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  1. Certainly that was a factor. Look, it skipped Vancouver (and NYC) and made us the only North American stop. I'm surprised they didn't start in front of Grauman's Chinese Theatre in Hollywood :lol: -- then run up to SF.

    O.K. THAT would have been awesome :lol:

    Are you going to the ceremonies? Frankly, between the Christmas paper wrapped torch and Daly, who IMHO is going beyond protesting and making it an embarrassment on the United States, I am losing interest fast.

    I saw Atlanta's go through Chicago. Maybe I'll just wait hoping Chicago gets '16.

  2. Well, I am very proud of this. Part of the Women's Softball qualifying round is being held in Bloomington, Illinois in June and my sister has been chosen to sing the National Anthem at it. B) She is asked to sing the anthem at a lot of minor league baseball games in Illinois yearly so this a great honor.

    Looks like I will be heading to the midwest in June. B)

  3. Actually, T, they try to cover new ground with each new relay. To spread the 'Olympic spirit,; I suppose.

    Oh, is that why San Francisco got it? I thought it was because of our large Chinese population but of course, now, the torch isn't going through Chinatown. Makes sense I guess, although you and I know that organizing a San Francisco Olympics would be a bigger nightmare than Montreal and Athens combined.

    Apparently Rose Pak (or Pac or however it is you spell her name), the ruler (er, I meant "matriarch" of Chinatown) is not happy these days . . .

  4. well - it is said in the German media, that she isn't boycotting, since she never had plans to be present at the opening ceremony...

    (There had been a personal vendetta between the PR China and Angie last year, since she met the Dalai Lama, when he was in Germany)

    I don't doubt that. The "spin zones" amongst the countries that are hoping for in the future or are hosting soon is becoming quite confusing!

  5. I agree, I don't see the need to continue these huge international relays. It suited Athens, but now it's all so much same old same old. In suppose the sponsors like it, though (well, it will be interesting to see how much they like it if this relay attracts the type of protests and controversy that's now expected).

    One of the few things I like about Athens was that they stopped specifically in cities that were previous hosts. That I have no issue with. But the seeming randomness of this one and going to the top of Everest just seems to me a failed attempt at one-upping Athens.

    I'd like to see, If Chicago gets 2016, just stopping at the cities in Canada, Mexico and the U.S. that have hosted.

    Meanwhile - back to the protest front. In the continuing saga of the carnival of protesters that are fast at work suing the city for not releasing the route and making protest banners while inhaling copious amounts of BC Bud <_< Ben & Jerrys has sent a convoy to San Francisco to join in the protest.

    Unless they are going to be handing out free bowls of Chunky Monkey I am not impressed. <_<

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  6. Sarkozy doesn't know what he wants. He is just following the French public opinion that, at the moment, is in favour of a boycott of the opening ceremony.

    I bet anything that he will attend saying that he is there to represent the majority of the European Union (let's face it, London 2012 and Madrid and Munich bids make it impossible for UK, Germany and Spain to upset the IOC).

    Yep. While it is true that many of the European and North American countries are in bed economically with China, there is also the factor of countries not upsetting the IOC who are up for bids.

    Bush, Harper and Brown will attend, much to the dismay of many but will spin it that they had personal talks with Hu expressing strongly their concern over human rights.

    Be interesting to see what Fukuda does.

    Meanwhile Merkel has announced she is boycotting the opening. Not a good move Angie. <_<

  7. Well Gordon Brown has nailed his colours to the mast today - No British boycott.

    GB will not boycott Olympics - PM

    Very good, Prime Minister. Now do something useful instead of just giving us the same warm words.

    Yep - we're not boycotting either. Altho the Democrats are calling for one and threatening to with hold funding for anyone that is planning on attending:

    U.S. Not Boycotting Games

    Sarkozy just wants to boycott because Paris lost 2012. ;)

  8. I find it interesting you put in Mexico, I would say going to Mexico would be more dangerous then going to South Africa currently.

    Mexico is safe from an economic standpoint, especially after NAFTA. CBC and NBC would pay big bucks to broadcast and the Canadian and U.S. military's would pitch in for security. Really no upheaval down there and it also provides that Spanish flair the Europeans love.

    Think why Mexico City won out over Detroit in '68. And if Chicago doesn't get 2016 I still say Mexico would get them before Canada or the U.S.

