Posts posted by Frenchy
Saw this article the other day (in French):
Basically, the French NOC (CNOSF) and the sports minister, Valérie Fourneyron, aren't speaking to each other any more.
It's all down to public funding which is drying up and the setting up of a national sports council.
Last July Denis Masseglia, head of the CNOSF, actually walked out of two meeting with the sports minister.
Doesn't really bode well for the future.
Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta said late Sunday that the country could be "serious candidates" for 2024 with either Milan or Rome.
I’m sure Italy will organize an extraordinary SOG in 2024 and wish them all the best.
I look forward to travelling to Rome for the games.
Woa! Lads! Lads!
Keep it cool!
Keep it cool!
Paris 2024 is really not worth fighting over
Peace and Love,
Peace and Love.......
Well I am in the Netherlands, so I don't think I am so far from France (300 km) that I can't judge the situation. I watch French television, I read French newspaper and I still have a lot of friends in France. And I am in France twice a month.
But to give an example. My specialty is astronautics: no perspective in France with the downscaling of the space sector. And when I moved from France to the Netherlands, my salary went up 100%. If I had been specialized in carving stones in gothic cathedrals or restoring XVIIIth century paintings or writing history books about French Occupation by Germany I think i would have had a better time finding work in France. So yes museum country.
Gothic cathedrals and 18th century paintings are precisely what bring visitors to France in droves. Not astronautics. Anyway, last time I looked Kourou was in France not Holland.
May I suggest you try reading this book. It's a bit dated but still topical:
I’ll stop there because we both run the risk of seriously going off topic…..
That's probably one of the most perspicacious vision I've read of the current situation of Paris.
Not forgetting, as I said earlier, the present political, economic and social climate.
Agree with everything you say. Except for one thing; London showed a great young and generational impetus that showed them too were passionate. If France started to trust young people more instead of pre-retired technocrats wanting to remain with each other, lots of progress would be made...
Ah. The old « énarchie » debate!
Bit of a chestnut, non?
Then again, you may be right.
But it’s not what lost us the 2012 bid.
If you have time to spare (or waste! ) you might want to read the following books:
I agree with your other post elsewhere, this ‘Paris 2024’ debate is slowly turning into an obsession for some.....
It's all water under the bridge.
I, like other Parisians, have moved on.....
You rascal baron!
You edited your poste and thought I hadn't seen you.
Accent aigüe, not grave.
Touché (not touchè)
I can serve if France needs me.
Thanks for the offer baron!
Don't call us.
We'll call you!
It's sad to see that France thinks of itself like this
Surely an Olympics could do you a power of good, to show the world & yourselves that France is still relevant & modern, to give France a lift.
To be fair, only a minority like hektor, who doesn't live here btw, think of France as he does.
The rest of us are quite proud of our country in spite of some of her failings.
As for doing good, I agree that organising a SOG would have been quite uplifting.
That's precisely why we bid in 2005 for 2012.
Unfortunately the ioc preferred playing politics and Russian roulette rather than giving the games to the only city who was genuinely passionate about its bid.
That was then.
This is now.
Today everyone here believes that the present political, economic and social climate isn't conducive to a successful bid for 2024.
The point with which I don't agree, is that France does not need the Games. France is an old country, a gloomy country, and is slowly turning into a kind of museum-country. I think that hosting the Games would inject a well-needed dose of dynamism and optimism to Paris and to the country.
You sound like Donald Rumsfeld and his dim-witted president back in 2003!! (remember “the French don’t have a word for entrepreneur” ? )
TGV, la carte à puce (smart card), ITER. . . .
Hardly the achievements of a museum country!
As for dynamism EDF, Vivendi, Orange etc are hoovering up utility companies the world over.
I fail to see, like most of my countrymen, what a SOG would add in the immediate future.
Even without indicating it's even thinking of bidding, Paris is the common city on just about everyone's list of early favourites. In the atmosphere after the vote yesterday, it definitely is one city that just has to say Oui and it would be installed to frontrunner status in many people's minds.
Every French member on this board though says it's not under consideration or has much popular support to go. We all probably hope they'll go for it, but I can see why they might be a bit gun-shy, and it's up to them to go for it or not.
If there’s one lesson we’ve learnt from previous experience it’s that bidding for a SOG is a filthy, dirty and brutal affair (2005 is the perfect example) with the prize, usually but not always, going to the filthiest, dirtiest and most brutal bidder.
Quite frankly it’s a bother we can well do without.
Besides, holding a SOG means three things:
- locking down a city for two months and turning it into a target for every loony terrorist on the globe
- handing the keys to a group of men and women, the ioc, who haven’t been the friendliest of people to us (Rogge gave an interview back in September 2005 to l’Equipe Magazine in which he basically spat in the eye of the French bidding team. We’re still reeling from that interview today….)
- and spending an inordinate amount of money for the privilege, money that will never be recouped whatever some might say.
It’s a ‘privilege’ we can well do without in the present climate.
