want money and politics to be surrounded everywhere before and during the Olympics, and that's because diversity and tranquility through sport is more independent from both. For those who were 'Anti-Olympic-ers', they've looked back to the Games' darker past, and once more because of what they are doing in an IOC virtual meeting last month, just as you said, they had acted too much in order to ruin its reputation.

    I consider myself a fan of the Olympics, but I wouldn't call any of the criticism "cancel culture." The IOC is a terrible steward for the Olympic movement, they're bad in a way that's only matched by FIFA. Even their "reforms" have been lots of talk, little substance. In the past there have been critical organizations and movements against the events when cities vie to host, I think it's likely that those will only grow. Unless the IOC really sits down and figures out that a lot of people really have beef with them, that can't just be swept away with a shiny video package. 

  9. 22 hours ago, Triplecast said:

    Neat, I've been looking at Peacock on and off they have some ok stuff, maybe I'll have to buy a month or two. 

    20 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

    It's not going to be *the* solution, more like an added bonus on top of what has traditionally been offered.  My understanding at the moment.. NBC OTA will offer up the same coverage we've seen from them in the past.  We know their primetime show will include live events and there will likely be a late night show (a.k.a. "Primetime Plus") and hopefully daytime coverage as well.  It hasn't been confirmed, but expect the cable networks to be in play as well.  And I believe the live event streaming will remain on the NBC Sports app as it has in the past and that you'll need to be an authenticated cable subscriber to access that content.

    Peacock is going to be a separate offering.  If you remember "Gold Zone" from the past few Olympics, that's more along the lines of Peacock will have.  A show at night and in the morning combining live every coverage, interviews, medal ceremonies, and whatever else is going on in Tokyo.  So it will be very different from the usual fare we get from the TV and streaming coverage, but by no means a replacement.

    Bottom line.. if you want anything and everything under the sun, you'll want more of the traditional NBC offerings and are not likely to get that from Peacock.  That may change with future Olympics, but it won't happen here.

    Hope this helps!

    Yes it does, thanks! In my head I was like I can turn on Hulu Live TV for a month and just do that, but if I didn't have to I wasn't going to. Because of the time zones I might be able to get a little peek the first day or two to see if it's worth it. I've been looking at Peacock, and maybe turning off HBO for a month, maybe I'll do a swap. 

  10. I've been Googling around looking for an answer, maybe you guys have seen something. Is Peacock going to be the go to solution this year for NBC's Tokyo content. I can get NBC OTA, but I'm wondering if Peacock is going to be what I want rather than also having to get some OTT on top to get USA/CNBC. Has anyone seen some reporting on how NBC is planning to broadcast? 

  11. On 2/11/2021 at 4:40 AM, AustralianFan said:

    Transport issues for "high number" of media is pressing challenge for Tokyo 2020 organisers

    Credit: Inside The Games

    By Mike Rowbottom

    Wednesday, 10 February 2021

    Finding alternative transportation for members of the "high number of accredited press" not staying at official Tokyo 2020 hotels is a key challenge for organisers of this summer’s re-scheduled Games following the likely ruling that public transport will not be available to them.

    Speaking at today’s virtual briefing for media stakeholders at the Games, which sought to offer clarification on points included in the "playbook" of proposed COVID pandemic-related safety measures released earlier this month, the International Olympic Committee's head of media operations Lucia Montanarella commented:

    "We are really working with Press Operation and Transport in Tokyo on the issue of people who have not booked their accommodation through Tokyo 2020.

    "So we know there is a high number of accredited press who are staying in different locations.

    "We are discussing right now how to cover this gap, meaning that we are fully aware that if access to public transport is not there, we need to have an alternative for these people to move around.

    "One thing that is very important is that for those who are not staying in media hotels it would be recommended that you inform Press Operations of where you are staying because then we will understand how we can provide some additional services.

    "Also the structure of the media transport in Tokyo is such that there are meeting points that are grouping some media hotels.

    "With some luck your accommodation might be quite close to one of these points and you can be fully using the media transport system…

    "The challenge now is finding solutions for some level of transport for people who have not chosen to stay in official media hotels."

    Pierre Ducroy, the Olympic Games operations director, added: "We understand the language in the playbook right now is not giving you the answer you want.

    "We are discussing with the Government regarding access to public transport to make sure that if there is a decision from the Government that this has to be restricted then we want to have alternative plans which we are working through right now with the Tokyo 2020 Organising Committee.