  9. I think it is much more interesting what kind of conclusions the IOC has drawn behind close doors...

    e.g.

    I wonder if it will give Olympic Games another time to a dictatorship?

    or if it had learned not to raise expectations, which Olympic Games can't fullfil?

    Of course Rogge would rather swallow his tongue than to say something about that, but what do you think?

    O.K. - I'll take a stab at this.

    What is going to happen is that the IOC will wait another 30 years to go to a "New Frontier." So Chicago or Tokyo will probably be the front runners for 2016 because Rio is deemed too risky, not because of any fault of theirs but because the IOC needs a sure thing to restore some of the luster lost after Bejing and the sure to be lost revenues.

    So the games will go back to Europe a few times - maybe back to Australia once - then to either Toronto/Montreal or Guadalajara/Monterrey and then the IOC will try again at reinventing the world.

    And the tradition continues . . .

  10. It would be great if Olympic Games had such impact, but we can't assume it...

    Imagine China would say now, that Tibet gets autonomy - the western nations would applaude - then the Olympic Games come and would be a marvellous success - in november the chinese army would invade Tibet again - what could we do? Nothing...

    Therefore I think a boycott of the Olympic Games would be counterproductive - the chinese people have to get in contact with western visitors and athletes...

    The change must come from inside China - from the Chinese.

    ^^^^^^ The most intelligent post of this whole thread. CAF - you excite me sometimes. ;)

    Look, many good points made here and I have to plant flowers now so not going to address them all. ;)

    Look - what are the most enduring protests of the modern games? Not the Soviet and U.S. boycotts. It is the the black protests of '68 and the British and their allies marching into Moscow under the Olympic Flag in '80.

    Less is more sometimes. B)

  11. It just seems a shame that the IOC has not learned from Berlin and Moscow.

    Though its funny that Sarajevo is not talked about as oppressive hosts, though the former Yugoslavia was a far better system then what was in the Soviet Union or in modern China.

    Yea it sucks but the more I read these posts in the various Bejing threads the more I am reliving the early '80's. I am sure that people like Baron, Puppy, Roltel @ CAF would agree with me in some form or another.

    Sarajevo is not talked about because it was before the time of the internet. Yea we knew there was problems there but nobody thought it was as bad as it was. And yea when they were rewarded the games there was the thought that the Olympics might help. It was during a time that the Olympics were still somewhat held above a certain standard. Now, they are looked at as bloated pigs.

  12. We all know that awarding the Games is never based on technical merits alone. TO 2008 team knew it when they entered the race for 2008 as did the other candidate cities.

    The Games are in Beijing there is no point in whining about "How great Toronto would have been"...

    The real effects of the Beijing Games will have to be assessed also in the years following the Games. A 1.5-billion society needs time to evolve.

    Although I strongly disapprove some of the Chinese government actions and policies, I think there is something incredibly hypocritical in expecting the Olympic Movement to achieve in China what most of our "all so virtuous" democratic governments haven't even tried (why is France willing to sell pretty much anything to China? why is Bush going to assist to the Games?). Have you heard any of our Western leaders making a clear statement about Tibet?

    Hmmm - a most interesting response.

    Everyone knew, in 2001, that Toronto presented the best overall plan for the games. I myself was rooting for them despite the fact I knew it would hamper any future U.S. bids by several years because it was that good.

    I think most people were secretly laughing at the IOC because they actually believed that they would bring some good to China's human rights problems. But most western nations decided to play along with it and hoped for the best. It was sort of like, "O.K. - China says they will do something about the problem. Let's go with that."

    And now, here we are.

    As for accessing them years later that is true. But to date, they bear an uncanny resemblance to Berlin.

    Time will tell I guess.

    Hypocritically - I agree. Bush thumbing his nose at Congress' threatening to cut off spending for diplomats to go to Bejing is nothing more than insuring that Chicago is shown in a good light for 2016. But that is the way the Olympics work. Period. I am sure that the Tokyo and Rio contingents will also be there heaping praise on the Chinese execution of the games. Those three countries are the ones in contention for 2016 and they are not going to rock the boat.

    And so, the tradition rolls along.

