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  1. Hear, hear! Again, native history goes back thousands of years. Everyone is all too familiar with Yankee history. California (as well as much of the western third of what is now the US) was a Spanish colony for a few centuries, as well as part of an independent Mexico for a couple of decades... I'd rather they played that up instead of Yankee occupation/annexation. The San Gabriel Mission was founded in 1771, before the 13 British Colonies even declared their independence, and Los Angeles was founded in 1781 (it's even older than Sydney). I'd rather they showcased what makes
  2. I was bored, and I wasn't sure where I would post these... didn't want to start a new thread... I know this is the LA 2028 thread, but I thought I'd pay homage to the '32 Summer Games and do a then-and-now of sorts, being that I was in Long Beach yesterday and took pictures of the Long Beach Marine Stadium, site of the rowing events during the LA 1932 Games, and also the site of the 1968 US Olympic rowing trials. It was the first man-made rowing course ever built in the US, and provided a legacy as the Marine Stadium today is used for all kinds of water leisure activities. Old pho
  3. Yeah, I know it's been done with those cities, but that's the thing: It was the history of *those* cities/nations. I think it would be an opportunity for Los Angeles to tell its own history, something that many seem to think Los Angeles lacks, even though people have been living here for thousands of years. Oh MAN, I hope not. I'm really sick of American nationalism and jingoism. Remember the pickup trucks and cheerleaders at Atlanta's opening ceremony?!? Such an embarrassment! The Tongva are the people that the Spanish referred to as the Gabriele├▒os, the n
  4. I thought Muhammad Ali was a great person to light the cauldron for 1996. He was a medal-winning athlete and anti-war and civil rights activist. Perfect for Atlanta '96.
  5. In case someone doesn't know what a Tongva hut looks like: The Tongva were a semi-nomadic people and hunter gatherers; they moved when the seasons changed, and would leave their huts abandoned, but would return to the same settlements/villages when it was the right season. During the hot summer months, they moved to the mountains/higher elevations where it was cooler and closer to natural water sources, and in the winter they went into the Basin and Valleys, which was quite fertile. The LA Basin is a huge floodplain; flooding was regular, which created fertile soil---any area that
  6. Instead of the played-out ethnocentric narrative of Gringo settlers moving west from the East Coast crap, I'm hoping for a true LA opening ceremony with an LA story, one that begins with the indigenous/native Tongva, and maybe even a very large Tongva hut, and the use of native cosmology and symbolism... and then the arrival of the settlers, first the Spanish and Mexican, and then later the other Europeans and white Americans, Chinese railroad builders, and then everyone else, Okies, Arkies, African-Americans, South Asians, Samoans, Persians, etc., culminating into the multi-cultural semi-toss
  7. I don't see how it's a big waste, being that it's still cheaper than building a permanent aquatics center? Then why hold swimming at all? Hehe in fact, why hold the Olympics at all? They're a big waste. You don't have to maintain a temporary pool after its use is done and is disassembled, obviously. My comment about pool maintenance was in regards to a permanent facility; once its built, and you want to continue using it as a pool, it requires a lot of maintenance, so that's an added cost of building a permanent aquatics center. I come from the land of the swimming
  8. My understanding was that swimming, synch. swimming and diving are to be held at this temporary pool in Dedeaux Field (water polo is gonna be at a temporary pool at the Long Beach cluster, I think). I'm sure that all of the issues you mentioned have been taken into account, I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing. I assume they'll just use taller-walled tubs. Again, I'm sure this will be taken into account. This is the Olympics after all, I doubt they'll use cheap rickety-type construction.
  9. For the same reason that Uytengsu can't be used for the swimming venue---no room to build expanded viewing stands for spectators. What is now called the John Argue Swim Stadium was built specifically for the 1932 Olympics, and was used until well into the 1990s. Then in the late 90s until the early 2000-aughts, it closed and was abandoned for a bit, and sadly become a canvas for taggers, as I recall. But then it was restored and reopened in 2004 and is a big asset to the community; my partner's nephew had some high school swim meets there. But, as part of the refurbishment, wha
  10. ??? On the contrary, it's the cheapest route than building an actual permanent pool, with all the concrete and plumbing and cost and hassle of maintaining a pool (pumps, filters, cleaning, etc... pools are a pain in the ass). For the 2004 US Olympic Swim Trials which were held in Long Beach, CA, they used a temporary pool that was easily assembled and easily disassembled. And it worked fine. Incidentally, where this pool was located is exactly the same site of the 2028 Long Beach cluster of venues: Images from myrthapools.com As you can see from the overh
  11. The 1984 swimming venue (now called Uytengsu Aquatics Center) can't be used again for an Olympics. The seating can't be expanded to accommodate spectators because of a building that has been built adjacent to the pool since the 1984 Games. It can be clearly seen in the rendering below (clicking on the image will expand it). A temporary pool for the competition built adjacent to Uytengsu to be used as a warmup pool is a good option, I think.