There are also the domestic issues. François Hollande was elected with the smallest of majorities in 2012 and his only solutions to France’s economic woes were to increase taxes. So much so that after twelve months in office he has reached a level of unpopularity which it took Sarkozy four years to reach previously! With local and mayoral elections looming in 2014 the last thing the French elector wants is new spending. Any candidate who so much as mentions the word ‘Olympics’ runs the real risk of being voted out of office!
Neither is being a frontrunner or a favourite necessarily the cosy trip it’s made out to be as we well know. When you’re a favourite you seem to be spending more time fending off attacks than trying to put your message through to the ioc. Again, why bother?
It’s not like we really needed the games after all. We might be happy to host the games, even be proud to host them but don’t really need them. Paris is already the most visited city in the world. It’s the capital of style and glamour. It’s where every woman wants to be taken to! It’s the city that put the ‘A’ in A-list! So it’s not like we needed to be on the map. We’re already there!
If you add to the equation the fact that France already hosts a bevy of internationally known sporting events (TDF, Roland-Garros, 24h du Mans, le Vendée Globe, la Route du Rhum, Grand Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, etc, not forgetting our role in football, rugby, handball….) the argument for going through the mangle of bidding then hosting an event such as the SOG really starts to lose its attraction.
Then again, I may be completely wrong and Paris will be bidding for 2024!!
"Getting more than 15 votes from Northern Europe and France, with Paris planning to bid for the 2024 Olympic Games, was huge for us," said a senior Tokyo bid committee member.
So Paris wants to bid for 2024?
That's a new for me.
Nothing on the grapevine here.
BTW félicitations to Tokyo.
Nice to see they managed to get the games without having to rely on an organised smear campaign......
Paris is the capitol of the world, not a single man dies without ever seeing Paris. For the Olympics to not go there is a crime on all cities.
Why, thank you kind sir!
One of the main reasons the 2012 bid failed was due to the fact that Paris played it too safe.
..they have learned their lesson.
It's not just Rome though, there's strong reason to suspect we'll get a bunch of Euro bidders, including Paris, if Madrid misses out.
I think you're jumping the gun a little too quickly there SR. As I said elsewhere there's little or no chance that Paris will be bidding for 2024 even if Tokyo does get the nod....again. The reasons are manifold and too numerous to list, mainly economics and political. Also the mood just isn't there any more....
Seems that in spite of the success of the games, the merchandise isn't selling too well:
If Toulouse were to bid, then they would be a tough competitor.
There will be no WOG in France until there's been a SOG in Paris.
Which - for the moment - is no time soon......
Les JOJ sont une belle arnaque, ça n'intéresse personne, pas étonnant que le CIO ne trouve personne, il n'y aucune intérêt la dedans...
Killy est un homme du passé, il a mené Albertville à la victoire, on le disait être le Monsieur JO d'hiver, qu'on l'écoute à ce niveau là, résultat 7 votes... A croire qu'il a dit de ne pas voter pour la France... pourtant je pense qu'en terme de JO d'hiver on partait avec bien plus de facilité que les Coréens... Guy Drut est aussi un homme du passé, entaché d'un scandale au CIO, bref on ferait mieux de le remplacer...
Le CIO à force de mépriser les pays qui ont fait sa gloire (USA, France...) ils finiront par se faire manger pas des évènements "privés" qui deviennent de plus en plus populaire et dépasse les JO. L'exemple parfait est les Xgames aux USA qui sont entrain de devenir bien plus populaire et surtout bien plus rentable que les JO... Je ne souhaite qu'une chose que certain pays fort quittent le CIO et que les JO deviennent un évènement de seconde zone... Il n'y a qu'un seul candidat pour 2020 bizarre...
Totalement d'accord avec tout ce que tu dis Tulsa.
Rien à redire.
Désolé pour Annecy mais j'ai également le sentiment que sa perte était courue d'avance.....
C'est pas avec Bertrand Delanoé que Paris pourra gagner... Veulent ils seulement tenter l'aventure?
BD a été relativement claire, il n'a nullement l'intention de présider ou diriger une nouvelle candidature pour Paris (maintenant que ses ambitions présidentielles sont passées à la trappe!!).
Il laissera ce privilège à d'autres.
Tout est dit les JO sont à vendre.
C'est maintenant que tu t'en aperçois?
Quand j'ai vu la dégueulasserie qu'a été la course pour 2012, je m'en suis tout de suite rendu compte!
2018 Pyeongchang (Acheté par Samsung et le gouvernement Coréen...)
A leur décharge, cela faisait quand même 3 fois qu'ils se présentaient.
Tant mieux pour eux et tant pis pour nous.....
Only 3 and half hours to wait
Maintenant, à nous Paris 2020/24!
John Coates is not a fan of Delhi...
Well there goes any hope for Delhi 2020...2024...2028 etc etc
We ARE talking about John "$35,000" Coates?
Hardly a reference....
"Stay or Go?"
Obvious choice. No real surprise they won, even though Turkey pushed them very close.
This incident probably didn't help Turkey's case.....
in Paris 2024 Summer Games
After having lost the Finnish vote, we are now going to lose the Japanese one!!