  13. I feel like a kid that has had there favourite toy smashed up by a bully, no matter what happens, Phelps winning 8 events, Canada doing well, or whatever storyline develops during the games, they won't be remembered for that, but for what has happened before and after, Toronto or Paris should be hosting these games in a free and fair country where the world wouldn't be afraid to come, where boycotts would be out of the question, but nope.

    Welcome to how many of us on here felt in 1980-'84.

  14. As someone who lived through the boycotts of Montreal - Seoul and remember them vividly let me assure you - they accomplish zilch. Half the people don't even remember that Montreal and Seoul had boycotts. Moscow and Los Angeles are remembered as some of the most successful Olympics ever, their tit-for-tat boycotts just being a battle between to egomaniacs and their allies and merely a footnote now in Olympic history.

    Shame on any country that chooses to boycott the opening to make some political statement. Most of the athletes will not win a medal and the ceremonies will be the highlight of their years of hard work. That ass Carter deprived our athletes of going to Moscow and it accomplished nothing outside of them receiving a painted medal on the White House lawn. <_<

    Subtlety is the key to making a statement about China's human rights record. A lasting image of Moscow is Britain and other countries marching in to the ceremonies under the Olympic flag and not their own. Something such as that speaks bigger volumes as a protest IMHO then just not showing up.

  15. But I'm starting to think more and more, as the events in China unfold, that whatever London does it'll be a breath of fresh air (both literally and figuratively).

    And that's a shame.

    Isn't it interesting how London is following Bejing as it did Berlin? Once again it appears that London may be the city that will be in the position of having to restore some of the luster to the Olympic movement.

    Yes we will all ooooooing and ahhhhhhhing over the fine preparations made - much as people did in '36 and even now with the Nazi efficiency of creating some of the best venues ever built. But in the end, unless China makes some drastic changes - and quick - these games will go down as a colossall embarrassment to the IOC and the Olympic movement.

  16. In committee yesterday the rehtoric was softened a little on San Francisco's proposed public proclomation - for now:

    Supervisor Carmen Chu amended the original resolution to delete the criticisms of China's record. Instead, her changes included welcoming the Olympic torch as well as two other torch events - the Tibetan Freedom Torch and the Global Human Rights Torch. The resolution passed 2-1, with Supervisor Sean Elsbernd joining Chu. Supervisor Jake McGoldrick voted against it.

    The Tibetan Freedom Torch is also traveling around the world and will stop in San Francisco's United Nations Plaza on April 8. The Global Human Rights Torch event is planned at Union Square on April 5.

    "There are a lot of individuals who have very strong opinions about this in both directions and I do think this legislation really tries to get at the spirit of what people wanted to do, which is to recognize these issues," Chu said after the vote.

    Rest Of The Article

    I don't have an issue with protests along the route. As others have said, the IOC should have known this would have happened in 2001 when they passed over Toronto. If anyone thought that this wasn't going to be an issue and that China was going to actually address their human rights practices, then they were either ignorant or blinded by the thought of all the money being poured into hosting these games.

    Bejing '08 so far is equaling Berlin '36.

    My issue is with in San Francisco's case wanting whomever accepted the torch to make a public proclomation, or in Stupidvisor Daley's words, "make publicly known that the 2008 Summer Games Torch is received with alarm and protest." You would have to know about Chris Daley to understand why - he's a big showman who likes to create problems and drama in the city. <_<

  17. The one where you strain so hard it brings tears to your eyes?? According too the link I posted ealier http://altmedicine.about.com/od/gettingdia.../infrequent.htm, this would indicate bowel inregularity and infrequent bowel passages. Hard stools caused by straining could indicate constipation. You need to pay attention your diet.

    Address any change or abnormality in bowel movement with your physician immediately, as it can be a sign of a serious disorder.

    Not had one like that for ages.

    I must say Magic I am impressed with your knowledge of the bowel movement and the public service you are providing to all GB'ers. :o

  18. I've been in the Ntl Indoor Stadium and the Water Cube, and at least in the Ladies' Rooms I sampled, they definitely have thrones. Usually about 1/2 to 2/3 stalls are squatters, balance are Western. Can't speak to the situation in the Gent's Rooms, though.

    Could you take a picture in the ladies room next time you are there? Just curious if the Bejing logo is stamped into the porcelain on the squatters/thrones. :P

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