    "We do not have yet a confirmation if some portion of the population may be or may not be allowed to travel on public transport."

    Current instructions to press maintain will be prevented from using public transport "unless given permission".

    Further information on this area is expected in the lead-up to the next edition of updates to the playbook that is due to be publicised in April.

    Asked about who would pay the costs of the COVID-19 testing required by media and other stakeholders before and after their arrival in Japan, Tokyo 2020 Games delivery officer Hide Nakamura responded:

    "Upon entry to Japan, under domestic rules, necessary tests have to be conducted, and if they are necessary the Japanese authorities will look after the cost.

    "Anything additional, that will be something that we will have to consult over.

    "But the test 72-hours before your coming into to Japan - that test is something you will have to cover the cost of yourself."

    The press - like athletes and International Federation and technical officials - have also been banned from visiting tourist areas, shops, restaurant or bars and gyms.

    Asked how journalists not in official media hotels could access food in these circumstances, Nakamura responded that further clarification would be available by April.

    Acknowledging that it was an "important" and "difficult" issue, he added:

    "Our current thinking is that rather than eating in restaurants there will be less contact, so I think it is possible for securing food and eating fast food.

    "But we will sort out the factors with the Government and will have conclusions by April.

    "This is not just applicable to press people, but all stakeholders."

    Explaining the requirement for media members to fill in an activity plan for their first 14 days in Japan, Ducroy said the measure "explains precisely for the needs of your job where you need to go.

    "So it is not a quarantine, it’s simply a way to monitor the activities that you will be doing in that window, that they are strictly focused on your professional duties."

    "The principles of the playbook do not stop at the end of the activity plan.”

    It was confirmed that even if media members arriving in Japan have had COVID-19 vaccinations, the playbook rules "will still be applicable" to them.

    Banned from public transportation? What are the Japanese playing at here? Who holds an international event and then bans international media from public transportation? 

  12. On 2/12/2021 at 8:36 PM, olympicgeek said:

    The games should be cancelled. The IOC is at serious risk of losing its credibility and the support from the TOP programme, local sponsors and broadcasters. What would happen if there is a games-time outbreak in Japan? What if the games are held safely but a few days after the OG finish, some athletes, officials or journalists test positive and face complications with Covid? (as we all know, if the virus sneaks into the respiratory system, you can consider geniuinely screwed) The biggest scandal associated with the IOC and the OG could be igniting, impacting Beijing 2022, and probably Paris 2024.

    We all know it´s all about the cancellation / force majeure clauses within contracts with sponsors and broadcasters. It´s probably the most complicated decision in Sports in decades but the so called "celebration of triumph agains the virus" could turn into a global fifth wave".

    Proposal (the obvious one): Paris 2024, LA 2028, Tokyo 2032

    Host cities and years cannot be swapped out. Apart from the direct revenues the IOC receives (sustaining NOC), you cannot tell the staff at restaurants, or hotels expecting thousands of visitors in Paris that the games will be postponed to 2032 in order to reschedule Tokyo to 2024.

    It would be insane not to award the games in 2032 to Tokyo. In case games are held this Summer, I would also award 2032 games to Tokyo, as in 2021 Tokyo will be hosting an event which goes ahead to secure contracts and longstanding deals.


    You are spot on, although in my opinion the IOC lost it's credibility quite a while ago, support from TOP sponsors and other major stakeholders rests with the popularity of the event itself. The striking thing to me is that the Japanese people are not really down with holding the event this year, and I've seen I think three different reports (possibly from the same poll, I didn't delve too deep) showing that the majority are not supportive of going through with it this year. It has all the makings of a disaster about to unfold simply because of the financial rewards that may flow to certain organizations. Undoubtedly I'll watch though, and I expect a lot of people will, the aftermath is what will be the big story of Tokyo 202(0/1) and if there's any lasting carnage or if they managed to unwisely go forward. 

  13. In my opinion it's a coin toss whether it goes forward or not, I've seen it reported that when surveyed 70% of Japanese people are now against going forward with the event. Doesn't the resulting bad pr from an event that goes forward outweigh the costs? Is the IOC really thinking that even a single athlete death or permanent disability that comes as a result from attending the event won't be a bolded direct line of blame that points right back at them?