  12. ^^^^A little bit of both, I think. But for some reason, I feel I didn't start seeing the pastel colors in the 1980s until after the 1984 Olympics. Things were still kind of earth tone 1970s before the Games, it seems to me.
  13. I understand the "Festive," but not the "Federalism." From what I've read, Deborah Sussman purposely did NOT want the typical red, white and blue color scheme, they purposely steered clear from that, which in my opinion was a good choice. They wanted to promote Los Angeles as an international city on the Pacific rim, so they chose those bold pastels---magenta, aqua, vermilion, and chrome yellow to liven things up, plus it was very eye-catching on TV.
  14. Well, I think the IOC long ago should have stopped "forcing" cities to create brand new venues just to appease them (by "forcing," I mean letting it seem as if the only way to win an Olympic bid would be to build brand new venues). Agenda 2020 was a step in the right direction, I think. I guess we kinda are back to square one, in that only cities that already have the facilities should really only bid for and/or host the Olympics. In fact, when Melbourne hosted the 1956 Summer Olympics, the only brand new venue built was the swimming stadium (incidentally the first indoor pool used at a
  15. LA '84 actually was pretty revolutionary in how it was funded, because no other city did it that way before---by private sponsorship, increased use of corporate sponsors, and selling television rights ($225 million from ABC back then, well in advance of the Games). And, probably a minor thing, but the LA '84 Olympics was the Olympics that established the "Look of the Games" with its color scheme and temporary structures at venues. I also read somewhere that the LA '84 Olympics were the first to extensively use wayfinding signage with the graphic symbols for the different sports. They
  16. Here's a more current photo. The cauldron definitely works. Here it is lit up pretty recently (July 26, 2017) during the Manchester City/Real Madrid soccer match, which drew 93,098 people, the largest crowd to ever see a soccer match at the Coliseum. And also recently, the scoreboard screens that used to sit on top of the peristyle have been removed and replaced with ones above the stands, further away from the peristyle, as you can also see in the picture. pbstwimg.com
  17. The new stadium in Inglewood is gonna be awesome. The model you see in this video is impressive in my opinion. I can't wait for this thing to be built.
  18. It'd be nicer if/when the California legislature finally passes the bill to abolish DST, and then the sun would set a little after 7pm instead of a little after 8pm in LA in late July. But then I guess that would mean the east coast would be 4 hours ahead, and our opening ceremonies would have to start at 4pm. It should start at 6pm California time.
  19. I thought that was the plan. My understanding with the 2-stadium opening ceremony was that they'll do a cauldron lighting at the new NFL stadium where the main ceremonies will be, and somehow light the one at the Coliseum, and then from there I assume since the main closing ceremony will be at the Coliseum, the flame there would be the one they douse. But I could be wrong.
  20. You should, it's really good! The ice cream shop is called Saffron & Rose, and it's at 1387 Westwood Boulevard in LA. I highly recommend it!
  21. Being that LA's pretty much gotten the bid to host 2028 and there's really no more debating about it (ergo nothing else really to talk about), for shits and giggles, I thought I'd post pictures of the USC Village which just opened, and will be the Media Village for the Summer Olympics in 2028. I've also included some pics of buildings on the USC campus itself. It was designed in an ersatz Gothic style, which in my opinion has no historical context to Los Angeles or southern California whatsoever. USC's older buildings are done in an Italian Romanesque style; though there's no real histo
  22. OK... My understanding was always that though there were 6 bid cites for 1924, Paris, LA and Amsterdam among them (Barcelona too, and Rome and Budapest), gran-grandpere wanted them in Paris, in his mind, to make up for the 1900 debacle, plus he wanted to see them in Paris once more before he retired... so that was that, with the agreement that Amsterdam would host 1928, which pissed LA off, but LA got 1932 anyway.
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