  14. 4 hours ago, Quaker2001 said:

    I don't think it's so much that as the fact that younger viewers simply aren't watching traditional TV at the level they used to.  So if the networks want to capture that audience, they need to account for those who are watching alternative outlets, not necessarily because there's a social media aspect to it.  The theory that viewers are put off by Olympic coverage that is tape-delayed or something that happened earlier simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny.  When popular athletes and other Americans do well, people will watch.  That said, given the time difference and the programming schedule for this Olympics, if the choice is between airing something live and events that are 12+ hours old, which direction will they go? 

    They'll probably package half-day old stuff for traditional prime-time filler like they usually have. Their online stuff has been on a positive trend of getting better and more and more usable, although I think their Rio stuff was pretty unreliable. I used to swipe my parents Time Warner log-in to watch some stuff even though they're in Ohio and I'm in LA, I've never subscribed to cable, it's simply overpriced and a waste of money for what you actually get, but since Vue came around I'll turn it on, every so often for certain things like college sports or olympics. I'm almost never home during prime-time during the week, and a lot of weekends, it's still nice to be able to pick and choose what exactly you want to watch and not have to rely on what their producers think will be the best. From what I've seen 2018 looks like their best online product so far, and even though I don't think I count as "younger" anymore lol, I do think they're finding the right balance for the non-cable people. 

  15. 1 hour ago, Nacre said:

    Traffic should not be a problem. People are more likely to use mass transit to get to events like this, and the Olympic fans will simply replace other people in hotels and on roads. No one wants to schedule a business meeting or trade show during the Olympics, schools will be closed for the summer, and many locals will avoid traveling through the city during the games.

    I suppose it's possible. We could have working self-driving cars and stuff by then so it might not be that bad, but in today's LA, the traffic would be a literal nightmare. The other thing is using dorms for housing, USC's students comes back like the third week of August, people move back in 2 weeks to start school the 21st, I don't know about the UC system, they might be on quarters, but that's still a pretty quick turnaround from the games to students. I have no doubts they'll be able to do it, I just think it will be pretty interesting.

  16. On 8/1/2017 at 1:43 AM, Quaker2001 said:

    NBC's coverage has more flaws than I could count, but you know what would be a bigger disaster for the US viewer?  Not having NBC.  There's no guarantee another network wouldn't repeat some of these mistakes and issues that NBC is having.  That's simply the nature of a country of this size where there is so much money in the media rights for the Olympics.  Yes, it can be anti-consumer at times, but 1 thing you can't accuse NBC is promoting the Olympics as if they're the biggest deal in the world.  That's something I don't know that another TV network would be able to do so well.

    This is true. NBC lost most of their other sports rights so they poured a ton of money and attention into The Olympics. With ABC/ESPN  (NBA,) FOX, and CBS (NFL,) anyone else would have put the Olympic sports behind their main sports rights programming. Sure NBC is money grubbing and they make their money from affiliate's rights fees, retrans fees, and advertising, so it would be nice if they viewed broadcasting the Olympics as a public service, but they do offer a product for money, which is kind of the American way lol. 

  17. Mehh, I think we'll need to see what happens in the years between 2020 and 2022 before we even contemplate whether or not the Olympic movement is "saved," traffic will be terrible, but at least the costs will be manageable, and the venues aren't that big of a worry. I love my city, and I like the Olympics, I hope 2028 meets or beats 1984's experience! 

  18. The challenges facing the IOC are only going to compound. I would rather see them disgraced than play into their stupid politics and games, a 2024 failure, and a 2028 capitulation by the USOC is only playing into their game. I'd rather wait until they are desperate then hold a US hosted games on our terms.

  19. I think if LA 2024 can't pass their anti-american bias, we should be more sparing. Sit out 2028 try for 32, 36, or maybe even wait for 40. I think LA has best the city layout for this type of thing. I would hope that any bid would be acceptable by the residents of the city, so looking for more spread out cities, where it wouldn't cause that much disturbance to most people, Houston, Phoenix, Minneapolis is pretty spread out I think. Chicago somewhere in the middle, though SF is really compact and I think it would cause a huge disruption to people, same with NY although I think NY is so big already it could absorb it and people wouldn't be too disturbed by it.

  20. People just like to bitch. In real life most Americans only really care about US Athletes. Maybe they wanna see a couple heartfelt stories about people that overcame some kind of adversity to get there but that can wear thin with a lot of people quickly. I think they can get away with a few Canadian or British athletes that have gotten pretty popular in the mainstream, or people they want to dramatize like le Clos. I think my only real criticism is their lock-in with cable companies, but what should we really expect when Comcast owns them, they're not going to do anything that doesn't help or benefit cable companies.

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